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I have spent the last week hesitating about posting but I just need complete strangers advice. About 2 weeks ago, a very very close member of  family "S" tried to take their own life...in an extremely violent way. By divine miracle (timing) someone went to visit and found "S." If a few minutes late, "S" would have passed away. After surgery, "S" is on way to a full physical recovery..another miracle. "S" has suffered depression for decades and had many other failed attempts but never in the manor of this last attempt. It was so violent and "unusual" for a female.

"S" has lived far away up until moving close about 8 months ago. I had a very bad experience with "S" a few months ago. Her "illness" was blamed but I knew right away that it was simply "S's"  personality that triggered the outburst. A pattern is very clear. "S" will be "wrong" and instead of being humble, claws come out, people are punched, kick out, cursed at, etc. Then when those people put distance (boundaries) "S" feels victimized, starts to experience anxiety, insomnia and depression sets it. I've seen this cycle many times. 'S" is never held accountable. Family members, their entire lives, walk on eggshell because of past the depression and past suicide attempts. A havent seen/spoken to "S" in a few months. It truly was such an outrages experience for me that I hadn't been able to get past it (but was really trying to).

The day of "S's" last attempt, we rushed to hospital and got there after "S' was moved to a trauma floor (from surgery). "S" had a trach to asst breathing so couldnt speak. When I was seen, "S" started freaking out. I asked the social work who was in room if we should leave and was told no. I then got a pad and pen and told "S" to write what it was that was trying to be said. "Im sorry, Forgive me" was written and then I was looked at. I immediately felt that "S" was referring to the incident back a few months. "S" stared at me the entire visit (there were only 2 of us in room). The feeling was so overwhelming I almost passed out. This apology was the first thing that was written and basically the last full sentence.

"S" is doing remarkable and has been since the first night (physically). The rest of the family is not. At all. The timing is also bothering everyone (not that timing is ever good but they are just processing it all, including our wedding in 2 months, We (fiance) and I are running cycles of emotions but predominately, now, anger. For him, he is angry until he sees "S" but for me, at first, I would only feel anger when visiting but now, its constant. It feels like poison inside of me and I cant get it out.

When it first happened I told fiance that if he wanted to postpone wedding, I would understand. He was very stern when he told me 'no way!" A few nights ago, we "realized" that "S" will always see the scar when looking in mirror and how it will be a constant reminder. I told him that some how we would have to put a positive "spin" on it. Something along the lines of, "you survived and now..." We also spoke about the possibility of "S" missing the wedding, and how this will be another thing that will be in "S's" guilt arsenal. In other words, "S" will NEVER get over it. His anger exploded and said we should just cancel.

RSVP's have been coming in, flights booked, rooms and cars have been reserved. Honestly, to cancel is a big thing but the emotions and "S's" situation are bigger.

There are days, we sit...still. Not saying a word. Other days, we talk very raw and honestly, All the ugly feelings are admitted. I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, everything we are feeling is completely normal. He goes from one emotion to another. Me...Im just stuck with poisonous anger. It spikes so fast that I physically feel like Im going to faint. To be honest, I was raped years ago and went into a hospital. Diagnosed with clinical depression and PTSD. I know the darkness. I finally did escape the darkness. The escape is not from medication alone. It takes a conscious effort. Behavior modification. Before reaching the darkness, there are red flags. "S" experiences those red flags and chooses to do nothing about it. I believe this is one source of my anger.

"S" is extremely manipulative and my fiance (because he is one who doesnt walk away) always feels the pain and guilt from "S's" manipulation. I see it. It is all very clear and so extremely unhealthy. For "S" and him. People back away from "S"..."S" gets sick...(manipulating her meds) and everyone runs back. Before long, the cycle of attack happens again, and everyone backs away because they are hurt/angry.

Please please believe me. I am not minimizing "S" illness. I know it all tooo well. I love "S" dearly. I am just sooo frekkin angry. I cant seem to process past it all. Im also scared. Ive been for a few months now. I see the manipulation and have started to verbalize my witness to fiance. He sees it and agrees but still function within those situation because "S" is who "S" is. One small example. "S" got a ride from a family member to doctors a few months back. "S" caused a fight and jumped out of car, so was "stranded" (a populated place). "S" called fiance for a ride but fiance was in meetings all day and scheduled til late into night. He told "S" it was impossible. "S" called still stranded 8 hours later!! When he told me, I was shocked! I told him "S" could take a cap. He said "S" didnt tell me to take a taxi when I was birthed. Right there, I knew/felt there is great potential for problems in our relationship. He left our meeting and went and picked "S" up. "S" had done this before and since.

I love this man deeply. I love "S." and since the latest attempt, I an really so scared. If healthy boundaries are erected, I feel our marriage will have big trouble. I know there is nothing I can do to "convince" him of anything. Like I said, he has admitted to walking on eggshells his entire life because of her illness and attempts at suicide. Now...this violent way of this last attempt...I can imagine his fears will be worse. The family feels its just a matter of time before she is successful. There are children involved. I have a teenager. He doesnt know what happened. I lied. Told him "S" choked on a chicken bone. "S" doesnt have insurance and we are not sure if she will even be transferred into a psyche hospital. There are only 3 and they are for profit. Nobody is equipped to handle this. I could quit my job and have her live with me but I would not be able to sleep or even pee! She'd need 24/7 watching.

I am so sorry this is so long. I am having nightmares about people that we lost to suicide (my ex's side) and a good friend of mine. The rape is even coming up (dreams).  I can't think clearly at times. I can not afford therapy at this time. I also feel so sad...the wedding joy is gone. I feel desperate to resolve my emotions...so desperate Im posting. Please....any advice.

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Re: Paraylzed with emotions-extremely serious situation (long)

  • and how do I cancel a wedding after people have made all their arrangements? Pay them back?

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  • abbyj700abbyj700 member
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    First of all OP - let me extend a hug. The weight that comes with dealing with a loved one with mental illness is so heavy. Another part of this is the guilt and pain we have when we allow ourselves to get angry at "s". You are right to feel anger, you are right to feel pain - and even guilt is just a part of the process.

    Violent suicide attempts do not end well - even if the person survives. Having lost one of my dearest friends to depression, addiction and ultimately suicide - your post struck a chord with me. S needs help. And you know, and it seems like his family is figuring out - she needs more help than any of you can give. She is a danger to herself and others and needs to be committed to a facility.

    Your concerns about FI are tough. Not only is this his family - but as a man of god - I can only imagine what he is feeling and struggling with. Have you discussed this with him from that perspective? Does his family lean on him as the leader to say "we can forgive her, we can help her, I'm going to help her" - because it's not fair for all of that weight to be on him. 

    Not just for the good your marriage, but for the safety of S and the good of all - this family needs to make the hard decisions and get her help - whether she wants it right now or not.
  • First of all, may I give you a hug? There is a lot of mental illness in my family as well, and I understand how much of a toll it can take. You are doing so well getting through this, and I hope everyone comes out better on the other side.

    Second: I agree with PPs about getting help and taking things slowly. It's wonderful that your FI wants to put up boundaries and try to get her help without being manipulated, but the proof is in the pudding. If he can maintain those boundaries, you'll both be much happier.
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  • First & foremost - many hugs to you. As someone who has a brother with severe mental health issues, I know how difficult and painful and guilt-ridden and stressful life with mental illness can be. It's so multi-layered and while it's very easy to know that enabling is "wrong" and to know that "tough love" is necessary, it's FAR from easy to actually carry out such behavior changes. 

    I ditto @daria24 and highly encourage some personal, professional help for you. She provided some good resources, and you can also check your local NAMI chapter as well. I hope the rest of the family will be on board, too, as it's truly going to take a unified front if there is any hope to break the cycle of behavior that's been at play in the family for so long. It's an extremely difficult road, and navigating the ridiculously screwed up mental health system makes it all the more difficult. But it can me done! Good luck to you all - I'll definitely be keeping you in my thoughts.


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  • OP hugs and prayers go out to you and your fi and your family. I'm sorry you have to deal with this. It sounds like your fi is realizing that the best thing he can do is establish boundaries which you both need to stick strictly to. I can't really offer better advice than what these ladies have already mentioned. I think the best thing to do is get counseling for both you and your fi separately and then together. I'm not sure postponing the wedding is necessary and if anything may only be further enabling s's power over the situation.
  • melbensomelbenso member
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    Speaking as someone whose upcoming wedding plans have been affected by dealing with someone I love who has an untreated mental illness, all three of you need to get some help.

    You cannot force S to recognize or get treatment for her mental illness.  But you can stop enabling her.  I haven't interacted with my best friend of nearly 20 years, who was supposed to be one of my bridesmaids before she stopped getting treatment for her illness, for the past few months because any interaction I have with her only enables and aggravates her illness.  It breaks my heart, but I would rather have her healthy and mad at me and not at my wedding than the alternative.

    You and your FI need to get some counseling too.  The both of you together, to deal with how this is affecting your relationship and how you want to proceed with your relationship, and him by himself, as there are clearly some serious issues he is dealing with here involving S (and not dealing with them well). And I speak from personal experience when I say it helps to talk to someone.  Look into support groups for friends and family of people with mental illnesses too.

    As for postponing the wedding, all I can say is don't make that decision based on the fact that other people have started making travel arrangements.  Marrying someone because it would inconvenience others if you changed your plans is a really, really bad idea.  Sit down with your FI (and hopefully your mutual counselor), talk about it together, determine what the two of you want, and do that.

    I'm sorry you are going through this.  I know how much it hurts.  Good luck.
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  • All I will say is that I am in a very, very similar situation as the one in which you find yourself.

    The difference is that FI and I are a united front, always. Even if we disagree on how to approach something, we discuss it with each other first and come to a mutual agreement with regard to how to proceed. If one person disagrees with the other, the other does not just go off and do it anyway.

    I get the feeling that there are other concerns you have about your relationship that you're not sharing, which I'll respect. However, the aspects that you have shared are very concerning. I would not be proceeding with the wedding at this point. All of your guests will understand if a serious personal matter related to the relationship calls for a postponement.


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  • Thank you everyone. I appreciate all your advice. I didnt mean to paint a picture that there are other issues between me and fiance. In all fairness, this is "new" to him in the sense that "S" has lived in another state for 1+ years. Moving close, has put this front and center, in his face, and apparently "S" is worse then ever. Fiance, before, was able to do the "eggshell" thing on the phone and that was that. He has said having "S" close, has caused him to find his way to redefine boundaries for which hasnt been easy because he feels bad that she is "alone." He set a major boundary about a month ago and "S" stopped taking meds...leading to this suicide attempt. Logically he knows its not his fault, but 3x, Ive heard him wonder out loud and then "shake" it off. I watch. Its a process, for both.

    We have not lost our ability to communicate honestly. We have talked many times and many times we both express the ugly. Thank God that safety is there. I met with a counselor today. I feel stupid in a very small way. He pointed out that Im projecting my fears about my future marriage catastrophically with no real basis. No past behavior from fiance really warrants such fears. He also said that it is understandable that I would fear because of my strong need (because of my own past trauma) for safety, security and consistency. He is very right. He called me "Cindrella" and asked if I always wait for the other shoe to drop. Truth is, I always did/do but much much less since Ive been with my fiance (my ex, an alcoholic -my other shoe always dropped).

    He advised me to "allow" fiance some time to become familiar with "S" and learn her again and to "find" his true "voice." He explained that this (trauma) is all so fresh and her presence, actively in his life, is new. He said that the boundaries that fiance has established are a great sign that he is finding his way out from under the grips of her mental illness...especially that he set some during her acute episodes. As for me, he advised that I recognize my fears are largely from my past relationship and that fiance is a different man then my ex...and our relationship is a different relationship. He also told me to acknowledge that all the suicides (ex's family and a friend) I've experienced in the past are pulling forth to here and now and that I have to deal with this attempt as it is..an unsuccessful suicide. The "what ifs" are very unhealthy and Im causing myself to experience minor panic attacks. I will admit that, deep inside, I immediately thought fiance would cancel the wedding, and it caused me great pain, anger and sadness. I found myself thinking how unfair that "we" have to cancel "our" wedding because of her actions.

    Today was a good visit with this counselor. He did help me to see that I'm reacting "unreasonably" yet completely "normal" given the circumstances. Im usually very good at keeping things where they belong...the past is the past. Fiance is not my ex. Our relationship is completely different then my ex marriage. We are completely different. I almost feel like a failure in all of this with all my emotions and projections but Ive got to be gentle with myself and allow myself to experience this grief cycle. Fiance will be joining me next time. I feel a bit of hope...not so dreadful as I have been feeling. I know my fiance is a strong man. Given the circumstances, its only right for me to give him time to "grow." We both need to "grow" and find a healthy way, balance, in dealing with "S." We are always on the same page with every other aspect of our life, and he has gotten on some of the same pages as me in seeing/dealing with "S." I should expect nothing less of him as things progress.

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  • larrygagalarrygaga member
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    I am actually a social worker with a focus on therapy, and I say go see someone about it. 

    As a real person, i say try and go through with your wedding. I understand she is mentally ill, but is it really fair for you to postpone your life and your plans for another person? You also have to think about what is good for you and your FI, whichever choice that may be. You might lose money cancelling your wedding, but money is just money and again you need to do what's good for you. Reasonably, figure out what is important and assess your own feelings and FI's feelings (preferably by seeing someone trained. 

    EDIT: Looks like ya done did all that
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  • classyduckclassyduck member
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    OP, I believe that you needed to come here for emotional support, more than advice -- which frankly this board is not fully equipped to give, in your situation. So please, accept my ehugs. I'm so, so sorry for what you are going through. I know you are stressed and scared, but you seem very strong. I believe you will get through this. I was a case manager for several years, and one of the hardest parts of my job was watching families try and come to terms with truly debilitating and life-altering mental illness. I really respect what you are going through.

    I'm thrilled that you are seeing someone, I think that is the absolute best course of action. These are some very complex issues you are dealing with -- you don't need advice, per se, you need the skilled and therapeutic help of a professional. No amount of dissection in an internet forum will give your situation the professional attention it really needs.

    I don't mean to imply that YOU yourself, or your fiance, are in need of professional assistance, but the mental illness of S immeasurably complicates things.

    With respect to your marriage, and with the limited perspective I have on mental health, I must say, boundaries are *vital* to the health of everyone involved here -- relationship boundaries for you and your FI, and also therapeutic boundaries for S. I'm sure your therapist will assist you in finding and setting those. Also, I apologize for speculating but it sounds like S has some Axis II issues. If that is the case, I sympathize--they are a very challenging class of disorders, and can make boundaries MUCH MUCH more complicated.

    @larrygaga already hinted at this, but really, S's mental illness is not yours. It might feel like it, but ultimately, she is NOT your responsibility. It is admirable that you love her and want to help, and I hope that you are able to support her treatment in a meaningful way, if that is what you want. It is very sad that her illness is ruining her life. But, nothing is gained by allowing it to ruin yours. THAT is the boundary. If what  you want is to help, then help, but draw the line when it affects your happiness.
  • You and FI need to meet with your officiant and get focused on your relationship, and building a strong foundation for your marriage.

    Neither of you should be focused on S.

     S has plenty of family members, medical personnel, and upcoming psychological treatment and meds.

    The two of you need to be spending time together working on YOUR relationship and YOUR engagement and YOUR wedding.

  • https://www.nami.org/

    They can help you find a support group in your area for friends and family of those with mental illness.
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  • OP, I’ve been through a lot of mental illness in my family over the years so I really understand how emotionally exhausting it can be. Lots of hugs.

    What you, your FI, and his family need to understand is that enabling is NOT healthy for anyone, it only does more damage in the long run. S needs serious, professional help. Has FI’s family looked into the possibility of having her involuntarily committed to a psychiatric treatment facility? I know that sounds barbaric, but mental illness often prevents the person from seeing that there really is a problem and seeking treatment on their own. We had to do this with my dad. It is not pleasant at all, but ultimately it did help.

    With that said, I think you should postpone the wedding, to address some of the red flags that PPs have mentioned. Healthy boundaries are absolutely necessary for a successful marriage. If you can’t have those boundaries, then you need to seriously reconsider whether marrying FI is a good idea.

    Again, I really, really feel for you and I’m sorry if this sounds harsh. That’s not my intention at all. Just wanted to share my two cents based on what my family has experienced.

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  • Thank you all so much! Just "hearing" that it is "OK" that I/we focus on our wedding/marriage makes me feels so much better...it is acceptable! I feel strength from all your advice! I am so appreciative. Putting an emphasis on our relationship, I was on a see saw with thoughts of selfishness. But really, it is her illness and it does not have to make us ill.

    I have received some good news regarding "S." After about 2 weeks, she is finally diagnosed with what I have been crediting all along-Bi-polar. They also took her off of med that "aggravates" and "spikes" mania. Unbelievable-4 months ago, I questioned "S" about this specific med. I also told finance that this med was no good for her.  SO...the wonderful is....she can not be on anti-depressive meds with out anti-manic meds...they are stopping one (sedative) and starting another that will work with the lithium she takes. To lift her out of depression only sent her into a manic state. Yahooo!! TOTALLY what I have been saying! But...of course she wasnt "officially" diagnosed and who am I!  Now she is! To me...she has classic "psychomotor agitation" and this is when she is brutally aggressive. 2 weeks ago, I jumped into a convo fiance was having with psychiatrist and brought attention to this behavior.

    This is all wonderful news. Finally! I believe that giving the doctors the full picture, "outside" perspective (from me and family) really helped them. This may sound terrible, but Im so glad she couldnt speak (trach). It forced the docs to questions us.

    Fiance signed papers this morning-she is being transferred to a psyche hospital within the next 2 days AND she is now verbalizing that she wants helps. She also can not believe that she has gone this far. Once she in transferred, fiance is stepping back. He said that she needs to take control of her illness and be responsible for her recovery! :)

    I am really feeling very good and very very hopeful for her. Thank you all so much!

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  • I feel for you. There is someone in DH's immediate family who is mentally ill, however remains undiagnosed and unwilling to seek help. DH and his family learned to walk on eggshells and did not have healthy boundaries for a long time. They are still working on them.

    They get so used to the behavior that it becomes normal for them and sometimes it takes an outsider to put it into perspective. I have been that person for DH and it sounds like you are in that position as well. As long as the two of you can agree to put your relationship first, then you can work through it.

    The sick person may or may not get better, but it's vital to protect the health and sanctity of your marriage.
  • Unfortunately, I've seen effects of bi-polar in my family also.  It can definitely be difficult sometimes, especially if people aren't getting the proper treatment or the correct medications. Just a warning, any adjustments to meds can throw things way out of whack. And getting the right combinations of meds can be a big process of trial and error, especially in the beginning.  It is unlikely that they will find the correct combination of medications and the correct dosages on first try. And anytime they switch meds can trigger manic or depressive episodes. The next few weeks, months, or maybe even years, while they get the right treatments determined will likely be difficult for everyone.  Hopefully she stays in hospital long enough for them to figure out the correct treatment that will work for her, because that's much better to do while under the close supervision of professionals.  Hopefully she is sincerely ready to get treatment. My family member got put into a facility after an incident, involuntarily, and turned around and walked out the next day (they could only keep her involuntarily for 24 hour hold) and tried running away.  A couple days later she was put into different facility and finally made a real effort to get better. She was there for nearly a month, but they got a stable treatment plan figured out during that time and there haven't been any major incidences (a few minor ones, but nothing life threatening) in many years. And if she's not ready, it's not uncommon for bi-polar patients to refuse meds or stop taking them, especially at the beginning of treatment.  They get so used to the high & low feelings, that they don't feel like themselves without them. And the meds stop the mood swings, but that also means stopping the manic times where everything feels great... and some would rather refuse meds than miss those times.  But, if they are ready to get better, they realize that the treatment is needed and can move on to a normal, healthy life.

    But, that may be even more reason to keep going with plans for a happy event like your wedding.  And if S is the type to be guilt-ridden over things and use that to fuel emotions, which is sounds like she is, it may be horrible for her to have to deal the thought that she ruined your wedding plans.  She would blame herself, rightfully so, and you would probably have a lot of animosity and anger toward her too... well, more than you already do. Plus, there is all the trouble that it would cause for everyone that has already made plans and arrangements to be there. Cancelling or postponing the wedding, on account of her, could actually make her condition worse... that's a lot of guilt to live with.  And you don't know what the situation will be in 2 months from now when it comes time for wedding anyway. She may be on good meds by then and everything could be just fine. So, don't let her actions ruin your big day. 

    Hopefully things will get better now that she has a real diagnosis and can start in the direction of a correct and helpful treatment. It is definitely an illness that can be very hard on family. All you can do is roll with the punches, try to support her as much as you can, and move on with your life. Stopping your life or your plans because of her doesn't help anyone.  I wish the best for all of you.

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  • After re-reading my post, I just wanted to say that I hope it didn't scare you. Yes, it can be difficult process, but diagnosis and getting help is definitely the first step.  And if she is sincerely ready to get help, it's all uphill from here, even if she may stumble a few times on the way up. And there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel.  Like I said, my family member has been mentally healthy for many years after getting on the right combination and dose of medications.  So, no matter what, don't lose hope.  The first couple of really big steps have already been made, and those are often the hardest steps to take. And a lot of times, it takes a big action like this to wake the person up and really be ready to take treatment seriously.  Hopefully that is the case for S.

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  • I do hope for the best for S, but I also know that many bi-polar patients do not regularly take their meds.  My bi-polar uncle would only take his when he was in the low cycle, and as soon as he felt better, he would stop taking the pills.  He alienated his entire family with his outrageous behavior.  It was very difficult for his children, and they all should have had counseling, but didn't get it.
    Keep going to the counselor.  It sounds like both you and your FI needs it.  Good luck.
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  • OP, I am so happy to hear these positive developments. It will be a long, hard road through treatment but I am so glad that S has consented, that makes it a hundred times better than the alternative. I do agree with @CMGragain - it's very common for people with mental illness to believe they don't need their medication (we went through that with my dad) so FI's family should be prepared for that.

    I do still think that you should proceed cautiously as you approach marriage with FI, and seek counseling. Even though S is getting help, those red flags are still very concerning.

    Hoping that everything goes smoothly with getting S into treatment. I'll be sending you lots of good vibes!
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  • Thank you all! We have been having some great talks (fiance and family members) and everyone has agreed...no more secrets. Secrets kill. She never wants this one or that one to know when she is "ill." This concerns the entire family. We are requesting a "family" meeting (some psyche hospital call it "intervention) be held at hospital while she is in. It serves some good purposes. Everyone will get some education needed (red flags, boundaries etc) and it also gives family the opportunity to express to "S" what her behavior has done/does to them. An accountability process.

    If everyone is one the same page, united, it is better for everyone. :) So far so good!

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  • Hi All...quick up date. "S" was transferred to a psych hospital last Friday. All seemed good but now she is being her usual manipulative, stubborn self. Anyway...I need some advice. I didnt want to start a new threat and bring further attention to this situation (I hope you understand).

    There is a good chance that 'S" will not be out of hospital in time for wedding (there is also a good chance that if she is out, she may not go because of the scar). Last night me and fiance were preparing our timeline etc for photographer and DJ and it dawned on me that my fiance may not be able to dance with "S." I felt terrible when I realized it! I suggested that maybe he dance with someone else..(daughter, God mother etc) and he told me that he wouldnt dance with anyone else and that I should do mine.

    I dont know what to do personally for my dance now. Both my fathers (step) have passed on and my Uncle who I am extremely close to is suppose to dance with me. Its especially special because he has no daughter (3 sons). I don't want to not have this moment with my uncle. He's been a constant in my life, throughout my life.

    I want to make this as painless as possible for fiance. Any advice? If you were guests, what would you think if bride had her dance but groom didnt? What would you think if neither had their "parent" dances? Which would bring less attention? Is there maybe something else you can think of that I can do for him in that space of time?

    Oh boy...Im starting to get angry again. God help me.

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  • Dance with your uncle. S's behaviour shouldn't punish your uncle.

    I danced with my father and DH danced with his grandmother. She initially didn't want to, which was fine. No matter what she had done, my father and I would have had our dance.

    Dance with your uncle. Let your FI make that decision on his own.
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  • phiraphira member
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    It's okay! It's actually very new for grooms to have a special dance, so it wouldn't be at all weird for you to have your uncle-niece dance and for your fiance to not dance with anyone. So just do your dance, and then go on with the reception.

    ETA: I'm estranged from my dad, and I'm not interested in having a replacement dance. But my partner is still going to dance with his mother, so I'm just going to sit and relax while he does. The majority of our guests know about the situation, but honestly, no matter what we do, people are going to notice the absence of the father-daughter dance. Nothin' we can do, and in the end, it's irrelevant.

    No matter what my partner does, whether or not he dances with his mother, I'm still not going to dance with my dad. That's not going to change. People will still think about how my dad's not there. So, should my partner get his dance with his mother? Or should we both feel loss on our wedding day?

    Basically--your fiance doesn't have to have a special "parent" dance. But you don't have to give up yours.
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  • Thank you....you guys made me cry.

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