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I need vibes! (Possible opportunity for BF)

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BF graduated last year with a degree in Biology. He wants to get his PhD and do cancer research but when he talked to the head of admissions at his top choice school they said the one thing he was missing to make his application really strong is research experience and she suggested he just take a year and find a position in a lab and then apply. Unfortunately, he's hasn't been able to find a lab position. Several times people have been really interested and made it sound like it was going to happen and then funding fell through or they just fell off the face of the earth. It's been a super stressful and disappointing year to be honest.

So because of the difficulty in finding a lab position he decided to look at masters programs. He e-mailed a few old professors asking for letters of recommendation. The professor he was closest to recently e-mailed him, saying she didn't understand why he was settling for a masters program and that she really felt he should do a PhD. He e-mailed her back explaining the situation and how the masters is essentially plan B. Well today she responded and said she e-mailed a colleague of hers recommending him and said he takes students all the time and would probably offer him something soon. 

This would be amazing for BF. It would mean getting the experience he needs to get into the PhD program and not having to spend thousands of dollars on a masters degree. But I'm afraid to get my hopes up because this isn't the first time things have seemed really promising just for it to not work out. But any positive vibes you could send would be greatly appreciated! 

Sorry that was so long! Here's a summary for those who don't want to read all that: BF has an a really good chance at getting a lab position (which he's been trying to get for a year now) and all vibes are appreciated!


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  • YAY! How funny that his plan B may help with plan A after all. Definitely sending good vibes his way!


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  • Lots of vibes to your BF for this PhD Program! I hope y'all hear good news soon!
  • Thanks for the vibes! I'm cautiously excited.


  • Forgot to mention... would the PhD programs be willing to start him off in the master's programs and let him do research at that level first? A friend of mine with a BS in electrical engineering was REALLY interested in a PhD program for quantum computing, but since he only had a BS and didn't necessarily have a firm foundation in some aspects of the field, the school opted to put him first in a related master's program while letting him do research for the PhD program. Once he finishes all the master's stuff, he'll go straight into the PhD program. Could something like that maybe be arranged for your BF if the lab research falls through? That would make plan B into plan A essentially.


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  • phiraphira member
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    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Research experience is definitely key for so many PhD programs. My program at BU takes about 80% students who have at least a couple of years of experience, or a master's degree. It's really a noticeable difference; I think BF will be a lot less miserable in a PhD program if he gets experience first.

    Though, if he likes research, he might only need a master's ... but PhD programs are funded!
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  • phira said:
    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Research experience is definitely key for so many PhD programs. My program at BU takes about 80% students who have at least a couple of years of experience, or a master's degree. It's really a noticeable difference; I think BF will be a lot less miserable in a PhD program if he gets experience first.

    Though, if he likes research, he might only need a master's ... but PhD programs are funded!
    I'm confused by this statement. Pretty much everyone has said he would need a PhD to do research.


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    If he wants to run a lab, or teach at the college level, then yes, a PhD is a requirement. But to work as a research associate or something similar, you don't need a PhD. Granted, I'm in a region with an incredible number of biotech and pharmaceutical companies, but you definitely don't need a PhD to do research. Just to run research.
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  • Hmm...well I think ideally he does want to run research.


  • So many vibes to him!! Elijah has talked about wanting to do cancer research along with genetics when he's older.
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  • @Beanbot2002 - That's so awesome! He sounds like a pretty ambitious kid! 


  • So many vibes coming your way!
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  • Did he know he wants a PhD while he was in the bio program? It seems odd a school wouldn't push lab experience to possible PhD students (it's obviously huge in admissions). My undergrad research was not even closely related to my MS research (I left a PhD program with an MS so that I could have a life) but I knew it was expected far before my degree was done.

    Hope he gets the lab experience he needs. It's typically hard to get a job with a PhD also - so make sure he focuses on making connections both in academia and industry (he wants a program/lab that is active in goin to conferences, collaborating, etc) Also it depends on the school, but mine was more hesitant to take you if you were leaning towards industry (which is funny because a lot of their graduates end up in industry)

    Good luck to him - it's a long and hard road!
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  • Sending good vibes your way @BethSmiles!!! It took H almost a year to find work in his field after he graduated, so I know how tough it is to keep searching day after day. Keeping my finders crossed for you guys!!!
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    Wow, how exciting!! Definitely sending the vibes your/his way!!
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  • bethsmilesbethsmiles member
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    Did he know he wants a PhD while he was in the bio program? It seems odd a school wouldn't push lab experience to possible PhD students (it's obviously huge in admissions). My undergrad research was not even closely related to my MS research (I left a PhD program with an MS so that I could have a life) but I knew it was expected far before my degree was done. Hope he gets the lab experience he needs. It's typically hard to get a job with a PhD also - so make sure he focuses on making connections both in academia and industry (he wants a program/lab that is active in goin to conferences, collaborating, etc) Also it depends on the school, but mine was more hesitant to take you if you were leaning towards industry (which is funny because a lot of their graduates end up in industry) Good luck to him - it's a long and hard road!
    Yes he did, yes his professors knew he was interested in research. And no they didn't push lab experience at all and yes we're pissed about it. But what's done is done so we're just working with where he's at.

    I have no idea what "leaning towards industry" means...


  • @bethsmiles industry is like...not working at a school. So working for the NIH or a biotech company or something. Academia is the other side of the coin - this involves having a research lab at a research institution and occasionally teaching usually. I had a lot of personal conflict with putting research ahead of my teaching which is a lot of the reason I left with a MS. My PI (the professor who was boss of the lab) was also psycho :)
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  • phiraphira member
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    If he wants to run research, he can either do that in an academic lab (like at a university or hospital, or some kind of academic institute), or he can work for biotech/pharma (industry).

    Honestly, I think either way, he needs to spend a couple years working in research. Most labs require a 2-3 year commitment, given that projects tend to last multiple years. I wouldn't limit the search to just academia, if there is any industry in the area. If you want to PM me with more info about location (I am seriously not very knowledgeable about Colorado and what's "too far away") and his experience and interests, I can do some hunting around.

    But I have to warn him: if he doesn't have research experience, he really should not be so committed to definitely aiming for an advanced degree. I know a lot of people who were sure they wanted to do research who left entirely, and I know plenty of people who like research but pursued it as technicians and assistants and didn't go for an advanced degree (master's or PhD). As you've noticed, I am downright miserable in graduate school and contemplate leaving every single day, and I did have research experience.
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  • @phira so the NIH is academia? Who knew? Lol.

    I keep wanting to say how grad school eats women alive but I wonder if it's different for men. <--this makes me sad.

    The other thing is a lot of PIs don't advertise tech positions (mine didn't) so it might be worth blind emailing and seeing if anyone replies (PIs stink at email too sometimes). Definitely research their research first and frame what you do know to suit their needs. I'm AWESOME at lab safety and maintenance and learn lab techniques super quickly. If I joined a lab that ran columns all day I would let them know about my limited column experience but my excellent troubleshooting.

    Oh and his primary research before grad school doesn't HAVE to be in cancer. Those labs are hard to get into because all the med school kids want em. I personally think biochem (protein chemistry) is the most awesome but to each his own
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  • Oh and his primary research before grad school doesn't HAVE to be in cancer. Those labs are hard to get into because all the med school kids want em. I personally think biochem (protein chemistry) is the most awesome but to each his own
    Oh he definitely isn't narrowing his search by thinking the research needs to be in cancer.

    Honestly though, while I appreciate the advice and perspectives from people who have been there I'm not about to tell him to give up on getting an advanced degree because it's what he wants. If he gets in and hates it then we'll figure something out then.


  • @bethsmiles oh yea, I wouldn't recommend he give up his dreams.  I'm all for advanced degrees.  I just think it's best to go in with the understanding that it is hard work :)  The classes are truly the easy part.  You will be working 40-80 hr weeks for little pay (although my school paid me pretty decently, honestly) so you just need to make sure that you're in it for the long haul :)
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    Blue & White said: @bethsmiles oh yea, I wouldn't recommend he give up his dreams.  I'm all for advanced degrees.  I just think it's best to go in with the understanding that it is hard work :)  The classes are truly the easy part.  You will be working 40-80 hr weeks for little pay (although my school paid me pretty decently, honestly) so you just need to make sure that you're in it for the long haul :)

    Wouldn't it be great if there was a way to figure out if you
    really wanted to be in it for the long haul before you were in grad school?

    My program wasn't nearly as challenging as I imagine most science programs are but toward the end I really wanted to quit almost every day!


  • Good vibes to your BF!
  • Good luck and good vibes!!!!
  • Well thanks for all your support but it looks like it's not going to work out and the guy is kind of being a dick about it. I'm really disappointed but I'm sure not as disappointed as BF is. 


  • @bethsmiles - I'm late but I'm really sorry it didn't work out. I hope something better comes along quickly!



  • Blech. I hope the next offer is better!
  • Oh no! I'm so sorry it fell through. I'm crossing my fingers that something comes along quickly for him!


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  • Thanks everyone! This whole process has been super frustrating with things always seeming so close to working out and then not.

    @TwoDimes - I hope your SO finds something soon! It really sucks to basically be told "this is gonna happen" and then have it not!


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