Fuck people who fuck with cancer

Re: Fuck people who fuck with cancer

• msuprincess04 member

  

  July 2014

  That's crazy. I'm sorry you are going through this. As a survivor, and a believer in modern medicine, I'm here today. However, I've seen people suffer and their lives cut short because they believe differently. I love that we live in a country where people can make that decision for themselves, but still, there are moments that I would have given anything to shake someone and say "just get the fucking treatment!"

  "There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness." -Friedrich Nietzsche, "On Reading and Writing"

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• JCbride2015 member

  

  July 2014

  This makes me so mad.  As @msuprincess04 said, they have every right to refuse treatment-- but it's infuriating to watch somebody just throw away their opportunity to get better.

  
  

  I think what really gets me though about people who say they "don't believe in cancer" or chemo, and then decide they're going to some retreat to drink juice, is that they seem to be implying the suffering of others isn't real.  Or it's all in their head, or it's because they ate junk food or smoked or lived near power lines.  Yes, environmental things definitely cause cancer.  But saying you can cure it if you eat enough veggies seems to place a lot of judgment on other patients.

  
  

  Maybe it comes from a desire to feel like you have control.  It would be awfully nice if eating organic could cure cancer on its own.  I would love to have control over sickness in the world that way.

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• KatieinBkln member

  

  July 2014

  Ugh, I can totally sympathize. I believe in veggies! We should all absolutely eat more of them. But I have seen no evidence that they can cure cancer. And while I know that chemo is just really, really difficult and painful, and I can understand all the fears people have about what is essentially poisoning yourself with the intent of killing the cancer before the poison gets the rest of you, right now it's just what we have. 

  
  

  I think it can be really easy to retreat into denial with a tough diagnosis, whether it's cancer or MS or mental illness. People want to believe that things can't possibly be that bad; maybe the test was wrong or they can reverse it by eating organic or they were just having a bad day at that psych eval. I can absolutely see why the brain would want to run the opposite direction of this kind of news. But it's so painful to watch from the outside, especially knowing that every moment the person is wallowing in denial, they're actively harming themselves and delaying getting better.

  
  

  All of which is to say, I'm sending you e-hugs, afox007. 

  
  

  This baby knows exactly how I feel

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• climbingsingle member

  

  July 2014

  Ugh. That's really crazy. 

  
  

  I worry about FI. He's commented before that if he got cancer, he wouldn't get chemo or radiation. 

  
  

  And I have a former friend that a few of us are thinking is faking her cancer. How fucking crazy is that?? 

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• JCbride2015 member

  

  July 2014

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  Ugh. That's really crazy. 

  
  

  I worry about FI. He's commented before that if he got cancer, he wouldn't get chemo or radiation. 

  
  

  And I have a former friend that a few of us are thinking is faking her cancer. How fucking crazy is that?? 

  
  

  I know it happens.  Munchausen Sydrome is a real mental disorder.  It just baffles me.

  
  

  But a friend of mine had thyroid cancer in college, and two of her girlfriends accused her of faking it for the attention.  She was heartbroken and it obviously destroyed their friendship.  Again, probably stemming from denial, because who wants to think a 19-year-old could find out she's had a tumor growing for like five years?

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• climbingsingle member

  

  July 2014

  JCbride2015 said:

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  Ugh. That's really crazy. 

  
  

  I worry about FI. He's commented before that if he got cancer, he wouldn't get chemo or radiation. 

  
  

  And I have a former friend that a few of us are thinking is faking her cancer. How fucking crazy is that?? 

  
  

  I know it happens.  Munchausen Sydrome is a real mental disorder.  It just baffles me.

  
  

  But a friend of mine had thyroid cancer in college, and two of her girlfriends accused her of faking it for the attention.  She was heartbroken and it obviously destroyed their friendship.  Again, probably stemming from denial, because who wants to think a 19-year-old could find out she's had a tumor growing for like five years?

  Wow, that is really terrible!! I know of a similar situation with someone I went to HS with. She developed chronic lyme and a lot of people accused her of faking it. She wasn't and she's still sick. It's really sad. 

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• JCbride2015 member

  

  July 2014

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  JCbride2015 said:

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  Ugh. That's really crazy. 

  
  

  I worry about FI. He's commented before that if he got cancer, he wouldn't get chemo or radiation. 

  
  

  And I have a former friend that a few of us are thinking is faking her cancer. How fucking crazy is that?? 

  
  

  I know it happens.  Munchausen Sydrome is a real mental disorder.  It just baffles me.

  
  

  But a friend of mine had thyroid cancer in college, and two of her girlfriends accused her of faking it for the attention.  She was heartbroken and it obviously destroyed their friendship.  Again, probably stemming from denial, because who wants to think a 19-year-old could find out she's had a tumor growing for like five years?

  Wow, that is really terrible!! I know of a similar situation with someone I went to HS with. She developed chronic lyme and a lot of people accused her of faking it. She wasn't and she's still sick. It's really sad. 

  Ugh don't get me started on Chronic Lyme deniers.  My godmother's husband is literally wheelchair-bound because of it and his doctors just can't get rid of the infection.

  
  

  My own doctor actually thought that might be what's causing my joint problems (I had Lyme in college) but my Lyme titer actually came back normal so we don't know what's going on.  But it was really scary to think I had it, because it is very hard to treat.

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• climbingsingle member

  

  July 2014

  JCbride2015 said:

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  JCbride2015 said:

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  Ugh. That's really crazy. 

  
  

  I worry about FI. He's commented before that if he got cancer, he wouldn't get chemo or radiation. 

  
  

  And I have a former friend that a few of us are thinking is faking her cancer. How fucking crazy is that?? 

  
  

  I know it happens.  Munchausen Sydrome is a real mental disorder.  It just baffles me.

  
  

  But a friend of mine had thyroid cancer in college, and two of her girlfriends accused her of faking it for the attention.  She was heartbroken and it obviously destroyed their friendship.  Again, probably stemming from denial, because who wants to think a 19-year-old could find out she's had a tumor growing for like five years?

  Wow, that is really terrible!! I know of a similar situation with someone I went to HS with. She developed chronic lyme and a lot of people accused her of faking it. She wasn't and she's still sick. It's really sad. 

  Ugh don't get me started on Chronic Lyme deniers.  My godmother's husband is literally wheelchair-bound because of it and his doctors just can't get rid of the infection.

  
  

  My own doctor actually thought that might be what's causing my joint problems (I had Lyme in college) but my Lyme titer actually came back normal so we don't know what's going on.  But it was really scary to think I had it, because it is very hard to treat.

  It really is so hard to treat. My mom was actually one of the first cases of Lyme in our county back in the early 90s. It took a really long time to diagnose her. Thankfully she's OK today. My dad also has it and again, is mostly OK today. 

  
  

  How have you been feeling lately? 

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• Jells2dot0 mod

  

  July 2014

  Chemo sucks the big one, but I don't get it either. I know what they are pumping in me is supposed to basically bring me close to death, but there is no way I would not go through it. I've also had the chemo they use for skin cancer. I forget what it was called, but it's a cream that caused my skin to scab up. I've had two chunks of cancer removed from my stomach. It really was not traumatic or painful. It was a little mentally scary because yikes I had cancer, but now I look back on it and think that was a piece of cake.
  
  I'm so sorry that these people are being idiots.

   

  

  
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

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• mrsmagicgeek member

  

  July 2014

  Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

  

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• JCbride2015 member

  

  July 2014

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  It really is so hard to treat. My mom was actually one of the first cases of Lyme in our county back in the early 90s. It took a really long time to diagnose her. Thankfully she's OK today. My dad also has it and again, is mostly OK today. 

  
  

  How have you been feeling lately? 

  Gah, glad your mom is okay.

  
  

  Thanks for asking.  I'm just pretty much stagnant.  I had to stop physical therapy because of insurance problems, but I think just yesterday I figured it out (they seem to think I have other insurance, which I don't) so hopefully I can go back soon.

  
  

  I was just sitting here shifting around on my hip because it hurts like a mother.  Same old, same old.

  
  

  Although fun fact.  Among other things, I have ileopsoas tendinitis... "dancer's hip."  Which Marshall Eriksen had in HIMYM.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• afox007 member

  

  July 2014

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  
  

  JCbride2015 said:

  
  

  
  

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  
  

  Ugh. That's really crazy. 

  
  

  I worry about FI. He's commented before that if he got cancer, he wouldn't get chemo or radiation. 

  
  

  And I have a former friend that a few of us are thinking is faking her cancer. How fucking crazy is that?? 

  
  

  I know it happens.  Munchausen Sydrome is a real mental disorder.  It just baffles me.

  
  

  But a friend of mine had thyroid cancer in college, and two of her girlfriends accused her of faking it for the attention.  She was heartbroken and it obviously destroyed their friendship.  Again, probably stemming from denial, because who wants to think a 19-year-old could find out she's had a tumor growing for like five years?

  
  

  Wow, that is really terrible!! I know of a similar situation with someone I went to HS with. She developed chronic lyme and a lot of people accused her of faking it. She wasn't and she's still sick. It's really sad. 
  
  FSS is a total hypochondriac; he had a tick on him, not even attached just crawling around. He didn't feel good later that day so he googled Lyme, he was convince he had it, could feel the joint issue setting in.
  
  I handed him echinacea and told him the pills were antibiotics. He was "cured" in half an hour, and to this day still tells me I saved his life.
  

  

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• ohannabelle member

  

  July 2014

  Terrible. What is wrong with people? Good Lord, if cancer could be cured with vegetables, we'd be the most vegetable eating country in the universe. How can people play denial with their lives like that? Not "believing" in cancer is probably the stoopidest thing I have ever heard. Ever. And I have heard many stoopid things.

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• jdluvr06 member

  

  July 2014

  OMG... That is horrible.

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• thejucheidea member

  

  July 2014

  I'm a cancer research nurse, and it always sucks to see the people who decided that they wanted to wait it out, try a vegan diet or try homeopathic therapy instead of immediately going into conventional therapy. Those are the people we can't save. I'm all for alternative therapies in addition to conventional -- I think that acupuncture is one of the greatest things ever for nausea and many other symptoms that go along with cancer therapy -- but for the love of god, man was given these treatments to help rid bodies of mutated cells. Take what's given and run with it.

  
  

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• KatieinBkln member

  

  July 2014

  @smichek I am so sorry you're going through that. People in general and mothers in particular need to take the lesson that good intentions don't necessarily translate into good behaviors. 

  
  

  This baby knows exactly how I feel

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• JCbride2015 member

  

  July 2014

  smichek said:

  So it sounds like yall met my mom? She calls/texts/facebooks/pinterests me shit about eating clean all the time and said FI (who is 2 yrs in remission) and I are at risk for cancer if we don't start eating clean like her.
  
  FI is still immunosuppressed. He can't eat any fresh produce because if there are/were any microorganisms on it, it could cause a fatal infection in his body and kill him. KILL HIM. I have explained this to mom so many times I've lost count. I told her I feed FI cooked or canned vegetables because that's what his doctor says he can safely have. HIS DOCTOR, WHO WENT TO COLLEGE FOR 16 YEARS (I believe FI said 16) TO GET MULTIPLE DEGREES AND LEARN HOW TO TREAT CANCER. Mom's response? "Well, doctors don't tell you everything you need to know to stay healthy. Obviously they need people to get sick (not necessarily with cancer, but with anything) or they are out of a job." WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?!
  
  

  I might have mentioned this before, but my mom says things like this too.  Never mind that since she started restricting her diet, she's actually been having stomach problems (I wonder why).

  
  

  But the other day I mentioned on the phone to her that I was bummed about so many Knotties fighting cancer, and she said basically what your mom said.  She thinks the doctors and pharma companies are sitting on a cure for cancer, because they make more money by keeping people sick and coming back for more treatments.

  
  

  Seriously, Mom?  Do you actually think that?  I tried to explain that whoever cures cancer would have the biggest payday coming to them in the history of ever.  Also that there is probably no worldwide conspiracy.

  
  

  It's almost as bad as that House candidate who said AIDS is caused by unprotected sex because the sperm cells burrow into the mucus membranes and attack your immune system.

  
  

  
  

  
  

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• afox007 member

  

  July 2014

  JCbride2015 said:

  smichek said:

  So it sounds like yall met my mom? She calls/texts/facebooks/pinterests me shit about eating clean all the time and said FI (who is 2 yrs in remission) and I are at risk for cancer if we don't start eating clean like her.
  
  FI is still immunosuppressed. He can't eat any fresh produce because if there are/were any microorganisms on it, it could cause a fatal infection in his body and kill him. KILL HIM. I have explained this to mom so many times I've lost count. I told her I feed FI cooked or canned vegetables because that's what his doctor says he can safely have. HIS DOCTOR, WHO WENT TO COLLEGE FOR 16 YEARS (I believe FI said 16) TO GET MULTIPLE DEGREES AND LEARN HOW TO TREAT CANCER. Mom's response? "Well, doctors don't tell you everything you need to know to stay healthy. Obviously they need people to get sick (not necessarily with cancer, but with anything) or they are out of a job." WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?!
  
  

  I might have mentioned this before, but my mom says things like this too.  Never mind that since she started restricting her diet, she's actually been having stomach problems (I wonder why).

  
  

  But the other day I mentioned on the phone to her that I was bummed about so many Knotties fighting cancer, and she said basically what your mom said.  She thinks the doctors and pharma companies are sitting on a cure for cancer, because they make more money by keeping people sick and coming back for more treatments.

  
  

  Seriously, Mom?  Do you actually think that?  I tried to explain that whoever cures cancer would have the biggest payday coming to them in the history of ever.  Also that there is probably no worldwide conspiracy.

  
  

  It's almost as bad as that House candidate who said AIDS is caused by unprotected sex because the sperm cells burrow into the mucus membranes and attack your immune system.

  That was basically FI's ex's logic on why she doesn't believe in cancer. Not even that the doctors made B sick, but that no one actually has cancer and doctors just make money off of treating them for an imaginary illness. 

  

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• KatieinBkln member

  

  July 2014

  The "doctors have incentive to keep you sick" argument is very strange to me. I do think that sometimes the way funding for large studies is allocated CAN result in research that focuses on more lucrative vs. more helpful products (i.e. I do resent a bit the dollars that went into figuring out how to keep dicks hard over cancer research) but to say that individual doctors are involved in some conspiracy? That's nuts. I know a lot of doctors/healthcare professionals, and every single one of them A. gives a shit about their patients and B. are deeply logical, thoughtful people who do not give off "I'm in the Illuminati" vibes in the slightest.

  
  

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• thejucheidea member

  

  July 2014

  My mom's a brain cancer survivor and never says shit like that about clean eating and how doctors need people sick to make lots of money.

  
  

  I like being able to tell people I work for Big Pharma, since our paychecks are paid for by the money we get from study companies for administering and collecting data on their drugs. It's amazing that those people who bitch about Big Pharma shut up IMMEDIATELY when they're in the same room as someone who actually participates in clinical research and patient care every day. They know they're wrong.

  
  

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• afox007 member

  

  July 2014

  ohannabellesmichek stupid doesn't even begin to describe this woman. Sadly this is only slightly worse than 99% of the shit that comes out of her mouth. 

  

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• sophhabobopha member

  

  July 2014

  That makes me think of the people who let their children die from easily treated illnesses because "it's god's will". Puuuuke.

  

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• Jells2dot0 mod

  

  July 2014

  smichek said:

  So it sounds like yall met my mom? She calls/texts/facebooks/pinterests me shit about eating clean all the time and said FI (who is 2 yrs in remission) and I are at risk for cancer if we don't start eating clean like her.
  
  FI is still immunosuppressed. He can't eat any fresh produce because if there are/were any microorganisms on it, it could cause a fatal infection in his body and kill him. KILL HIM. I have explained this to mom so many times I've lost count. I told her I feed FI cooked or canned vegetables because that's what his doctor says he can safely have. HIS DOCTOR, WHO WENT TO COLLEGE FOR 16 YEARS (I believe FI said 16) TO GET MULTIPLE DEGREES AND LEARN HOW TO TREAT CANCER. Mom's response? "Well, doctors don't tell you everything you need to know to stay healthy. Obviously they need people to get sick (not necessarily with cancer, but with anything) or they are out of a job." WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK?!
  
  We were just at a check up with the doctor two days ago and I made a point of asking him about fresh and/or organic produce and he said FI can't have it. I asked about vitamins or supplements (which my mom takes about 16 of a day) and he said aside from B-12 and a multivitamin, FI can't have them. I texted my mom this and she never responded, which is so unlike her because for every text I send her I usually get three in return.
  
  
  

  I totally get this. I'm on a neutropenic diet as well- no veggies, fruits, meats that could potentially be under cooked. I am so tired of people telling me I need to eat more fruits and veggies. Go organic and clean, Jells!!! UGH. I really can't do that! Leave me alone and let me enjoy my kraft mac and cheese in peace.

   

  

  
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

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• Jells2dot0 mod

  

  July 2014

  smichek said:

  @Jells2dot0 I will eat kraft mac n cheese with you and laugh as all the people with skinny girl problems (did you see that video/thread yesterday?) judge/envy us.
  

  I didn't see that thread! On here or another board?
  
  Does your FI take B12? I was thinking of ordering some, but wasn't sure if it was worth it.
  

   

  

  
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

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• afox007 member

  

  July 2014

  @Jells2dot0http://forums.theknot.com/discussion/1033034/pinterest-porn-for-white-woman#latest but now that I shared I get to join the mac n cheese party!

  
  

  

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• afox007 member

  

  July 2014

  smichek said:

  afox007 said:

  @Jells2dot0http://forums.theknot.com/discussion/1033034/pinterest-porn-for-white-woman#latest but now that I shared I get to join the mac n cheese party!

  
  

  MAC AND CHEESE FOR EVERYONE!
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  

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• hellosweetie1015 member

  

  July 2014

  ClimbingBrideNY said:

  Ugh. That's really crazy. 

  
  

  I worry about FI. He's commented before that if he got cancer, he wouldn't get chemo or radiation. 

  
  

  And I have a former friend that a few of us are thinking is faking her cancer. How fucking crazy is that?? 

  My cousin's ex-wife actually did fake having cancer. The place she was working did a collection for her to pay for her "treatments" and she tried to get custody of their daughter changed so she could "get more time while she could" and over the course of the proceedings they found out that she did not, in fact, have cancer.

  
  

  Not long after that, Crazysauce tried to run my cousin and their daughter off the road. For real bitch was crazy.

  

  
  

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• Jells2dot0 mod

  

  July 2014

  Mmmm Mac and Cheese Mmmmm

   

  

  
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

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• KatieinBkln member

  

  July 2014

  Ugh, you jerks! Now I am deeply dissatisfied with the soup I just ate for lunch. NOTHING BUT KRAFT MAC 'N CHEESE WILL SUFFICE NOW!

  
  

  This baby knows exactly how I feel

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• hellosweetie1015 member

  

  July 2014

  @smichek Telling you. This woman is for real nuttier than squirrel shit. 

  

  
  

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