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Storm brewing

edited January 2014 in Wedding Etiquette Forum
   Soon, I might have to have a talk with my father.  I don't think I want him to walk me down the aisle.  When I was younger, I left his house and moved in with my mother. I was 14 at the time, and the fashion in which I left to move in with my mother was very immature. The courts made me move back in with my father, until I was old enough to decide for myself.  
   Before the next school year, the courts decided I was old enough to move in with my mother.  I apologized for the manner in which I left, but he wanted nothing to do with me.  He stopped talking to me for 3 years.  He did not attend my high school graduation, and that has always had an impact on my life. When I went to college, I moved back in with him. I was still hurt by his actions, but tried to put it behind me, and move on.  He went back to school, and I attended his graduation.  Everyone told me it was nice that I was being the bigger person.
   Fast forward to present day.  My father got prostate cancer, during the time my twin sister was pregnant.  It was highly treatable, as he had only stage one. He promised me not to tell my twin sister, because she was pregnant. My twin sister and I are extremely close. I told him I would try, but in the world of social media, it is hard to keep a secret for 9 months. 
   My father would put all these leading statements on facebook about his health and others would comment on it and wish him well. He whipped my sister into a frenzy, as her FI's mother was battling terminal cancer.  I told him to tell her because what she was thinking was far worse than what he had, and she needed to hear that she was not going to lose her father.  He refused.  I waited three months, constantly begging him to tell her, because she would call me after seeing posts, and went to a party where someone asked how our dad was feeling. 
   By this time, my sister was in hysterics.  I told her in a very calm manner his condition, and she was not even upset, because it was a lot better than her fears.  My dad refused to see me that Christmas.  He told me if I was near my twin sister, he would not see me. And if I came to visit him with her, he would leave town and go back home. I know I should not have shared his secret, but he put me in an awful position, almost like he wanted to upset her.  
   I asked my father if he was planning on coming to the wedding. He said he would only come if I would honor him and allow him to walk me down the aisle. I feel like he has abandoned me twice, and I don't want to honor that on my wedding day. Plus, if I did invite him, and he was mad at me and decided to stick it to me on my wedding day, I would feel as heartbroken and embarrassed as when he refused to attend my graduation.
    My grandfather is like a father, to me.  He has always been there for me, and has never turned his back on me. I wanted him to walk me down the aisle, since my father refused to see me at Christmas. Should I just let my dad walk me down the aisle, even though I feel it would be incredibly phony?  Should I tell him, I still, want him to attend, but I had planned for my grandpa to walk me down the aisle? (By the way my father no longer talks to his step-father, as my father blames him for my grandmother's death) ? Or should I just not have anyone walk me down the aisle and have a dance with my twin sister instead of my father or grandfather? What would you do, if you were in my shoes?
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  • Thank you. I have been holding off on this call because I know it will destroy any relationship we will have. But, we never talk anymore, so it's just for appearances sakes that we have a relationship. I wish it weren't this way.
  • How do you think he may react if you have your grandfather walk you down the aisle instead of him?  I mean, do you think he might make a scene at your wedding?  Maybe you should consider walking by yourself if that is the case. Perhaps he will misbehave anyway.  I hope not.
  • Honestly, I think your dad is being a jerk.  Given his past with you it doesn't sound like this behavior is going to end either.  Right now its the wedding, and then what the grandchildren?  The new living quaters? The decision you made that doesn't even affect him?

    I would walk down the aisle with the person you want to walk with.  If that is your grandfather, do it.  If it is by yourself, do it.  If it is with your FI and about to be husband, do it!  This is one of those times where you can say, "It's my day and I want this!"

    If you want your father to attend the wedding, just tell him that you hope he can attend as a guest and then stop talking wedding with him.  This is a relly shitty situation and I am sorry that he is putting you in it.

  • You should have your grandfather escort you. He is the one you relied on that supported you not your father. Why reward childish, petty behavior on your dad's part? The person to give you away should be someone who means a great deal to you, not someone who is forcing their phony act on you.

    My father is an abusive, manipulative worm! Never is a million years would I allow him to walk me down the aisle. Instead I will either walk myself, or we may break tradition and FI and walk together.

    My father claims it is his God given right, as yours seems to feel also. But in reality it is not. To escort a bride down the aisle and to give her away is an honor and a blessing!
  • Given all the unnecessary drama and manipulation your father causes in your life, if you don't want him walking you down the aisle, I totally support you.

    If your father still isn't talking to you, he might not even show up at your wedding, whether you invite him or not.
  • All of this! Pps are right, he sounds very emotionally abusive! You were a teenager when you wanted to move with your mom so please please please don't beat yourself up over this!! Lots of teenagers say and do things they don't mean but something tells me there's a reason you wanted to move with your mom and based on your fathers actions and attitudes is it possible he was the same way back then?
  • My mother had her grandfather walk her down the aisle and it was a much better choice for her. Go for it. Don't let your "father" manipulate you or make you feel guilty. He may be your blood relative, but he doesn't sound like much of a father. 

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  • I have a relationship similar to this with my real mother. I have not spoken to her in several years other than the emotionally abusive emails she has sent me when she somehow gets a hold of a new email address I have or when she first joined FB. She has never met my H and as far as I am concerned she never will. I did not invite her to my wedding but everyone in my family was worried she would find out specifics and show up anyway. We had a lot of people on guard in case that were to happen. If I were you I would speak to his mother or father (if you are close with them still) and express your concerns maybe his mama can put him in his place...otherwise maybe you and your mother can sit down and have a heart to heart with him and get things out in the open. Sorry this is a tough situation and you might need the help of re-enforcements to make sure he behaves if you feel he is still going to act out after you speak with him.
  • Thank you everyone, for your much needed advice.  I have a hard time, being the one to stand my ground, especially to my parents.  I was taught to respect them, but my dad thinks he can do whatever he likes to me, and I should still respect him. I will talk to him this weekend.  We may never talk again, and he will refuse to go to the wedding because he hates his step-father (my grandfather). I didn't want him to be slighted by asking my grandfather, but I have to be true to me. It's just a shame that with all the issues brides have to deal with, their close family should never be one of them.
  • You did something immature when you were 14 years old ... because you were a 14-year-old. Regarding his illness, he made you keep a secret that was obviously NOT a secret; if he had really tried to keep it a secret, he wouldn't have been posting on Facebook, upsetting your sister, and still refusing to allow you to tell her even thought she was already freaking out.

    You wonder if he might have wanted to upset your sister? I think so, given that he KNEW she was already upset because she knew something was wrong based on his posts.

    And finally, he refuses to attend your wedding unless you honor him. I just ... can we just look at that for a second? How ridiculous that is?

    I highly, highly recommend finding a good therapist to talk to about this situation. Not because I think that your relationship with your father is fixable, but because I think that you need help dealing with the positions he's putting you in. If he doesn't attend your wedding because you don't sufficiently honor him (which he does not even deserve!), then you should have no reason to feel embarrassed, as if you somehow caused the situation. Heart-broken, sure. Livid? Hell yes. But this is something he's doing to you. He's being manipulative and he's being uncaring. That's not something you need to be embarrassed about.

    I am estranged from my father. We were briefly reconciled for a couple of years, but honestly, it just constantly felt like I was auditioning for his love and support. Not only that, but I always felt like, although he was 30 years my senior, I was dealing with a child.

    Your comments about your behavior at age 14 really struck a nerve with me. You were a child (even if, at the time, you didn't feel like you were just a kid). While I wouldn't be surprised if your father was always feeling hurt about what happened, part of being a parent is NOT emotionally punishing your children forever for childish behavior that occurred when they were a child.

    No one's a perfect parent, but this is out of the realm of "normal parent behavior" and smack dab in the middle of "abnormal emotionally abusive manipulative behavior."

    I think that you have a good grasp on the current situation: your father wants you to give him something, and is threatening to withhold something that constitutes love if you don't do it ("Give me all the honors associated with being your loving father on your wedding day, or else I won't act the part of your loving father on your wedding day"). You also have a good grasp on the repercussions you're risking if you go ahead and have your grandfather walk you down the aisle (or if you even just say no to your dad and walk yourself down).

    My advice is to get a therapist immediately, and to stay true to yourself and ask your grandfather to walk you down the aisle. If your father refuses to attend your wedding, or does attend and acts like the biggest asshole ever, it might be time to leave that toxic relationship behind.
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  • whitney37354whitney37354 member
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    Come down the aisle on your own.  Dance with your grandfather at the reception. I don't know if I would even invite your dad to the wedding if he's going to make a scene.
  • dmyrick78 said:
    Thank you everyone, for your much needed advice.  I have a hard time, being the one to stand my ground, especially to my parents.  I was taught to respect them, but my dad thinks he can do whatever he likes to me, and I should still respect him. I will talk to him this weekend.  We may never talk again, and he will refuse to go to the wedding because he hates his step-father (my grandfather). I didn't want him to be slighted by asking my grandfather, but I have to be true to me. It's just a shame that with all the issues brides have to deal with, their close family should never be one of them.
    This is a struggle for me as well, because of a different set of family issues. In my case, it's playing referee between my two parents who haven't spoke to each other in 10 years. My dad tried to reach out to my mom the other day, so as to bridge the gap a little before our August wedding, and was shut down. So now I either have to try and get my mom to back down and be civil, or worry about looking at her at my wedding/rehearsal and seeing a scowl on her face because she is in the same room as my dad.

    Unfortunately, it seems that weddings magnify family issues for many people. You just have to find strength in yourself to do what works for YOU, and to hell with those people who deliberately cause problems and make drama, Which, of course, is easier said than done.

    Good luck!
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  • OP, I just want to tell you that I'm sorry you have to deal with this! I know how the love of a parent means more than extended relatives, but it sounds like your grandpa is your father figure and your father is playing a role. I'd go with what's real to you!
  • dmyrick78 said:
    Thank you everyone, for your much needed advice.  I have a hard time, being the one to stand my ground, especially to my parents.  I was taught to respect them, but my dad thinks he can do whatever he likes to me, and I should still respect him. I will talk to him this weekend.  We may never talk again, and he will refuse to go to the wedding because he hates his step-father (my grandfather). I didn't want him to be slighted by asking my grandfather, but I have to be true to me. It's just a shame that with all the issues brides have to deal with, their close family should never be one of them.
    Good luck with everything. I'm sending positive thoughts your way.

    Your dad needs to realize that this day is not about him and his petty disagreements and manipulations. It is about you marrying the love of your life. It's a joyous occasion, and he should be happy and supportive, not bringing you heartache over his own hangups. Unfortunately it sounds like he will never realize any of these things. 

    Stay strong and know that you have support from the ladies here, as well as the rest of your family.
  • Wow.  Sounds like there's a lot going on here.  I will echo everyone else in saying that you can have anybody escort you down the aisle or no one.  There are no rules.  Do what feels right.  
  • Hugs* coming your way! I think you made the right choice! Good luck with everything!
  • You sound like you are handling everything wonderfully. I think it's great that you're sticking to your guns on this one. Good luck to you, and feel free to use us for venting when you need to.
  • I'm so sorry your relationship with your father has been so tempestuous. I think you've handled the situation really well. I hope your big day turns out to be everything you deserve.
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