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So Duck Dynasty eh?

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I just got around to reading the comments this guy made. Is anyone really surprised that a network would distance itself from him?

 

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    Wait what? What's going on with DD? Anyone have an article?
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    AprilH81 said:
    He just said he doesn't agree with the lifestyle...  I don't get what is so horrible about that.  Does everyone agree?  No, but from what I've read he didn't say that gays were evil horrible people, just that he doesn't agree with the lifestyle  because of his faith.


    Yeah, he's entitled to his opinion, just like A&E is also entitled to suspend him from filming. Also, did you read his comments that strongly suggested black people were happy under Jim Crow?  WTF?

    Here's an article @southernbelle0915:

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-gays-sin-black-people-civil-rights-20131218,0,4998406.story

     

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    He's entitled to his opinion, but I think he needs to think of the greater impact of publicly voicing them.
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    AprilH81 said:
    He just said he doesn't agree with the lifestyle...  I don't get what is so horrible about that.  Does everyone agree?  No, but from what I've read he didn't say that gays were evil horrible people, just that he doesn't agree with the lifestyle  because of his faith.



    Actually he said that being gay was the equivalent of bestiality and that he believed Jim Crow laws should be reinstated. That's pretty damn horrible as far as I'm concerned. Am I shocked he believes those things? No. Does he deserve backlash for it? Hell yeah.
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    Effing double post.
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    RebeccaB88 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    He just said he doesn't agree with the lifestyle...  I don't get what is so horrible about that.  Does everyone agree?  No, but from what I've read he didn't say that gays were evil horrible people, just that he doesn't agree with the lifestyle  because of his faith.



    Actually he said that being gay was the equivalent of bestiality and that he believed Jim Crow laws should be reinstated. That's pretty damn horrible as far as I'm concerned. Am I shocked he believes those things? No. Does he deserve backlash for it? Hell yeah.
    No this is what he said:

    Asked what, in his mind, is sinful, Robertson replied: "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

    He did not say they were equivalent he said they were both sins. Christianity believes sin is anything from lying to killing. According to his faith these are all sins. All sins are equal in the eyes of God according to the Bible.

    I am supporter of equal rights and I'm not seeing any offense in someone following or reiterating the beliefs of their faith.
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    aefitz29 said:

    RebeccaB88 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    He just said he doesn't agree with the lifestyle...  I don't get what is so horrible about that.  Does everyone agree?  No, but from what I've read he didn't say that gays were evil horrible people, just that he doesn't agree with the lifestyle  because of his faith.



    Actually he said that being gay was the equivalent of bestiality and that he believed Jim Crow laws should be reinstated. That's pretty damn horrible as far as I'm concerned. Am I shocked he believes those things? No. Does he deserve backlash for it? Hell yeah.
    No this is what he said:

    Asked what, in his mind, is sinful, Robertson replied: "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

    He did not say they were equivalent he said they were both sins. Christianity believes sin is anything from lying to killing. According to his faith these are all sins. All sins are equal in the eyes of God according to the Bible.

    I am supporter of equal rights and I'm not seeing any offense in someone following or reiterating the beliefs of their faith.

    Thanks for the explanation, but I read multiple articles and I am fully aware of what he said. I reiterated what those articles quoted him as saying. I stand by what I said. And being gay isn't a chosen behavior, it's inborn. He has the right to believe what he wants and speak out on it, but when what you say is cruel and inflammatory, you have to be ready to own that and accept whatever consequences your words bring. And, as a Christian myself, I find his words disturbing.
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    aefitz29 said:

    RebeccaB88 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    He just said he doesn't agree with the lifestyle...  I don't get what is so horrible about that.  Does everyone agree?  No, but from what I've read he didn't say that gays were evil horrible people, just that he doesn't agree with the lifestyle  because of his faith.



    Actually he said that being gay was the equivalent of bestiality and that he believed Jim Crow laws should be reinstated. That's pretty damn horrible as far as I'm concerned. Am I shocked he believes those things? No. Does he deserve backlash for it? Hell yeah.
    No this is what he said:

    Asked what, in his mind, is sinful, Robertson replied: "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

    He did not say they were equivalent he said they were both sins. Christianity believes sin is anything from lying to killing. According to his faith these are all sins. All sins are equal in the eyes of God according to the Bible.

    I am supporter of equal rights and I'm not seeing any offense in someone following or reiterating the beliefs of their faith.

    Thanks for the explanation, but I read multiple articles and I am fully aware of what he said. I reiterated what those articles quoted him as saying. I stand by what I said. And being gay isn't a chosen behavior, it's inborn. He has the right to believe what he wants and speak out on it, but when what you say is cruel and inflammatory, you have to be ready to own that and accept whatever consequences your words bring. And, as a Christian myself, I find his words disturbing.
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    I'm a conservative Christian and I thought what he said was crass, ignorant and offensive. However, I also think A&E is being pretty discriminatory against his own religious beliefs by letting him go.
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    RebeccaB88 said:
    aefitz29 said:

    RebeccaB88 said:
    AprilH81 said:
    He just said he doesn't agree with the lifestyle...  I don't get what is so horrible about that.  Does everyone agree?  No, but from what I've read he didn't say that gays were evil horrible people, just that he doesn't agree with the lifestyle  because of his faith.



    Actually he said that being gay was the equivalent of bestiality and that he believed Jim Crow laws should be reinstated. That's pretty damn horrible as far as I'm concerned. Am I shocked he believes those things? No. Does he deserve backlash for it? Hell yeah.
    No this is what he said:

    Asked what, in his mind, is sinful, Robertson replied: "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."

    He did not say they were equivalent he said they were both sins. Christianity believes sin is anything from lying to killing. According to his faith these are all sins. All sins are equal in the eyes of God according to the Bible.

    I am supporter of equal rights and I'm not seeing any offense in someone following or reiterating the beliefs of their faith.

    Thanks for the explanation, but I read multiple articles and I am fully aware of what he said. I reiterated what those articles quoted him as saying. I stand by what I said. And being gay isn't a chosen behavior, it's inborn. He has the right to believe what he wants and speak out on it, but when what you say is cruel and inflammatory, you have to be ready to own that and accept whatever consequences your words bring. And, as a Christian myself, I find his words disturbing.

    You stated:

    Actually he said that being gay was the equivalent of bestiality and that he believed Jim Crow laws should be reinstated.

    Which is not what he is quoted as stating. He said being gay was a sin and that bestiality is also a sin and so is cheating on your wife and sleeping around. That is a part of his religion. You gave a perspective on what you are inferring in his words not the facts of what he actually stated.

    The information he stated about the Jim Crow laws I believe is fully ridiculous. He should definitely have been suspended because the channel does not share or back his beliefs. I fully agree that they have the right to pull anyone who does not share their views.

    Furthermore I am well aware of where being gay stems from and am a full supporter of equal rights as I said previously. I think condemning people for repeating their religious beliefs and citing the Bible is completely wrong. It's a Christian perspective and that is his faith and this is America, he can quote the Bible all he wants to.

    According to the bible: lying is equivalent to murdering someone. Is that a crass statement? No. It's just what it says and what the faith believes. They are both sins. My opinion is that murdering someone is worse than a lie but that's not what Christianity perceives as ALL sins are equal in the eyes of God.

    Note: I think Christians have the same right to speak their beliefs as I have to support equal human rights. The racist comments were far more ridiculous to me than him stating what is sinful when someone asks him specifically 'What do you think is sinful?'
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    jdluvr06 said:
    I'm pretty liberal person but I do think A&E is wrong for suspending him. That can be viewed as religious discrimination. Also I'm sick of the double standard in the media. Bill Maher says terrible things about Christians all the time and no one bats an eye but everytime someone says something bad about gays, black people, ect their is a huge backlash. When are all hateful comments going to be treated equally? Also I talked about this with my best friend and his boyfriend yesterday when the news first broke and neither of them are offended and they don't feel that he was equating homosexuality to beastiality, other than they are both considered sins by the Christian Bible. Asking my friend's boyfriend said that Phil was his favorite on the show and they will continue to watch Duck Dynasty but will no longer watch any other shows on A&E.
    The bolded especially.  This also goes for conservative and liberal beliefs...
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    A&E is a private company and can suspend him if they want to, so its not discrimination.. He flat out said they sin because they are gay,i can see why the company would be worried about that. I was horrified by the racist comments he made moreso than the gay comment.


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    jdluvr06 said:
    I'm pretty liberal person but I do think A&E is wrong for suspending him. That can be viewed as religious discrimination. Also I'm sick of the double standard in the media. Bill Maher says terrible things about Christians all the time and no one bats an eye but everytime someone says something bad about gays, black people, ect their is a huge backlash. When are all hateful comments going to be treated equally? Also I talked about this with my best friend and his boyfriend yesterday when the news first broke and neither of them are offended and they don't feel that he was equating homosexuality to beastiality, other than they are both considered sins by the Christian Bible. Asking my friend's boyfriend said that Phil was his favorite on the show and they will continue to watch Duck Dynasty but will no longer watch any other shows on A&E.
    Bill Maher gets paid to snark on all religions, not just Christians. Just like Ann Coulter gets paid to snark on liberals. Also, religious discrimination would be if they refused to hire him based on his faith alone, not based on a comment he said about an oppressed group in society.

    I understand what a lot of people are saying when they defend him, but I also see A&E's side in it. If another channel wants to pick it up, then I wouldn't see the big deal. 


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    You know from a business end A&E is being rather dumb about this. Duck Dynasty is their cash cow. That is a huge deal for a station that doesn't have many shows that are big hits. If the Duck Dynasty clan decides to walk away and go to a different network A&E's profit margin could take a huge hit.
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    Musikalbunni said:
     "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to death your right to say it."

    I am for equality. I am as liberal as it gets. But I also believe strongly in Freedom of Speech. Even if your freedom of speech makes my ears bleed.... 

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    jdluvr06 said:
    You know from a business end A&E is being rather dumb about this. Duck Dynasty is their cash cow. That is a huge deal for a station that doesn't have many shows that are big hits. If the Duck Dynasty clan decides to walk away and go to a different network A&E's profit margin could take a huge hit.
    I was thinking about that too. I highly doubt they will let them walk simply looking at it from a financial aspect. I'm sure something will be compromised. 


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    I don't think A&E dropped the guillotine because of his views. I'd double down on my 401K that their lawyers are not that stupid. It's about money. Think about ratings when one of their stars says/does something offensive/stupid. Charlie Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Tom Cruise, etc... Ratings (aka MONEY) take a nose dive. A&E is in the business of making money. If they think they're going to lose money because of an employee, they're going to get out of the contract. Any smart business person would do that regardless of the circumstances.

    On free speech: One man's life-changing experience of being "born again" and the position he decided to take on certain issues because of it doesn't bother me. That's free speech. My views are polar opposite from his and I find his statement repulsive and offensive, but I still believe in his right to say it.

    IMO, he makes himself sound an ignorant asshole who perpetuates a perception about Jesus lovers (such as myself) that we're all bigoted, racist and/or homophobic. 
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    jdluvr06 said:
    You know from a business end A&E is being rather dumb about this. Duck Dynasty is their cash cow. That is a huge deal for a station that doesn't have many shows that are big hits. If the Duck Dynasty clan decides to walk away and go to a different network A&E's profit margin could take a huge hit.
    I was thinking about that too. I highly doubt they will let them walk simply looking at it from a financial aspect. I'm sure something will be compromised. 
    I think A&E execs are making fools of everyone. My co-worker just showed me an article from August that says Phil was going to start stepping away from the show in the next season because he is ready to retire.
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    All the poster who are "big fans of free speech" seem to have no idea what it is. He is free to say whatever he wants, and he did. There is no free speech violation here.

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    I don’t watch the show but my understanding is that faith is a major part of this family’s life. So I’m not sure why people are so surprised that he would state a conservative position on this issue. With that said, his comments about preferring lady-parts were absolutely crass. The racist (yes, they were racist) things he said were deplorable. Certainly there should be consequences to those remarks.

    What really irritated me was the GLAAD rep opining on what “true Christians” believe.

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    I agree that people calling it a freedom of speech issue are mistaken, because hasn't been put in jail and the government hasn't taken any action against him. However, I think you could argue that A&E is being discriminatory against his religious beliefs. Firing someone because you disagree with their religious convictions? Sounds pretty discriminatory.
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    thelastdreamer said:
    I agree that people calling it a freedom of speech issue are mistaken, because hasn't been put in jail and the government hasn't taken any action against him. However, I think you could argue that A&E is being discriminatory against his religious beliefs. Firing someone because you disagree with their religious convictions? Sounds pretty discriminatory.

    I did not realize racism is a religion now. I don't think that's protected in employment law.

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    I feel the need to chime in because this has been ALL OVER FB for the whole day.  

    I read the article, and as a Christian and supporter of equal rights for everyone, I was disgusted at a lot of what he said.  I was almost equally disgusted at how everyone that happens to agree with him was claiming that A&E was unlawful in their decision to suspend him from their show.

    The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech - meaning that the government cannot punish someone for speaking their opinion.  If Phil isn't being arrested or fined by the government for saying those things, the first amendment is not being violated at all.  A&E is a private company that can choose who they employ based on how they represent the network.  If they don't agree with how someone represents the network, they can fire or suspend that person legally.

    I also wonder if the people applauding him for saying something "unpopular" or "not politically correct" because he believes it would also applaud any of the activists for gay rights 20 years ago before marriage equality was more widely accepted.
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    Phil Quotes from GQ article
    “I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”


    “We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

    Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2o3dOYgwR

    I find him to be despicable. And I don't understand people defending him and his hatred.

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    I think the bottom line is that, yes, he has a right to say what he wants. But A&E have a right also to portray their brand they way they want. They didn't fire him because of what he believes, they fired him because they believe his statements could hurt them. I can say what I want, for sure, but if I walk into my bosses office and call him a "f@g" or a cuntmonkey...you bet your ass I would be fired...
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