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Update on my situation

For anyone that remembers me and my long saga, I have an update. For a refresher, see

http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_speaking-of-convalidations

and http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_kind-of-update

Cliff notes - I am Catholic, my boyfriend is not. I've had my annulment processed already as it was the short form, but he has to do the long form. Due to my age and fertility issues, we wanted to get married sooner rather than later, but I also wanted a traditional Catholic wedding. At my last meeting with my priest in January, he told us that it would be totally fine to get married civilly, and then once the annulment comes through, we could have a regular wedding. He even commented on how funny it was that Americans would come dressed in jeans for their ceremony, while Hispanics would do it up like a regular wedding, with a wedding dress, bridal party, etc.

So since we heard directly from the horse's mouth that this plan would be fine, we started making plans. We decided to elope to the Dominican Republic this October, and then have our wedding later. We completely booked our trip.

In order to speed things along, I called my parish to set up our marriage prep to get it out of the way, plus I thought premarital counseling prior to our civil marriage was a good idea. While speaking to the lady that schedules the marriage prep, I explained our plans. She was HORRIFIED. She said under no circumstances would the Monsignor ever allow such a thing, and she has never seen it done in the 15 years she has worked there. To be certain, she double checked with the Monsignor, and confirmed it was out of the question. We could have a convalidation, but it is nothing like a wedding ceremony. She said maybe the priest was confused based on what they did in his previous parish, but they do not do it at my church.

To say that we were shocked and upset is an understatement. We planned everything and booked our honeymoon based on what we were told, and now we've been told it won't happen?! I contacted the main church for our Diocese, and explained the situation with my health, and asked if they would let us have a regular wedding in the future. They were very sympathetic and understanding. After conferring with them and writing a letter explaining my situation, they told us this: they would allow us to have a wedding, but we had to write a letter promising that we would not tell anyone of our marriage. It had to be kept a complete secret, anyone attending the wedding had to think it was our "real" wedding. The only people we are allowed to tell are our parents.

I thought long and hard about this, and while I am very grateful for their generosity and understanding, I don't think it will work because after we are married, we will of course be moving in together. That means we will have to let all of our family and friends think that we are living together without being married. While I'm sure for some this would not be a big deal, this would really bother me. If I got a few negative comments about us living together, I would probably end up spilling the beans out of a wish to preserve our reputations, and thus would violate my promise to the church. They said if at any point during the wedding planning process it comes to light that people know about our marriage, they would call it off and require us to have a traditional convalidation.

So, long story short, I think we are going to wait for his annulment to come through, as hard as that will be for us. I simply cannot give up having a Catholic wedding, and experiencing the grace of the Sacrament the way it was originally intended. I have come to the church later in life (I'm 29) and having made a committment to be Catholic, I just do not feel right turning my back on it now. We have already submitted all of his paperwork to the Tribunal, so we are just praying that it gets approved as quickly as possible. We are hoping for a tentative wedding date of October 2012. We have notified his witnesses to let us know ASAP as soon as they get their paperwork from the Tribunal, so that we can answer any questions about filling it out and getting it back right away.

So I guess moral of the story is - double and triple check everything you are told. We were given so much misinformation on this topic it's not even funny.

Any prayers you can offer that this will go through as quickly as possible will be greatly appreciated. I'm trying very hard to have faith that everything will work out the way that He intends, and for the best, and that I will be rewarded with easy fertility when our time comes, despite the long wait.

Re: Update on my situation

  • mica178mica178 member
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    edited December 2011
    SoHappy -- (what do you prefer that we call you?)  I'm so sorry that you've been getting mixed messages about your wedding plans.  What a pain.  

    I am glad that you're sticking to your goal of having a Catholic wedding.  I will say a prayer for you that your paperwork gets processed quickly and that this round of plans will work out.  

    And I don't consider 29 old at all.  That's how old my mother was when she got married, and she and my father waited 5 years to have me (their firstborn) and had no pregnancy/health issues with us kids.  Heck, I'm 33, and I think that the clock hasn't quite started ticking yet.  You have time to do things the right way, and good for you for making that decision!
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_update-situation?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:cb3a6d0f-8b7b-4cd1-ad04-adf95950903ePost:a9736064-ab8a-480a-9425-5fa36eb7166e">Re: Update on my situation</a>:
    [QUOTE]SoHappy -- (what do you prefer that we call you?)  I'm so sorry that you've been getting mixed messages about your wedding plans.  What a pain.   I am glad that you're sticking to your goal of having a Catholic wedding.  I will say a prayer for you that your paperwork gets processed quickly and that this round of plans will work out.   And I don't consider 29 old at all.  That's how old my mother was when she got married, and she and my father waited 5 years to have me (their firstborn) and had no pregnancy/health issues with us kids.  Heck, I'm 33, and I think that the clock hasn't quite started ticking yet.  You have time to do things the right way, and good for you for making that decision!
    Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

    You can call me Erika. :) I know that 29 is not old, but I will be turning 30 very soon. I already have endometriosis, fibroid tumors of the uterus, and ovarian cysts, and suffer chronic pain as a result. NONE of the women in my mother's family kept their uterus past the age of 28, so I am a bit of an anomaly. My sister has endometriosis, and it took her 2 years to get pregnant with her first, and she was only 26 at the time. It took her over a year to get pregnant with her 2nd. She just recently had to have a hysterectomy. So based on my medical condition, as well as my family history, plus the fact that fertility declines at 25, 30, and again at 35, it's not looking too good for me. I was really hoping I could have two kids, but I guess we will just have to see.
  • doctabroccolidoctabroccoli member
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    edited December 2011
    I'll just call you SoHappy as well if that's okay.  Edit:  Okay, Erika then!

    That really sucks that you were misinformed.  The whole covalidation thing definitely seems like a parish-by-parish decision, as per our discussion in the other thread.  But I'm glad you've come to a decision that you are a peace with!  It will be here before you know it!  FI and I have had an 18 month engagement, and now it's like "Woah, where'd the time go?"
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_update-situation?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:cb3a6d0f-8b7b-4cd1-ad04-adf95950903ePost:46a63131-4dc9-4a60-9b74-64cde7df2c43">Re: Update on my situation</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Update on my situation : You can call me Erika. :) I know that 29 is not old, but I will be turning 30 very soon. I already have endometriosis, fibroid tumors of the uterus, and ovarian cysts, and suffer chronic pain as a result. NONE of the women in my mother's family kept their uterus past the age of 28, so I am a bit of an anomaly. My sister has endometriosis, and it took her 2 years to get pregnant with her first, and she was only 26 at the time. It took her over a year to get pregnant with her 2nd. She just recently had to have a hysterectomy. So based on my medical condition, as well as my family history, plus the fact that fertility declines at 25, 30, and again at 35, it's not looking too good for me. I was really hoping I could have two kids, but I guess we will just have to see.
    Posted by SoHappyToBeMrsC[/QUOTE]

    It sounds like your family history is pretty rough, and I understand your concern.

    To interject a little hope for you - my mom had very similar issues, and was told to have a very hard time getting pregnant.  She had 3 children, no problem, starting at age 29.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_update-situation?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:cb3a6d0f-8b7b-4cd1-ad04-adf95950903ePost:a96b2004-1f20-4836-acdc-f52c6eb50255">Re: Update on my situation</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'll just call you SoHappy as well if that's okay. That really sucks that you were misinformed.  The whole covalidation thing definitely seems like a parish-by-parish decision, as per our discussion in the other thread.  But I'm glad you've come to a decision that you are a peace with!  It will be here before you know it!  FI and I have had an 18 month engagement, and now it's like "Woah, where'd the time go?"
    Posted by doctabroccoli[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, it's not really the length of the engagement that bothers me, it's just that the longer we wait, the harder it will be for me to get pregnant. It probably won't be easy now that I'm 29, I can't imagine it will be easier at 32-33. It stresses me out to think that we may not be able to have children because of the wait, but I guess there's not too much I can do about it right now. I am just concentrating on being as healthy as possible, losing weight, getting into shape and taking my vitamins, so that when the time comes I will be physically ready. Those are really the only factors I can control at this point.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_update-situation?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:cb3a6d0f-8b7b-4cd1-ad04-adf95950903ePost:3641931d-0d54-44e0-9227-7182b97566e2">Re: Update on my situation</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Update on my situation : It sounds like your family history is pretty rough, and I understand your concern. To interject a little hope for you - my mom had very similar issues, and was told to have a very hard time getting pregnant.  She had 3 children, no problem, starting at age 29.
    Posted by Meg1036[/QUOTE]

    Thanks, I really hope that will be the case for me too.
  • doctabroccolidoctabroccoli member
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_update-situation?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:cb3a6d0f-8b7b-4cd1-ad04-adf95950903ePost:0af5a10a-fc12-4c2f-aabc-21889c9a4e72">Re: Update on my situation</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Update on my situation : Yeah, it's not really the length of the engagement that bothers me, it's just that the longer we wait, the harder it will be for me to get pregnant. It probably won't be easy now that I'm 29, I can't imagine it will be easier at 32-33. It stresses me out to think that we may not be able to have children because of the wait, but I guess there's not too much I can do about it right now. I am just concentrating on being as healthy as possible, losing weight, getting into shape and taking my vitamins, so that when the time comes I will be physically ready. Those are really the only factors I can control at this point.
    Posted by SoHappyToBeMrsC[/QUOTE]

    Sounds like you have a good plan :).  I'm a big believer that everything happens for a reason.  I'm sure it will all work out the way it's supposed to.
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    Waiting to meet the baby broccoli on 5/5/2013!
  • mica178mica178 member
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    edited December 2011
    Erika-- you're right that endometriosis makes it more difficult to become pregnant and maintain that pregnancy, but it's still not impossible.  I know women with endometriosis who are older than you who are now proud mothers of healthy babies.  I will say a prayer that when your time comes, you will be blessed too.
  • edited December 2011
    Thanks ladies. :) I appreciate your prayers very much.
  • Calypso1977Calypso1977 member
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    edited December 2011
    erika, that is terrible.  however, you have provided a great example of what i've tried to say on other threads in that priests are often misinformed or give bad advice/guidance that is not in line with church teaching.  its hard, considering you should be able to know the guidance you receive is correct/legit.    i'm sorry you experienced this, but i think your story is a great example to others.

    i feel confident that God is on your side and that he will bless you with many children as a result of your willingness to do the right thing.

    i hope the priest who misguided you receives some counseling from the diocese.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_update-situation?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:cb3a6d0f-8b7b-4cd1-ad04-adf95950903ePost:c05aa3f7-4c75-4948-adbe-64a270f06a18">Re: Update on my situation</a>:
    [QUOTE]erika, that is terrible.  however, you have provided a great example of what i've tried to say on other threads in that priests are often misinformed or give bad advice/guidance that is not in line with church teaching.  its hard, considering you should be able to know the guidance you receive is correct/legit.    i'm sorry you experienced this, but i think your story is a great example to others.<strong> i feel confident that God is on your side and that he will bless you with many children as a result of your willingness to do the right thing</strong>. i hope the priest who misguided you receives some counseling from the diocese.
    Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

    Thank you, me too.

    Now I feel like crying, LOL.
  • Calypso1977Calypso1977 member
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    edited December 2011
    well, geez, dont do that!  :-)~
  • catarntinacatarntina member
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    edited December 2011
    I hope that every thing works out for you and that God may bless you with the children you so desire.

    I commend you for doing the right thing, as hard as it is to wait under your circumstances. Keeping your marriage a secret would not be good ... There's just so many reasons why that wouldn't work out.

    Good luck to you!  I hope your fiance's annulment goes through, and goes through quickly.
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  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_update-situation?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:cb3a6d0f-8b7b-4cd1-ad04-adf95950903ePost:c05aa3f7-4c75-4948-adbe-64a270f06a18">Re: Update on my situation</a>:
    [QUOTE]erika, that is terrible.  however, you have provided a great example of what i've tried to say on other threads in that priests are often misinformed or give bad advice/guidance that is not in line with church teaching.  its hard, considering you should be able to know the guidance you receive is correct/legit.    i'm sorry you experienced this, but i think your story is a great example to others.<strong> i feel confident that God is on your side and that he will bless you with many children as a result of your willingness to do the right thing.</strong> i hope the priest who misguided you receives some counseling from the diocese.
    Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

    I was going to say almost the exact same thing, but I don't want you to start crying on me, now! I'll just tell you that I will keep you in my prayers. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />
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  • edited December 2011
    Let me add my sympathies and prayers to the PPs. I was horrified when I saw that they suggested you keep your marriage a secret...what an awful thing to tell someone to do, even if it does seem to be for the right reasons. You've kind of had a Sophie's Choice with all of this, and it can't be easy.

    Though it means you have to wait, I think you will be glad you decided to opt for the Catholic wedding. We decided the same, even if it meant waiting, and though we're still waiting for the second instance on mine, we are so glad we decided to go for the annulments. Planning the Catholic wedding has made us happy beyond our expectations.

    Prayers, prayers, prayers!
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  • edited December 2011
    Thank you so much ladies. It really means a lot. He just told me that when he met with the annulment coordinator, she told him the paperwork read so well, that if all the witnesses get their stuff turned in ASAP, she thinks it will go through within a year. She also has connections at the Tribunal, and says she will start calling in a few months, because the "squeaky wheel gets the grease". So I'm trying to stay hopeful!
  • edited December 2011
    Stay hopeful, SoHappy! I hope and pray too that it will be resolved in a year.

    We thought mine would be essentially a "slam-dunk," and we never dreamed that his would even be affirmed. When he called and said he got the letter from the tribunal, I just sat down and cried, and thanked God over and over. I still can't believe that we're getting married in the Church...I *still* get teary when I think about it. Now, mine hasn't been affirmed in the second instance, but I have faith that all will work out.

    Again, hopes and prayers for a fast resolution...these guys were so helpful when I was feeling despair, so come here when things get tough.

    Linda
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  • edited December 2011
    Just wanted to add some words of encouragement. My mom had terrible problems with the same thing and it took her 12 years before she became pregnant. They almost gave up. Then I was born my two younger sisters quickly followed :) I also have had problems with cysts (ov and other) and may not be able to have kids. It may be more difficult to conceive, but it doesn't mean you can't. From your posts it seems like you have faced a lot of difficulties on the path to marrying your FI and building your life together. I admire you for sticking to your guns and not taking the easy way out.
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