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Urgent NWR etiquette emergency...WWYD?

I'm scheduled to have dinner tomorrow (Tuesday) night with an old friend ("John")  from high school. He's a commercial airline pilot and is only in town a few days every few months. John texted me tonight to let me know that he's bringing another old mutual friend with him to dinner. John didn't ask if I wanted to see this person. I do NOT want to see him. I am friends with his soon-to-be-ex-wife as well and she filed for divorce from him in November due to his mental and physical abuse of both her and their kids, and the fact that he's a manipulative,controlling, misogynistic, selfish asshole. I'm almost certain John doesn't know the truth about the divorce and that's why he thinks it'll be good to hang out 'just like old times'. I've also been providing the STBXW with screenshots of her husband's Facebook rants trashing her on his page to anyone who will listen so she can give them to her attorney to use in the court case. I don't want to lose my ability to do that, and I don't have a friendship to protect anymore with the jackass. (I'm laying real low on FB so I don't give him a piece of my mind, he's just on hidden status unless I go to his page directly.) After the divorce is final I will probably remove him from my life completely.

So... if you were me, how would you get out of this dinner gracefully under the circumstances?  I'll be really bummed that I can't see John, but I swear I won't be able to keep myself from beating the holy living snot out of the other guy. And I don't want to raise enough questions that I get found out. I truly don't have anything else going on that night to claim. And John wants me to pick the restaurant...
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Re: Urgent NWR etiquette emergency...WWYD?

  • I know, I know. It's lying and not good etiquette! Perhaps just being vague and saying you're not really feeling up to company tomorrow night? That's a really tough situation to be in.
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  • edited January 2014
    Get the flu tonight...right now. Stay off social media during your "illnes." The norovirus is going around and only lasts 48 hours...no one wants to be around diarrhea and vomiting. I think you need to miss out on this visit to protect your friend divorcing the waste of space.

    Eta ~ lying to protect your friend and keep you from beating this dude and ending up in jail is excusable imho. GL!
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  • You're sick.  You have a fever and chills and have to stay in bed.
  • Yup- could absolutely be strep! And it can take up to 24 hours to get the results of a strep test if you caught it fairly early. I'm sure you wouldn't want to get John sick- not a good thing for a pilot.
  • laurynm84 said:
    Just make something up. Something came up at work, you're sick, anything.  However, could you go to dinner and fake it, do you think you'd get anymore information that could help the STBXW (sorry I watch too much Law & Order).
    I like this! I am a gossip monger. I would sit through it....and see how much I could find out
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  • I think I have a horrible stomach bug and I just passed it to you. You should stay home so you don't infect anyone else.
  • laurynm84 said:
    Just make something up. Something came up at work, you're sick, anything.  However, could you go to dinner and fake it, do you think you'd get anymore information that could help the STBXW (sorry I watch too much Law & Order).
    That was suggested to me, lol. But honestly I don't think I could do it without incurring my own need for bail funds. This dude is SICK.

    And the illness thing would probably work if I didn't have to be at work all week, in a public place. John knows where I work and would probably have no qualms about showing up there. No chance I could call in sick for the day.  I DO have a doctors appointment Wednesday morning...hmm...
  • If john doesn't know what's going on then wouldn't be worth sitting through dinner with the jerk. Or if he does know and supporting the jerk, you might not like John by the end of dinner :( might be a risk.
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    edited January 2014
    Or you could go... Be really sweet.. Give him some of these...



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  • If john doesn't know what's going on then wouldn't be worth sitting through dinner with the jerk. Or if he does know and supporting the jerk, you might not like John by the end of dinner :( might be a risk.
    He's probably read the rants on Facebook. However, I'm the one who knows the truth. No one has any idea that he threw his wife through a wall when she was holding their 2 month old infant in her arms...right after the baby's open heart surgery. No one knows that he refused to let his wife take their youngest to the doctor for a UTI until she had experienced permanent kidney damage. (Just force fed her cranberry juice instead, thought antibiotics would harm her.)  Nobody knows that he returned the kids to their mom after a week, none of them having had a bath or their clothes washed all week.  Hell, he himself doesn't know that the kids told the mom's attorney themselves that they want to live with their mom and would rather not see their dad. And his mom cashed out her IRA to hire him an attorney to try to get her parental rights terminated.
  • I actually think you should tell John some version of the truth. Tell him that you're sorry, but based on the STBXH's behaviour, you don't want to be around him, and you're sorry that means missing out on seeing John, but you feel very strong about this.

    You say you're almost certain he doesn't know -- if he did know, would that change his opinion of the STB-ex? If it would, you should tell him. 

    But I also think you should tell him because if you're all part of the same social circle, are other people going to start dropping him because of his association with the creep? 
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  • laurynm84 said:
    Just make something up. Something came up at work, you're sick, anything.  However, could you go to dinner and fake it, do you think you'd get anymore information that could help the STBXW (sorry I watch too much Law & Order).
    Me too! Which one do you watch?

    Anyway, OP, I feel you on this one! Try having to stomach Thanksgiving every year having to see the Douchecanoe at the dinner table who molested my best friend when she was a kid and having to act like you don't know anything (friend's wishes not mine). He's related to the family friends who would graciously invite my folks and my sister and I to Thanksgiving dinner every year for many years until the grandma got really sick with Alzheimers/Dimensia, not sure which. And now this asswipe, I find out hangs out with part of my circle of friends!!! No escaping him, whatdoIdo?

    In any situation I have to see him, I politely say hello if he greets me first, and then I get as far away from him as possible, interact with him as little as possible, bean dip the shit out of him, and if it's a situation where i can't avoid him, I pull the sick card or the I've got plans card.

    Weren't you supposed to help your sister move and you plumb forgot until this very moment?
  • SVU is my favorite (and the only one with new episodes). But I did watch the regular Law and Order as well. Didn't really like the other ones.
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  • As someone with their degree in Social Work, it's extremely difficult for me to even imagine being in your position. I used to focus specifically on domestic violence, including child abuse. I pray for your friend to get out of that situation, with her children, ASAP. Also, you're welcome to PM me if you have any questions (not sure what state you live in, but it's not hard for me to find resources).

    That being said, remove yourself from the dinner date. Apologize profusely to John, acknowledge that you know he only comes into town every so often, but you aren't feeling well at all.
  • If john doesn't know what's going on then wouldn't be worth sitting through dinner with the jerk. Or if he does know and supporting the jerk, you might not like John by the end of dinner :( might be a risk.
    He's probably read the rants on Facebook. However, I'm the one who knows the truth. No one has any idea that he threw his wife through a wall when she was holding their 2 month old infant in her arms...right after the baby's open heart surgery. No one knows that he refused to let his wife take their youngest to the doctor for a UTI until she had experienced permanent kidney damage. (Just force fed her cranberry juice instead, thought antibiotics would harm her.)  Nobody knows that he returned the kids to their mom after a week, none of them having had a bath or their clothes washed all week.  Hell, he himself doesn't know that the kids told the mom's attorney themselves that they want to live with their mom and would rather not see their dad. And his mom cashed out her IRA to hire him an attorney to try to get her parental rights terminated.
    OMG that is horrifying!  Yeah, I don't think I'd be able to fake it either. I'm a terrible actress.  I'd just tell him you can't make it, sorry, maybe another time.
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  • I actually think you should tell John some version of the truth. Tell him that you're sorry, but based on the STBXH's behaviour, you don't want to be around him, and you're sorry that means missing out on seeing John, but you feel very strong about this.

    You say you're almost certain he doesn't know -- if he did know, would that change his opinion of the STB-ex? If it would, you should tell him. 

    But I also think you should tell him because if you're all part of the same social circle, are other people going to start dropping him because of his association with the creep? 
    All good points.  Yes, at some point I will tell John some level of the truth. He should know about it, but I would let him make his own decision about what to believe. Friend is very manipulative, he has blatantly lied during his facebook rants about things about his STBXW and things that have happened with the kids. He has a lot of people standing behind him who believe the lies. (She has plenty of people standing behind her, too, btw.)  I think he would be torn between two old friends and two stories. I have no idea how much interaction the two guys have had over the years, though. I don't know if John is aware of the extent of the friend's lies. If we could have dinner alone, I'd probably be able to find out more about that.  My hesitation to say anything major now goes back to not wanting things to get traced back to me enough that he could defriend or block me and keep me from getting the info for the STBXW.  She is a good woman and doesn't deserve how she's been treated, and I'm really proud of her for getting her ducks all lined up so she could leave.

    There are only a few people in our circle - me, John, friend, STBXW (who doesn't know John), and S. S knows everything going on and flat out refused to help me get out of this because she wants me to take video of the shitshow the dinner would be so she can see it.  :P   I said only if she posted my bail.
  • As someone with their degree in Social Work, it's extremely difficult for me to even imagine being in your position. I used to focus specifically on domestic violence, including child abuse. I pray for your friend to get out of that situation, with her children, ASAP. Also, you're welcome to PM me if you have any questions (not sure what state you live in, but it's not hard for me to find resources).

    Thank you! Fortunately the only mutual friend all 4 of us have is a social worker as well, and she is taking very good care of the STBXW.  Has gotten her all hooked up with anything and everything she's qualified for.  The kids and their mom are living with a grandmother now, mom has an new job, and the kids seem to be adjusting to their new school (they were homeschooled before, another way the ass was keeping them all isolated and dependent on him).

  • Weren't you supposed to help your sister move and you plumb forgot until this very moment?
    *sigh* If John wasn't facebook friends with my sister as well...who lives out of state...

    Maybe I'll pick up some overtime...at a store in another county...until really late...
  • That's very reassuring to hear. You're a good friend for being a support system for her. I know it can be very difficult to play that role for someone who is trying to extract themselves from an abusive relationship; it takes a very strong person to provide that shoulder to lean on. Keep fighting the good fight and, while I would normally agree with HisGirl to be honest to John about where you stand, you don't want to further complicate the situation for your friend by admitting your involvement (albeit behind-the-scenes ala Facebook). 
  • I would just say I was starting to feel sick and then if he showed up at your work, say you couldn't afford missing a day and you took some cough medicine and that you are feeling better because you got some extra sleep.

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  • It's not unusual for me to pick up a couple of hours of emergency overtime at other locations, so that might be my best bet.  I'll have to have my phone on silent while I work so that's a good excuse to not see any texts from him until after I've left...however late I want that to be...

    Bonus that I could probably find that overtime somewhere so it wouldn't really be that much of a lie kinda...
  • I think you need to make something up (if you can't get overtime). I'm a big fan of menstrual cramps because they can be debilitating and a lot of men will NOT ask about them.

    (Side note: I am not actually a fan of real cramps and recently had ones bad enough that I almost went to the ER. I've never used cramps as a fake excuse before, but I have used them as a real excuse, and men do NOT LIKE to hear anything more about them.)
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  • Migraines are also good excuses. You can say you feel one coming on and need to spend the evening alone in a dark, quiet room so that you can prevent it from turning into a full-blown monster. I've used that excuse many times and I don't think anyone has figured out I'm only telling the truth 50% of the time.
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  • edited January 2014
    Eat some onion rings and cancel due to gas. I used that excuse once, sadly it was true, and everyone believed me and i really didn't want to go to the party so it was worth the embarrassment.
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  • If john doesn't know what's going on then wouldn't be worth sitting through dinner with the jerk. Or if he does know and supporting the jerk, you might not like John by the end of dinner :( might be a risk.
    He's probably read the rants on Facebook. However, I'm the one who knows the truth. No one has any idea that he threw his wife through a wall when she was holding their 2 month old infant in her arms...right after the baby's open heart surgery. No one knows that he refused to let his wife take their youngest to the doctor for a UTI until she had experienced permanent kidney damage. (Just force fed her cranberry juice instead, thought antibiotics would harm her.)  Nobody knows that he returned the kids to their mom after a week, none of them having had a bath or their clothes washed all week.  Hell, he himself doesn't know that the kids told the mom's attorney themselves that they want to live with their mom and would rather not see their dad. And his mom cashed out her IRA to hire him an attorney to try to get her parental rights terminated.
    That is horrifying. I have no words.
  • This was one of the most entertaining reads mainly for the excuses. I'm sorry for the situation you're in. I would probably use a given excuse though, because I'm not sure if socializing with the guy would be damaging to your helping with the STBXW's case? And I'm all for protecting my friends. Especially from douchecanoes like this
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