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  • charlottesmom0626charlottesmom0626 member
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    bellaluna290 said:
    ShesSoCold said:
    charlottesmom0626 said:
    Oh my god. I watch this show in marathons when FI is away. Anna's comment made me cringe. "Progress makes babies"...?! It truly makes it seem like these women are so uneducated....don't touch men, NO FRONTAL HUGS, but you better start making babies ASAP. Not to mention Jill's already pregnant. Guys: real talk, you think they plan their weddings around ovulation cycles?
    I bet they don't believe in ovulation cycles. I bet they think God makes you ovulate when He's ready for you to give birth. 
    I'm pretty sure they do, which is why they all get married .5 seconds after being engaged.

    @ShesSoCold‌ you're so right. It's hard for me to think without science.
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  • charlottesmom0626charlottesmom0626 member
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    Alsoooo I heard a rumor that Jessa and Ben had their first kiss before their wedding because they felt that was a moment they warned to share privately. I seriously hope this is true and they're breaking the mold.

     She seems sarcastic and throws a lot of shade, so I think she's my Duggar spirit animal.
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  • AprilH81AprilH81 member
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    charlottesmom0626 said:
    Alsoooo I heard a rumor that Jessa and Ben had their first kiss before their wedding because they felt that was a moment they warned to share privately. I seriously hope this is true and they're breaking the mold.

     She seems sarcastic and throws a lot of shade, so I think she's my Duggar spirit animal.
    Who knows if they did/did not, but they did NOT kiss at the altar.  They did it privately after the ceremony and the minister offered up a kiss between Jim Bob and Michelle so everyone could see "a Duggar kiss" which is just stupid (and I'm a fan of the show).

    I read a gossip rag site this morning that Jim Bob and Michelle were/are furious and trying to force TLC to edit the wedding episode so that it doesn't show their shocked faces when the minister made the announcement during the ceremony.  I took it with a very large grain of salt...
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  • beetherybeethery member
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    AprilH81 said:
    BrandNewJ said:
    I only saw the wedding and engagement episode, but I'm definitely intrigued, and have questions.

     Aren't there 2 kids between Josh and Jill who aren't married? What's up with that? Jana and John David (twins) are not married or courting as far as the public is aware.

    They keep saying the couple chose not to hold hands before getting engaged or kiss before being married, that's not true right? It is true as far as we can tell.  Josh (oldest) did the same during his courtship to Anna.

    That's what they've grown up believing is right? I'm not sure how much is "family tradition" and how much is the viewpoint of the Quiverfull movement that they are a part of. Jim Bob and Michelle try to get us to believe the kids set their own standards, but I'm pretty skeptical since they all conveniently set the same standards for themselves.

    Is Jill already pregnant? Yes, the baby was conceived on/shortly after the honeymoon.

    Is there a reason Josh and Anna are naming all their kids M names? Same concept as all of the Duggar kids having "J" names.

    Also, I love how they comment that 1,000 people isn't a lot when you think about it but when you see it, it's huge. Well yeah... That's because by the time Josie has kids your family alone will be over a thousand people. The kiss was weird, but they're a cute couple. While I find Jim Bob creepy, I find Michelle to be much much worse. 
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    Josh and Anna initially said they weren't going to have a million kids. She miscarried a couple times and now is on the constant baby train.

    I saw about 5 seconds of the pre-wedding episode where Josh was talking and his smug fucking attitude about being out in DC made me want to castrate him.
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  • princessleia22princessleia22 member
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    jenna8984 said:
    The thing that weirds me out about couples who wait for marriage is that EVERYONE knows when they have sex. I mean, if we know that they're waiting for marriage, and they're married, EVERYONE knows that they banged. That would make me feel VERY uncomfortable. Like, it's all anyone can think about. That would make me feel really...uncomfortable and gross.
    Same here! I read a blog (may have been posted on here don't remember) about a girl who made it very clear she was waiting to everyone who knew her. She said it had become so much of who she was a person "the good virgin girl" that once she got married and had sex, she felt ashamed and no longer herself since that was her whole identity and now it was gone.

    It's really sad when that happens.  That's the downside to religions pushing so hard on just saying "no sex" and "sex is bad" while you are young. Even if the statements are followed by "until marriage", you still are essentially training your brain to think of sex something that is wrong.  Then all of a sudden you get married and have to instantly change your view on it and instantly retrain your brain to think that sex is allowed and even awesome.  And typically church avoids talking about sex, even after marriage, so you really don't have much help in transitioning your mind from "sex is bad" to "sex is good". You just get thrown in the deep end and have to figure it out on your own.  And it's not always an easy transition to make and often takes time.

    I'm actually currently reading a book that talks about this subject: http://www.amazon.com/Xes-Church-Girls-Backwards-Right/dp/0692028684/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415214686&sr=8-1&keywords=xes  I was raised in church and definitely got the "sex is bad" lectures as a kid, but am not a religious person anymore.  The book is a Christian book, but still a good read if you aren't really religious and makes some good points on making any marriage stronger. I didn't wait until marriage for sex, but even after marriage, part of my brain still has a hard time with fully thinking of sex as being okay.  Especially with my parents... they had always only told me "sex is wrong before marriage", and I still have a hard time accepting that they approve of me having a sex life now.

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    jenna8984 said:
    The thing that weirds me out about couples who wait for marriage is that EVERYONE knows when they have sex. I mean, if we know that they're waiting for marriage, and they're married, EVERYONE knows that they banged. That would make me feel VERY uncomfortable. Like, it's all anyone can think about. That would make me feel really...uncomfortable and gross.
    Same here! I read a blog (may have been posted on here don't remember) about a girl who made it very clear she was waiting to everyone who knew her. She said it had become so much of who she was a person "the good virgin girl" that once she got married and had sex, she felt ashamed and no longer herself since that was her whole identity and now it was gone.
    I remember reading that article somewhere, and felt so sad for the author. I say this as someone who is also waiting for marriage (although I'm not a virgin) - it makes me really sad to see how the purity movement has hurt so many people.

    Re: the Duggar girls, I suspect they've been indoctrinated to believe that their whole "identity" is going to be mother of a bajillion kids. I imagine they might feel the same type of disillusionment if they had trouble conceiving right after marriage.
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  • AprilH81AprilH81 member
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    blabla89 said:
    jenna8984 said:
    The thing that weirds me out about couples who wait for marriage is that EVERYONE knows when they have sex. I mean, if we know that they're waiting for marriage, and they're married, EVERYONE knows that they banged. That would make me feel VERY uncomfortable. Like, it's all anyone can think about. That would make me feel really...uncomfortable and gross.
    Same here! I read a blog (may have been posted on here don't remember) about a girl who made it very clear she was waiting to everyone who knew her. She said it had become so much of who she was a person "the good virgin girl" that once she got married and had sex, she felt ashamed and no longer herself since that was her whole identity and now it was gone.
    I remember reading that article somewhere, and felt so sad for the author. I say this as someone who is also waiting for marriage (although I'm not a virgin) - it makes me really sad to see how the purity movement has hurt so many people.

    Re: the Duggar girls, I suspect they've been indoctrinated to believe that their whole "identity" is going to be mother of a bajillion kids. I imagine they might feel the same type of disillusionment if they had trouble conceiving right after marriage.
    I remember Anna talking about having trouble conceiving just a few months after her wedding to Josh.  It was a little sad but at the time I just thought she REALLY wanted kids (which may still be the case).
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  • anjemonanjemon member
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    blabla89 said:
    jenna8984 said:
    The thing that weirds me out about couples who wait for marriage is that EVERYONE knows when they have sex. I mean, if we know that they're waiting for marriage, and they're married, EVERYONE knows that they banged. That would make me feel VERY uncomfortable. Like, it's all anyone can think about. That would make me feel really...uncomfortable and gross.
    Same here! I read a blog (may have been posted on here don't remember) about a girl who made it very clear she was waiting to everyone who knew her. She said it had become so much of who she was a person "the good virgin girl" that once she got married and had sex, she felt ashamed and no longer herself since that was her whole identity and now it was gone.
    I remember reading that article somewhere, and felt so sad for the author. I say this as someone who is also waiting for marriage (although I'm not a virgin) - it makes me really sad to see how the purity movement has hurt so many people.

    Re: the Duggar girls, I suspect they've been indoctrinated to believe that their whole "identity" is going to be mother of a bajillion kids. I imagine they might feel the same type of disillusionment if they had trouble conceiving right after marriage.
    Oh man. I feel so bad for whichever Duggar child has the most trouble conceiving. It's got to be super hard and painful to be going through that, but also have it be your identity your whole life. And then your whole family is just babies all the time. Sigh. I actually hope it doesn't happen because it makes me sad.

    Now if they chose to not have babies, different story more power to them.

    @beethery I hate Josh. He's so insufferable. Also creeps me out. I feel sorry for Ana and wonder how he managed to land her.


    bellaluna290 said:
    ShesSoCold said:
    charlottesmom0626 said:
    Oh my god. I watch this show in marathons when FI is away. Anna's comment made me cringe. "Progress makes babies"...?! It truly makes it seem like these women are so uneducated....don't touch men, NO FRONTAL HUGS, but you better start making babies ASAP. Not to mention Jill's already pregnant. Guys: real talk, you think they plan their weddings around ovulation cycles?
    I bet they don't believe in ovulation cycles. I bet they think God makes you ovulate when He's ready for you to give birth. 
    I'm pretty sure they do, which is why they all get married .5 seconds after being engaged.
    By the time they get around to getting engaged, I would be ready to be married in .5 seconds too! They have to "court" and be chaperoned by people all the time. It'd be exhausting. By the time you get to engagement you've probably made up your mind already and all that's left is the planning.
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