Dr. Laura & the "N" Word

Lenore2010 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:b4873130-55c4-42c5-964a-83f539ffa178">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : This is true. As far as I can tell the NAACP isn't trying to kill anyone, they are just going for equal rights, even if they are misguided at times.
Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

<div>Indeed, ANY group is going to have its excesses and its extremist members, but overall I think the NAACP is a good organization, though I disagree with some of their positions.</div><div>
</div><div>On another note, I think it would probably be best if the ENTIRE population stopped with the N word-I do not think it is possible to own it, I think it is just a continuation of ugly. However, as a white person I would personally never feel comfortable telling a black person not to use it. I do feel comfortable saying I think white people should not use it because it is basically always going to come across as a racial slur.</div><div>
</div><div>Someone here said they have an issue with a man using the word "bitch", but not a woman (or something like that!). I agree. "Bitch" from a man seems to frequently mean "someone who is not doing what I say/agreeing with me". From a woman, it is another perspective completely.</div>

526SadieSadie · August 2010

Laura Schlessinger has never attained the title of Doctor of anything. She's not a medical doctor, a Ph.D or a psychologist. She's a fake, phony, evil, prejudiced woman who should have been off the air ten years ago.

Steph0871 · August 2010

yeah yeah. I guess I shouldn't have said they're one of the most racist groups. I think part of my concern is that they really only care about the black population.

According to FI, they are rather racist against other minority groups, which bugs me. If you want to fight for equal rights, fight for everyone to be treated fairly, regardless of skin color or nationality.

MarriedInAFever · August 2010

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[QUOTE]yeah yeah. I guess I shouldn't have said they're one of the most racist groups. I think part of my concern is that they really only care about the black population. According to FI, they are rather racist against other minority groups, which bugs me. <strong> If you want to fight for equal rights, fight for everyone to be treated fairly, regardless of skin color or nationality.
</strong>Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

Well, that is their mission. I would also need some kind of evidence or credible source that they are racist against other minorities, other than your FI. No offense intended.

betrothed123 · August 2010

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[QUOTE]According to FI, they are rather racist against other minority groups, which bugs me. If you want to fight for equal rights, fight for everyone to be treated fairly, regardless of skin color or nationality.
Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]
I have seen no evidence of them being racist. Where did your FI get his info?

I completely disagree that they have to push for equal rights for everyone. They are fighting for a group of people they perceive to be the underdog because that's the cause they chose. IMHO saying they should fight for everyone is like saying PETA should fight for human rights because they are animals too. It's just not a cause that the group has decided to fight for and that's within their rights.

Steph0871 · August 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : Well, that is their mission. I would also need some kind of evidence or credible source that they are racist against other minorities, other than your FI. No offense intended.
Posted by MarriedInAFever[/QUOTE]

None taken. FI is really into all of this stuff, so I'll ask him for his 'proof' at some point today :) I didn't believe him either at first...

SarahSmile23 · August 2010

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[QUOTE]Maybe her point was that black comics shouldn't use the word either, not even in an "owning it" way; that the word needs to just be expunged from everyone's vocab regardless of your race. If that's her opinion, I don't see anything offensive about it.
Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]
this is exactly what i was going to say.

SarahSmile23 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:d8f762af-6526-4b74-b80b-5c694076bab6">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : Indeed, ANY group is going to have its excesses and its extremist members, but overall I think the NAACP is a good organization, though I disagree with some of their positions. On another note, I think it would probably be best if the ENTIRE population stopped with the N word-I do not think it is possible to own it, I think it is just a continuation of ugly.<strong> However, as a white person I would personally never feel comfortable telling a black person not to use it.</strong> I do feel comfortable saying I think white people should not use it because it is basically always going to come across as a racial slur. Someone here said they have an issue with a man using the word "bitch", but not a woman (or something like that!). I agree. "Bitch" from a man seems to frequently mean "someone who is not doing what I say/agreeing with me". From a woman, it is another perspective completely.
Posted by Lenore2010[/QUOTE]

i feel perfectly comfortable saying that everybody should stop using it and that by some groups continuing to use it they are causing confusion about what is or isn't acceptable. either everybody can use it or nobody should use it. i feel the same way about men saying "bitch." i say it, so they have a right to say it, too.

betrothed123 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:ace3132b-2484-4c55-8865-86a51561f9ed">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : i feel perfectly comfortable saying that everybody should stop using it and that by some groups continuing to use it they are causing confusion about what is or isn't acceptable. either everybody can use it or nobody should use it. i feel the same way about men saying "bitch." i say it, so they have a right to say it, too.
Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

I fully agree with this.

goheels05 · August 2010

I don't think all of them want equal rights, I think many of them want special rights, despite the original intent of the organization. If that's not the case, then they really need to rethink some of their publicity strategies.

Maybe Steph's FI was referencing the Lee Alcorn controversy as an example of racism towards other minorities.

SadieSadie, that's interesting. I was just about to comment that I can't take anyone seriously who refers to him or herself as Dr. Firstname.

beatlesgirl25 · August 2010

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[QUOTE]Laura Schlessinger has never attained the title of Doctor of anything. She's not a medical doctor, a Ph.D or a psychologist. She's a fake, phony, evil, prejudiced woman who should have been off the air ten years ago.
Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]

I've heard this too, and it irks me when people do this. Like Dr. Phil... even though he did get his doctorate and became a licensed psychologist, he also lost his license to practice for awhile for having sex with one of his clients, who was ALSO working for him. That's a double whammy no-no of psych ethics right there.

goheels05 · August 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : I've heard this too, and it irks me when people do this. Like Dr. Phil... even though he did get his doctorate and became a licensed psychologist, he also lost his license to practice for awhile for having sex with one of his clients, who was ALSO working for him. That's a double whammy no-no of psych ethics right there.
Posted by beatlesgirl25[/QUOTE]

::blinks::

Lenore2010 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:ace3132b-2484-4c55-8865-86a51561f9ed">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : i feel perfectly comfortable saying that everybody should stop using it and that by some groups continuing to use it they are causing confusion about what is or isn't acceptable. either everybody can use it or nobody should use it. i feel the same way about men saying "bitch." i say it, so they have a right to say it, too.
Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

<div>I do not have some kind of a hissy when men do the "bitch" thing, but I think that the intent behind the use of a word is far more important than the word itself.</div><div>
</div><div>I agree that some confusion is being created about what is or is not acceptable by black people continuing to use the N word. A 14 year old hearing Sinbad on HBO use it does not always register a context, or understand the history and just thinks it is okay. I would say THAT to Sinbad myself, so you and B just may have a point. An unqualified "black people should not use that word either" is not something I would feel comfortable saying to a black person.</div>

goheels05 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:0a534b70-7f2d-4ee1-a010-0786546ff2da">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : Ha! I didn't know any of this until I was in my second year of grad school. They told us about it in our ethics class. It happened in the 70s or something, and he regained use of his license so no one really talks about it anymore. But I still have clients who will tell me they think they have such-and-such disorder because of what Dr. Phil says, despite my attempts at psychoeducation. I don't really respect him much, truth be told.
Posted by beatlesgirl25[/QUOTE]

Yeah a few years ago when he was all "I'm not holding myself out as a psychologist, I'm holding myself out as an entertainer" or whatever he said, um, then why is your show called DOCTOR Phil, douchebag?

526SadieSadie · August 2010

I had had it with her when she called gay people "genetic mistakes" or something along those lines, maybe she used the word "mutation"... "biological error" something indicating that while gay people are gay because of their genetics, the gay gene is caused by a mutation similar to a birth defect. Whatever it was that she said, really, really pissed me off.

If any of you are into feminist theory or women's studies, read an excerpt from her book "The Care and Feeding of Husbands" it's shocking. She more or less says that we as women have a duty to be in make up and high heels cooking, cleaning, making babies and blowing our husbands daily or we fail.

I wanted to take a dump in her mouth when I read that in my FemTheory class.

SarahSmile23 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:76edd20e-563d-4ae5-b266-be4c5e8289f0">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]I had had it with her when she called gay people "genetic mistakes" or something along those lines, maybe she used the word "mutation"... "biological error" something indicating that while gay people are gay because of their genetics, the gay gene is caused by a mutation similar to a birth defect. Whatever it was that she said, really, really pissed me off. If any of you are into feminist theory or women's studies, read an excerpt from her book "The Care and Feeding of Husbands" it's shocking. <strong>She more or less says that we as women have a duty to be in make up and high heels cooking, cleaning, making babies and blowing our husbands daily or we fail.</strong> I wanted to take a dump in her mouth when I read that in my FemTheory class.
Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]

maybe she is really a man and her/his goal is to turn us all into stepford wives?

betrothed123 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:76edd20e-563d-4ae5-b266-be4c5e8289f0">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]I had had it with her when she called gay people "genetic mistakes" or something along those lines,<strong> maybe she used the word "mutation"... "biological error" something indicating that while gay people are gay because of their genetics, the gay gene is caused by a mutation similar to a birth defect. </strong> Whatever it was that she said, really, really pissed me off. If any of you are into feminist theory or women's studies, read an excerpt from her book "The Care and Feeding of Husbands" it's shocking. She more or less says that we as women have a duty to be in make up and high heels cooking, cleaning, making babies and blowing our husbands daily or we fail. I wanted to take a dump in her mouth when I read that in my FemTheory class.
Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]
Not that I agree with her thought process, but if she truly used the word mutation, that in itself is not a negative word. In fact, the majority of mutations occur because they are beneficial to the creature they occurred in. So in other words, if you're going to think of homosexuality as caused by some sort of mutated gene, it could be argued that mutation occurred for a damned good reason and is beneficial to humans in general.

Lenore2010 · August 2010

B is absolutely correct from a scientific point of view on the genetic mutation deal, but I wonder if Dr Laura even knows that. For a PHD or whatever she is suppose to be, she never struck me as terribly bright.

Near as I could tell, she went very anti gay around 2005 AND got further and further out in her feelings about the traditional role of women.

I always thought it interesting that she and her compats from earlier years (such as the author of "the Total Woman" and another freak who gave us "The Surrendered Wife") were always telling women to get back in/stay in the kitchen (accept while giving BJ's on demand, of course) BUT seemed to have thriving careers themselves. Interesting.

beatlesgirl25 · August 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : Yeah a few years ago when he was all "I'm not holding myself out as a psychologist, I'm holding myself out as an entertainer" or whatever he said, um, then why is your show called DOCTOR Phil, douchebag?
Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

Exactly! And he can't fully detach his advice from the roots of psychology, because otherwise he'd just be some random dude giving advice on daytime tv. He depends on his background to gain credibility with his audience, so it's just a sticky situation all around.

goheels05 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:76edd20e-563d-4ae5-b266-be4c5e8289f0">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]I had had it with her when she called gay people "genetic mistakes" or something along those lines, maybe she used the word "mutation"... "biological error" something indicating that while gay people are gay because of their genetics, the gay gene is caused by a mutation similar to a birth defect. Whatever it was that she said, really, really pissed me off. If any of you are into feminist theory or women's studies, read an excerpt from her book "The Care and Feeding of Husbands" it's shocking. She more or less says that we as women have a duty to be in make up and high heels cooking, cleaning, making babies and blowing our husbands daily or we fail. I wanted to take a dump in her mouth when I read that in my FemTheory class.
Posted by 526SadieSadie[/QUOTE]

LOL. I wanted to take a dump in her mouth just from reading the title of the book.

sarah0725 · August 2010

I don't want to wade into the whole Dr. Laura mess because well, it's just noise, but Beatles, I just wanted to say that it's pretty adorable that your strongly worded opinion of Dr. Phil is that you "don't respect him much."

beatlesgirl25 · August 2010

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[QUOTE]I don't want to wade into the whole Dr. Laura mess because well, it's just noise, but Beatles, I just wanted to say that it's pretty adorable that your strongly worded opinion of Dr. Phil is that you "don't respect him much."
Posted by sarah0725[/QUOTE]

Haha! Well, I may have some other choice words for him, but I feel like having zero respect for his clinical judgment is something he might value amongst his colleagues in the field. Not that he gives a rat's ass who I am or that we're colleagues, but I still think of it in those terms. Also, I know there are Dr. Phil fans everywhere, and I don't want to offend anyone. :)

sarah0725 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:208d4eaa-180d-421b-ae95-4fe5a0808d35">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : Haha! Well, I may have some other choice words for him, but I feel like having zero respect for his clinical judgment is something he might value amongst his colleagues in the field. Not that he gives a rat's ass who I am or that we're colleagues, but I still think of it in those terms. Also, I know there are Dr. Phil fans everywhere, and I don't want to offend anyone. :)
Posted by beatlesgirl25[/QUOTE]

Like I said, adorable. :)

[Deleted User] · August 2010

I want to be the meat in a Dr. Laura and Dr. Phil sandwich. Oh wait. I think I did that wrong. Nevermind.

beatlesgirl25 · August 2010

Hahaha, Cew that image is just ripe for analysis. I love how your mind works!

526SadieSadie · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:ed383d61-4b0b-40c2-af67-a50a7feb7ba2">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word : Not that I agree with her thought process, but if she truly used the word mutation, that in itself is not a negative word. In fact, the majority of mutations occur because they are beneficial to the creature they occurred in. So in other words, if you're going to think of homosexuality as caused by some sort of mutated gene, it could be argued that mutation occurred for a damned good reason and is beneficial to humans in general.
Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

I agree in and of itself, "mutation" isn't a negative thing, but the way she meant it was crystal clear. She meant mutation as in abohrration, as in mistake, as in never should happen if gestation and growth goes well in the womb.

SarahSmile23 · August 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_dr-laura-n-word?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:752d325b-4174-4de8-adca-235121d96e0ePost:9d274729-837d-4666-b0a9-66163b409f41">Re: Dr. Laura & the "N" Word</a>:
[QUOTE]I want to be the meat in a Dr. Laura and Dr. Phil sandwich. Oh wait. I think I did that wrong. Nevermind.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]
oh cew. <3

green hamburgers.

goheels05 · August 2010

ha!

offboard.

Kimmie*K · August 2010

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[QUOTE]Maybe her point was that black comics shouldn't use the word either, not even in an "owning it" way; that the word needs to just be expunged from everyone's vocab regardless of your race. If that's her opinion, I don't see anything offensive about it.
Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with this.

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