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Wedding Woes

Jobs my husband could never take; outcomes I'd be totally okay with.

Dear Prudence,
Last year, my husband was a finalist for a once-in-a-lifetime career opportunity. We were both flown to the lovely island city of the organization. I learned there were high expectations for entertaining and community involvement for both employee and spouse. It would have meant my leaving a fulfilling job, but I was told there would be plenty of social and intellectual opportunities for me, and the organization thinks of itself as a family. My husband got the job. Almost a year into our new life, my husband is blissfully happy. Our elementary-aged daughter and I are not. My daughter is pleasant and outgoing and has always been popular. I have invited just about every child in her new class over for visits and activities; almost without exception these invitations have been politely declined. I offered to volunteer at a couple of nonprofits, but was told they were all set. The other women in the community attend work-related gatherings at our home, but when I have tried to pursue a friendship, I get a polite cold shoulder. I've lived in many states and have never had a problem making friends. One person explained to me that the culture here, while superficially friendly, is pretty insular, and people feel “outsiders” aren’t worth the effort. I want to return to our previous city, where I could get my old job back. But my husband wants to stay here for the rest of his career. We've talked about this, and he's not budging. I feel like I have to choose between marital happiness and happiness in the other areas of my life, and I am beginning to worry that the rest of my life might just prove more important than my marriage. Do you see any alternative?

—Lonely

DG should be cautious about that move to Hawaii, apparently. 

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Re: Jobs my husband could never take; outcomes I'd be totally okay with.

  • Maybe she should look for the other outsiders that haven't been accepted and form their own little club.

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  • WzzWzz member
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    i agree with nola. if this is a thing, where are the other outsiders? i would go crazy if i had no people to become friendly with. and if socializing with her husband isn't doing anything for her, then she should get a job and see if that helps.
  • Frankly, I don't think marital happiness is even an option here, with how little a shit he gives about his wife or daughter.
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    good point.
  • Almost a year doesn't seem that long to me, especially as adults.  Making friends is way harder now than it used to be.  She's really saying MeetUp/libraries/other neightborhood events are just not available?

    Being happy at your job is a big deal.  Being really happy at your job, especially in one that sounds like it's providing for them all really well, is a big damn deal.  It feels like there's something missing to this story. 

    FWIW, I leave in a small, highly religious, suburban and country, city, >150K and found my niche.  You just have to keep looking and maybe make your own too.  She might try finding her own job.  But this seems like, she agreed to it and "almost a year" doesn't sound like long enough to give anything a chance.
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    after a year, her child should have found a friend or two, though. kids have an easier time making friends than adults do, especially if the kid is in extracurricular activities.
  • VarunaTTVarunaTT member
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    edited January 2014
    IDK, it took me a long time in junior high to fit in here as a kid too.  I can remember crying about how clique-ish it was to my mother b/c everyone went to junior high together and already had all of their BFFs and stuff.  

    I got involved in outside choirs and theatre and things like that, and it helped.  But I don't have any friends left from high school and that's unusual in this town.  Hell, DH used to part of a group of 5-7 guys who all went to high school together and were still BFFs up to now.
  • That's junior high, though.  This kid is in elementary school.  No one there has been friends for very long, because they haven't been alive very long.
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  • *shrug*  My junior high was cliquish b/c they all went to elementary school, their parents were all friends, they went to same churches, etc.

    I just don't think this man is an asshole b/c the place where he spends half of his time, he really really enjoys.  I don't see where she seems to have made some sort of concerted effort.  If this were 3 years and she couldn't find a decent, fulfilling or bearable job and her kid was being bullied, okay.  But "I don't like it here"?  Suck it up, buttercup.
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    if you take the OP at her word, then she and her daughter are making an effort and are purposefully being excluded. if she didn't have the kid, i would think she could make more of an effort. it is harder to make friends as an adult, but it's not impossible.

     

    as a child in school, a year without any friends, just your mom, seems really isolated and lonely. i think the dad should be more concerned about how to help the kid at least become more social. the wife should be able to do something.

     

    i didn't make lifelong friends in JH like everyone else in my school did (i only attended for 2 years, while most other kids were together since 1st grade), but i did have people i socialized with regularly. i was included in parties and things like that, even with kids who never were my BFF, just by association.

  • I'm wondering if this is "the pastor's wife" kind of situation as opposed to just simply "be ready to be out there". The pastor's wife IS it's own job to a greater or lesser extent.

    Mass turndowns on parties and invites and active cold shouldering can wear someone down fast. As if she's not fulfilling HER end of the job.
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  • Also...is the husband actually helping however he can? Using his "in"? Like maybe he starts sending out the invites, following up, HE organize a Super Bowl party, something or other like that?

    Or is he in the "I'm happy doing my thing, suck it up" camp?

    Something's getting left out of the telling here.
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    i would have assumed, as the wife going into this situation, that she would be able to socialize with his coworker's families. knowing he relocated, shouldn't they feel obligated to help?
  • And let's not forget that she left HER fulfilling job, where she spent half of her time and was happy, to follow him and be miserable all of her time.
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  • I suspect that's the problem itself.  She made the compromise and now she's pissed about it.

    I don't particularly see that as all his fault.  And since we don't know what she has/hasn't tried and what he has/hasn't tried, I'm not willing to sell him downriver.  Just b/c someone wants the "perfect job" doesn't make them an asshole.
  • She has no job and no one will take her as a volunteer.  What exactly are you expecting her to do here?
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  • Kuus, it sounds like she is only trying to fit in with one group of women. She may find that going down one step on the social economic ladder may open up more choices of friends.
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  • Aren't the one group the group that it's her new "job" to entertain all the time?
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  • See, this is where introversion pays off big time. Bacon has had playdates *maybe* 10 times since she started school. That's twice a year. And she's happy like that. Last time she had a friend over, she was reaching meltdown status about an hour before he went home. It wasn't pretty. 

    We lived here 5 years before I had any friends - and they made me, I didn't make them. 

    Hence the title. My H couldn't take a job that demanded *I* be social, and if he did, and then no one liked me? Off the hook! 
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  • Also, can we talk about jobs that have high expectations for entertaining and community involvement for not just the people who work for them, but their spouses?  That's fucked up, isn't it?  Like the spouse is the employee's accessory, and therefore someone the organization also owns?
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    she doesn't sound like an introvert, though. she sounds like she wants to be with other people. the kid, too.

     

    while he may not be a complete asshole, he isn't willing to compromise here. so he decided he is staying for the rest of his career, end of story. i still think if she gets a job she may be able to find a place where people accept her. and if she meets other people with children, then her kid might have someone else to talk to. hopefully the kid has more going on than school and TV and just needs more time to fit in.

     

  • She hasn't separated work from social. Yes, she's hosting work things in her home, but that doesn't mean that they are her friends. It's hard to make real friends when you're older, but these ladies don't sound like they even want to try.
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  • Reading between the lines, though, it doesn't sound like she's exactly allowed to have a job.
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  • VarunaTTVarunaTT member
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    Well, she was obviously able to speak to someone about the culture.  She can also check Meetup for groups she would be interested in (even my city has 3 purely social to be social groups and it's neither large or diverse), she can start hitting up the library events during the day, get involved with PTA or volunteering at the school, etc.  

    I honestly don't believe her about the NFP.  I have NEVER seen a NFP turn down a volunteer.  Feeding the homeless, advocate shelters, women's violence shelters, political movements, theatre backstage hands, ushers?  Not for profits always find something for a volunteer to do.  Perhaps it wasn't glamorous enough for her:  not the NFP's fault.

    Or she can make her own.  Even if it's on this island, unless every.single.damn person is out to get her, she can do something herself.  And if every.damn.person is out to get her, maybe she isn't as pleasant as she thinks she is.  Maybe she's making some missteps culturally that she needs to find out about instead of trying to barrel her way into things.  She's said nothing about trying to find a job, maybe she should try that.

    All I'm saying is this:

    1.  Moving some place brand new with a new house and new societal expectations can take more than a year to get all your stuffs figured out;
    2.  He's not a douchelord for loving his job and apparently provided for them all well enough that she's a SAHM;
    3.  She presumably agreed to this, so I think putting your marriage on the line over this should take more than a year; and
    4.  You don't know anything about him beyond "he's blissfully happy".  Well, that's damn important.  

    She needs to suck this up, figure out a new plan and make her own way.  If after 3 years it's all the same, I'd have far more sympathy.  But this is just whining.

    ETA:  If he somehow forced her to leave, that's douchebaggery.  But that's not in the telling, so I don't know.
  • Plus, he may be making major bank and not willing to give that up.
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  • Oh, I know, Zilla. I'm just saying, this is like, the one time it would actually be awesome, and you wouldn't end up with people getting all butt-hurt because no, really, I just want to stay in my house by myself for ever. 

    And Kuus, I'm with you. I don't get that shit at. all. Your job is your job. I don't make my husband come to choir parties with me - that's my job. He doesn't care about those people. This is like those schools with volunteer requirements - if I had 20 hours a week to devote to my kid's school, wouldn't I just teach her myself? 
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  • Also, can we talk about jobs that have high expectations for entertaining and community involvement for not just the people who work for them, but their spouses?  That's fucked up, isn't it?  Like the spouse is the employee's accessory, and therefore someone the organization also owns?
    ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY awful and fucked up.

    If you want someone to have a job, you pay them and have the obligations to them of an employer
    (and I"m not talking about the one-off--the Mr. usually volunteers w/ me one day a year for my big event--it's a PITA for him, but, he loves me and does it.  When Buffy is bigger, she'll be dragged along too.  I also try (and usually fail because I have a job) to go to the 1 or 2 employee outreach things his employer does per year, to make nice for him.
    But overwhelmingly, it's crappy)

    It tends to be very sexist--as in, men aren't usually expected to do this free shit nearly as often as women are, but even without that, it opens a huge can of worms.
    It essentially halves the salary, because it's split over 2 people (or, since one is usually PT, 1/4 and 3/4 but, still).  But only 1 person has legal recourse to the paycheck.

    So, divorce fucks it up badly.  as do normal marital strifey things.

    It's asshattery at it's finest.

  • Where does it sound like she's "not allowed"?  That's ridiculous.
  • So what did Prudie tell her, @baconsmom?
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