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Dinner reception for family, then after-party for friends?

Hi everyone, this is my first time posting.  I don't know if this is technically an "etiquette" question, but to me it seemed like a question of "is it OK to do this?" so I figured that it would best fit under this category instead of under the "receptions" board.

Our situation is unique: FI and I won a contest with a local restaurant owner where we get a free buffet lunch or dinner + open bar for up to 50 guests for our wedding reception.  The problem is that we both have large extended families (he is very close to his, I am so-so with mine), plus several friends.  There is no way we could feasibly whittle down our friends and our family to 50.  So we are considering something along the following: inviting everyone (friends and family) to the ceremony, which would be at a separate site from the reception.  Immediately following the ceremony, we could do a cake/punch/coffee/tea/wine "mini-reception" for everyone, where we would cut the cake, since that is a part of our wedding that we want to share with everyone.  Then, we would have the buffet meal+open bar just for our family (plus 2 of our close friends who are in the wedding party, and they know our family really well), since we can't possibly whittle our family+friends down to 50.  The meal/open bar reception should last 3-4 hours.  After that, we would have an "after-party" with an open bar and appetizers/late-night snacks for our friends at a separate site (possibly the hotel where we are staying after the wedding), which would last 2-3 hours.  I know this is a lot to pack into one day, but it seems it is the only way to have both our family and our friends involved in our special day.  We would ideally love to have them all at one reception, but the venue who we won the contest through can only accommodate 50 due to the limitations of their space, and we certainly don't want to throw away what is essentially a free reception.  Since it would be a lot in one day, we were thinking of having the ceremony start around 1pm on a Saturday, with the cake/coffee/tea/wine mini-reception immediately following, and the family dinner to go from about 4-8pm (we would be taking pictures in-between), and the after party from about 9pm-12am.

So my question is, do you think this would be ok? Do you think people would be offended by this arrangement? I would love to have everyone at one place at one time, but we have no control over how many people the venue can fit, and they're giving this to us for free! Also, the reception venue where we won the dinner/open bar is not large enough to accommodate a dance floor, so that part will really just be eating and drinking/socializing, which seems to me to be more appropriate for a family affair, whereas an after party with drinks and dancing seems most appropriate for our friends (we are both early 30s, as our most of our friends).
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Re: Dinner reception for family, then after-party for friends?

  • I think it's really really incredibly rude.

    Use the free meal for a great rehearsal dinner or a bridal shower luncheon.
  • I see what you mean.  Unfortunately, it is not a case of just having to pay extra and being allowed to bring extra guests.  The space can physically only hold 50 people :(

    Do others agree?
  • It's called a tiered reception.   Some guests are hosted better than others.  It's just weird and awkward.






    What differentiates an average host and a great host is anticipating unexpressed needs and wants of their guests.  Just because the want/need is not expressed, doesn't mean it wouldn't be appreciated. 
  • Either cut your guest list, or find a different venue.  What you are proposing is called a tiered reception, where first class guests get dinner, and everybody else gets the after party.  It is one of the rudest things that you can do, and you will insult your guests!
    I like the idea of using it for your rehearsal dinner.
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  • wave2525 said:
    I see what you mean.  Unfortunately, it is not a case of just having to pay extra and being allowed to bring extra guests.  The space can physically only hold 50 people :(

    Do others agree?
    Then you either need to find a place that holds more people (letting go of your free venue) or whittle down the list to just family and those two friends.

    There is no such thing as a free lunch. It's a pretty basic concept we were taught in high school economy class. Free stuff is never completely free. There is always some price you have to pay or a sacrifice to be made. In your case, it's causing you to cut down your guest list. You need to now decide if this "free" buffet is really worth that.


    Coming from a guest who once had to deal with a gap, which is what this is, I hated hated hated it. Hated it. I'd feel super bad for your friends who would have to waste their time until it was time to meet up later.
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  • So let me get this straight. You want your friends to come to your ceremony, have a couple of drinks and some cake and then go cool their heels for 3-4 hours while the people who are more important than they are get a full meal and then they are expected head back out to party with you?  Yeah, that's rude.  

    If you want all of your friends and family to attend your wedding and reception hold them at a venue that can accommodate everyone. 
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  • I was just trying to find a way to incorporate all the people we love into our special day.  Thank you all for your feedback.  I now know this is not a good option.  However, I could have done without some of the snark.  There is a way to get your point across without talking down to someone.
  • tcnobletcnoble member
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    edited June 2014
    Why do you need to have an "after party"? If you can host ALL your guests in a cake/punch reception, do that for ALL guests immediately following the ceremony. Then if you want to, fine go do your 50 person dinner with family and call it a night. but why do you need to invite the others back for another event 3-4 hours later??? Totally unnecessary IMO.
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  • You asked your question, and we answered it.  Sorry you didn't like being told the truth.
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  • CM, I was not referring to you.  You actually responded in a way that let me know this is not OK, but were still polite about it.  Some of the others I think could have delivered the same message in a way that was not intended to talk down to me.  I appreciate your help, truly.  I just wish some others were able to communicate the same message with the same tact that you used.
  • Well, welcome to the Knot, anyway.  Here you will always get honest answers.  Answers may be blunt, but they will be honest.  We can help you with your wedding planning, but you'll need to grow a thicker skin.
    Other sites will "support" you (whatever that means!) and tell you that tiered receptions are perfectly OK, because they know other people who do it.  Then you will be wondering why some of your friends aren't so friendly anymore, because you unknowingly insulted them!  Isn't it better to find out the truth before you make a terrible mistake at your wedding?
    There are many ways to cut costs at your reception.  Do you have your budget set?  How much are you budgeting for the reception?  Changing the time of your ceremony and reception can save you a lot of money, and you still treatr your guests properly.  Check over on the Budget and DIY board.
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  • lilacck28lilacck28 member
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    edited June 2014
    One note: you mentioned a 1 pm ceremony, cake and punch to follow. How long would your ceremony be? Because 1:30 or so is still most definitely lunch time, in which case cake and punch doesn't quite cover it. I'd move the ceremony back a bit. It wouldn't be a disaster to leave it as is. Guests could eat at noon... but, like I said, cake and punch makes much more sense at 2.30 or 3 rather than 1:30.
  • wave2525 said:
    Hi everyone, this is my first time posting.  I don't know if this is technically an "etiquette" question, but to me it seemed like a question of "is it OK to do this?" so I figured that it would best fit under this category instead of under the "receptions" board.

    Our situation is unique: FI and I won a contest with a local restaurant owner where we get a free buffet lunch or dinner + open bar for up to 50 guests for our wedding reception.  The problem is that we both have large extended families (he is very close to his, I am so-so with mine), plus several friends.  There is no way we could feasibly whittle down our friends and our family to 50.  So we are considering something along the following: inviting everyone (friends and family) to the ceremony, which would be at a separate site from the reception.  Immediately following the ceremony, we could do a cake/punch/coffee/tea/wine "mini-reception" for everyone, where we would cut the cake, since that is a part of our wedding that we want to share with everyone.  Then, we would have the buffet meal+open bar just for our family (plus 2 of our close friends who are in the wedding party, and they know our family really well), since we can't possibly whittle our family+friends down to 50.  The meal/open bar reception should last 3-4 hours.  After that, we would have an "after-party" with an open bar and appetizers/late-night snacks for our friends at a separate site (possibly the hotel where we are staying after the wedding), which would last 2-3 hours.  I know this is a lot to pack into one day, but it seems it is the only way to have both our family and our friends involved in our special day.  We would ideally love to have them all at one reception, but the venue who we won the contest through can only accommodate 50 due to the limitations of their space, and we certainly don't want to throw away what is essentially a free reception.  Since it would be a lot in one day, we were thinking of having the ceremony start around 1pm on a Saturday, with the cake/coffee/tea/wine mini-reception immediately following, and the family dinner to go from about 4-8pm (we would be taking pictures in-between), and the after party from about 9pm-12am.

    So my question is, do you think this would be ok? Do you think people would be offended by this arrangement? I would love to have everyone at one place at one time, but we have no control over how many people the venue can fit, and they're giving this to us for free! Also, the reception venue where we won the dinner/open bar is not large enough to accommodate a dance floor, so that part will really just be eating and drinking/socializing, which seems to me to be more appropriate for a family affair, whereas an after party with drinks and dancing seems most appropriate for our friends (we are both early 30s, as our most of our friends).
    JIC. 

    Yes, I also agree this is very rude. Don't do it. 

    Can you use this contest package for the rehearsal dinner instead?  I know it is rude to plan one's own shower, but if someone wants to host a shower for you, can you offer the package to the host so they don't have to pay for the shower?
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  • monkeysipmonkeysip member
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    edited June 2014
    wave2525 said:
    I see what you mean.  Unfortunately, it is not a case of just having to pay extra and being allowed to bring extra guests.  The space can physically only hold 50 people :(

    Do others agree?
    Then you either need to find a place that holds more people (letting go of your free venue) or whittle down the list to just family and those two friends.

    There is no such thing as a free lunch. It's a pretty basic concept we were taught in high school economy class. Free stuff is never completely free. There is always some price you have to pay or a sacrifice to be made. In your case, it's causing you to cut down your guest list. You need to now decide if this "free" buffet is really worth that.


    Coming from a guest who once had to deal with a gap, which is what this is, I hated hated hated it. Hated it. I'd feel super bad for your friends who would have to waste their time until it was time to meet up later.
    As an economics teacher, this made me so happy.  I can only pray one of my students will say something like this in the future.

    Anyways... agree with pps.  It would be very rude to do.  I know it sucks, OP, but if you really can't whittle your guest list, you need to let go of the free wedding reception and just use this for your rehearsal or some other awesome party.  If you really want all those guests there, you'll be much happier PAYING but making your guests happy.

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  • Thank you, everyone for the feedback.  I appreciate hearing it from all of you, rather than being rude to my guests.  We will have to go back to square one and re-think the guest list...
  • lc07lc07 member
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    edited June 2014
    Agree with others that you will offend your guests. LOVE the idea of using the venue for the RD!

    ETA: OP, do you have budget concerns? Because you could always just do a late night ceremony and host the appetizers and open bar that you were going to host for the after party anyway, without having to host a dinner at all and invite all your guests to everything. Personally, I wouldn't go this route if I had OOT or out of country family/friends attending - I'd want to serve a full meal. But if everyone is local, you could have a ceremony at 8 pm or later and have the after party as the entire reception, then use the "free" venue for the RD.
  • Another idea: can this restaurant cater your wedding at another site? You could get the first 50 for free then pay the rest on top of that since their restaurant isn't big enough.

  • wave2525 said:
    I was just trying to find a way to incorporate all the people we love into our special day.  Thank you all for your feedback.  I now know this is not a good option.  However, I could have done without some of the snark.  There is a way to get your point across without talking down to someone.
    Uhg, take 'our special day' out of your vocabulary. The phrase makes me gag. 
  • auriannaaurianna member
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    edited June 2014
    wave2525 said:
    Thank you, everyone for the feedback.  I appreciate hearing it from all of you, rather than being rude to my guests.  We will have to go back to square one and re-think the guest list...
    wave2525
    A lot of first time posters come on here and get the answers they didn't want to hear and take the feedback very poorly. Thank you for being so mature despite not getting the answers you were hoping for! (I know it's probably disappointing/overwhelming to know the current plan won't work)

    I really like PPs suggestions of using it as a rehearsal dinner (assuming it does not need to be for a wedding in order to be awarded).


    If this venue is really great and you'd really like to have your wedding reception there though, here a few tips about the guest list:

    If you were waffling on this, you don't have to invite children if you don't want to. Or you don't need to invite everyone's children (people generally like circles. You could invite kids that are first cousins but not necessarily kids of first cousins, for example). As long as you don't split up families and as long as you don't write something like, "no children" on the invitation, this is a valid way to cut the list.

    You do not need to give an "and guest" to a guest that is truly single (though obviously all significant others need to be invited together).

    Now here's the biggie... you mentioned that your FI is close with his extended family and your side is only so-so. Circles within families tends to be a peace keeper... but I personally don't think they need to be the same on each side.
    If he's close to his second cousins, invite his second cousins. If you are not close with even your first cousins... just invite your aunts and uncles.
    And this one is based solely on your family dynamic, but the circle thing isn't for everyone. If you have 10 aunts and uncles and you only ever talk to one set... if you don't think it will cause some sort of family uproar, you could just invite the family members you are close to. This, however, is really dependent on your particular family and would not fly in all of them.

    Good luck!
  • Jen4948Jen4948 member
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    edited June 2014
    wave2525 said:
    I was just trying to find a way to incorporate all the people we love into our special day.  Thank you all for your feedback.  I now know this is not a good option.  However, I could have done without some of the snark.  There is a way to get your point across without talking down to someone.
    I'm sorry that you found some of the criticism that you got for this idea to be worded harshly.

    That said, your wedding is one day, and no, it isn't appropriate to do an "after-party" for people who you aren't planning to invite to the main event.  That's tiered hospitality and it's a major etiquette sin.  If you want to have your wedding at a venue that only holds 50 people, then you need to accept that not everyone can be "incorporated into your special day."  Either you need to find another venue or you need to limit your guest list to 50 people and not try to "incorporate" everyone else.
  • MGPMGP member
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    @vsgal those are some fantastic ideas!

    OP it's great you are listening and being open minded.  Tiered hospitality truly is rude.  People find out about it, especially if they were to reconvene at the end of the night.  What if a guest says to another guest "wasn't dinner delicious?" and the other says "what the Taco Bell I ate while killing 4 hours between the cake reception and this after party?" and the first guest says "no at the restaurant didn't you get an invite?"  

    Check out the "worst wedding" thread, there are countless stories of people being very hurt by tiered and inconsistent hosting.  Bottom line is - host equally or don't host them at all.

    A side comment - don't think it was very smart of the restaurant to give away that prize package.  It's quite restricting.  Unless someone already had a 50 guest list in mind (which is on the small side) it causes situations like this where the winner now feels pressured to "make it work" because it was free.  Unless there is more flexibility in the fine print, they could have done a better job coming up with something.
  • d2vad2va member
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    If I were you (and if it were possible) I would use it for rehearsal dinner!
  • Echoing the suggestion of using the restaurant package for a rehearsal dinner for your closest guests, if possible, and then just have a cake and punch reception after your wedding.

    A cake and punch reception is a perfectly appropriate way to host and thank all of your guests for supporting you on your wedding day, as long as the event isn't during a meal time. I would suggest moving your ceremony a little later so that guests will know to eat lunch before they come. It's also fine to have an after party as long as all of your guests are welcome. Just don't exclude any of your guests from part of the wedding day festivities - inevitably people would find out, and it would result in hurt feelings.
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  • nope not okay at all.

    Could you possibly convert the "free reception" into a free REHEARSAL instead??!? Can you do that the day BEFORE the wedding and then hold your normal wedding?

    If not, you CANNOT do your plan without it being considered full of etiquette snafus alllll over the place
  • SP29SP29 member
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    Vsgal had some great ideas... sell the package, use it for the RD or a shower, try to work with the restaurant to get the value in another form (gift cards, etc). Lots of options to try. But agreed- it's a tiered reception, and a no-no. What are your guests going to from 4-9pm while they wait in between your "events"?
  • use it for the rd or a bridal shower but no to tieered receptions it is a poor choice someone will find out about the dinner poeple will talk and it wont be good
  • OP has already acknowledged it is not a good plan and was working to come up with solutions on a different post. He said that the package requires it to be used as a wedding. 
  • MGP said:
    A side comment - don't think it was very smart of the restaurant to give away that prize package.  It's quite restricting.  Unless someone already had a 50 guest list in mind (which is on the small side) it causes situations like this where the winner now feels pressured to "make it work" because it was free.  Unless there is more flexibility in the fine print, they could have done a better job coming up with something.
    I don't agree with that. There's nothing wrong with a restaurant giving a package like this away. You would assume that a couple wouldn't enter a contest to win a reception in a room they can't fit their guests in. And if they did win, the couple doesn't have to use it. A prize is a prize. It's free. They can attach whatever strings they want to it.

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