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How Long After

I would have preferred posting this in Snarky Brides but my ultimate question is an etiquette one soooo..

tl:dr version- FI are getting married in May of this year with 15 people present. FOG tells us he'd like to plan a celebration (not a PPD) a month afterwards for family and friends.  Due to reasons i'll elaborate on below, this needs to be postponed. How long after our wedding is it still ok to plan a celebration like this?  Would having a marriage celebration this fall be so far after the fact that its deemed rude?

So here's the deal- FI got engaged last fall after almost 5 years of dating, and planned our wedding for May as he was set to deploy again shortly thereafter. We are paying for it ourselves as we are both 32 and didnt feel it was appropriate to accept money from my dad at this age. My dad offered, but there was no reason to accept as we had saved money for this, and umm, we're adults.  We budgeted $10k for our intimate wedding, we rented out a B&B for the entire Memorial Day Weekend and paid for everyone (hence the bulk of the cost for only 15 people), including travel costs for guests. It became our dream wedding, and I feel that I shouldnt have to defend what we're doing since we're paying.  FOG offered, and kept offering, to throw us a 'celebration' so extended family and friends could also celebrate with us at a later date. It took some convincing but we finally said what the hell, and accepted his generous offer.  We were thinking of a casual BBQ or something similar, he had other plans (kept saying open bar, live band, etc etc. We side eyed it as we knew he had no clue what that actually would cost him)  So FI's deployment this summer was cancelled, and instead another is on the books for a year from now. We technically have plenty of time, but are unwilling to change our plans for our original wedding as its perfect for us. Anyways, the last 2 months we've been trying to plan, or at least talk about the celebration in any form, and FOG has constantly said "dont worry about it." Its not ok, apparently, to discuss financial anything on that side of the family. Well now we're 3 months out, and not only is nothing planned, we still cant get a budget out of him more than "just dont worry about it." At some point he had told us he had a venue booked for a specific Saturday in June, through a family member that could get a discount on the venue fee. Upon being pressed for details, it turns out he had merely hoped he'd be able to get in on that date, but instead kept telling us "dont worry about it." It turns out the venue with the massive discount had been booked up more than a year in advance (duh) and he didnt know what to do.  Ok, well FI and I voiced our opinion that we should just scratch the whole thing as it was superfluous in our eyes anyways.  As it turns out, FOG paid for 8 airline tickets for some random-ass distant relatives to fly in from Ireland on that specific date in June. And since he generously paid for their travel expenses, he was no longer able to pay for anything other than a venue fee for the whole shindig.  

I still want to cancel the whole ordeal as its not needed or really wanted, but FI says we'd be crucified as his dad just dropped waaay too much money for these people coming from IRELAND (that we've never met), and other family members and friends have already been told on some level that there will be a celebration coming. The drafted guestlist he had given us was 90 people. That doesnt inlude any of our friends, FI's army buddies, FI's firehouse, my circle, my family etc. His dad paid for these international airline tickets without any sort of date being set, or invitations or anything.  Thats a fucking amazing contribution! But.... Now we feel cornered into covering the costs for this damn celebration (that we never wanted) so FOG isnt screwed on those tickets.

Well between the wedding and modest HM we're paying for, we're maxed out. Its embarrassing to admit but we're spending $15k total on everything we wanted, and refuse to just start throwing a credit card around for FOG to "host" a party he isnt paying for (minus a venue fee).  However, we decided to do the right thing and plan a budget-friendly party for everyone...again, not something we actually want to do, but now we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.. Our problem (of many) is: we need a few months to save enough even for a smaller celebration as we're spending every penny we can afford on our wedding as it is. FOG asked us to scale back on our wedding, or cancel the HM so WE can pay for the party he wants.  Nope.  WHAT TO DO?!

Besides cancelling his hypothetical celebration and dealing with that fallout, we decided to plan a damn celebration but postpone it a few more months.  At that point we could afford the fee to change the tickets he purchased, and have a modest celebration this fall. So the ultimate question: How long after our actual wedding is it considered rude to have this "celebration?"  It just seems weird to me, to have a wedding then 5 months later throw a party in honor of ourselves. Embarrassing actually.

Help.  
I just dont want to be side-eyed or talked about after the fact.


Caveat- to any other military brides out there that might say "but for military reasons you can do whatever you want!" Just shove it.  We've been through 2 deployments together and we refuse to let the army dictate more than it already does.  We saved up for the wedding we wanted instead of getting married for government benefits.  (We purchased a house with his deployment money, instead of a huge blowout wedding because of our personal priorities).

Also- we are planning on about 175 maximum at this little celebration. My mom is 12th out of 13 kids, and FI's Irish Catholic family consistently has like 60+ people at holidays.  We've pared down as much as we can to be able to invite his battle buddies and our personal friends. This whole debacle is the main reason we didnt plan a big wedding to begin with. Guestlist could be 300+ without even batting an eye.



So yeah, thoughts on having a celebration 5 months after our local wedding with no deployment dictating timeframe? Or how bad is it if I tell FOG "sorry" and just cancel the whole thing anyways....  Please help :(
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  • edited March 2015
    I tried to read the whole thing, but started skimming 2/3 of the way.

    Does he have a backyard? Tell him to take the venue budget and host a backyard BBQ picnic 

    If he nieces it being a wedding celebration and make sit a family reunion he could make it a potluck. Just hold it on Sunday instead of Saturday. No wedding photos, no wedding celebration toast or announcements. Just family hanging out.

    Daddy screw the pooch on this one. Don't invite your friends, don't even invite your family. Have dad host an event he can adjured or make him cancel. Only invite the 90 he has on his list. If you want 175 people then you need to find a way to help pay for it.
    yogadevil said:

    I would have preferred posting this in Snarky Brides but my ultimate question is an etiquette one soooo..


    tl:dr version- FI are getting married in May of this year with 15 people present. FOG tells us he'd like to plan a celebration (not a PPD) a month afterwards for family and friends.  Due to reasons i'll elaborate on below, this needs to be postponed. How long after our wedding is it still ok to plan a celebration like this?  Would having a marriage celebration this fall be so far after the fact that its deemed rude?

    So here's the deal- FI got engaged last fall after almost 5 years of dating, and planned our wedding for May as he was set to deploy again shortly thereafter. We are paying for it ourselves as we are both 32 and didnt feel it was appropriate to accept money from my dad at this age. My dad offered, but there was no reason to accept as we had saved money for this, and umm, we're adults.  We budgeted $10k for our intimate wedding, we rented out a B&B for the entire Memorial Day Weekend and paid for everyone (hence the bulk of the cost for only 15 people), including travel costs for guests. It became our dream wedding, and I feel that I shouldnt have to defend what we're doing since we're paying.  FOG offered, and kept offering, to throw us a 'celebration' so extended family and friends could also celebrate with us at a later date. It took some convincing but we finally said what the hell, and accepted his generous offer.  We were thinking of a casual BBQ or something similar, he had other plans (kept saying open bar, live band, etc etc. We side eyed it as we knew he had no clue what that actually would cost him)  So FI's deployment this summer was cancelled, and instead another is on the books for a year from now. We technically have plenty of time, but are unwilling to change our plans for our original wedding as its perfect for us. Anyways, the last 2 months we've been trying to plan, or at least talk about the celebration in any form, and FOG has constantly said "dont worry about it." Its not ok, apparently, to discuss financial anything on that side of the family. Well now we're 3 months out, and not only is nothing planned, we still cant get a budget out of him more than "just dont worry about it." At some point he had told us he had a venue booked for a specific Saturday in June, through a family member that could get a discount on the venue fee. Upon being pressed for details, it turns out he had merely hoped he'd be able to get in on that date, but instead kept telling us "dont worry about it." It turns out the venue with the massive discount had been booked up more than a year in advance (duh) and he didnt know what to do.  Ok, well FI and I voiced our opinion that we should just scratch the whole thing as it was superfluous in our eyes anyways.  As it turns out, FOG paid for 8 airline tickets for some random-ass distant relatives to fly in from Ireland on that specific date in June. And since he generously paid for their travel expenses, he was no longer able to pay for anything other than a venue fee for the whole shindig.  

    I still want to cancel the whole ordeal as its not needed or really wanted, but FI says we'd be crucified as his dad just dropped waaay too much money for these people coming from IRELAND (that we've never met), and other family members and friends have already been told on some level that there will be a celebration coming. The drafted guestlist he had given us was 90 people. That doesnt inlude any of our friends, FI's army buddies, FI's firehouse, my circle, my family etc. His dad paid for these international airline tickets without any sort of date being set, or invitations or anything.  Thats a fucking amazing contribution! But.... Now we feel cornered into covering the costs for this damn celebration (that we never wanted) so FOG isnt screwed on those tickets.

    Well between the wedding and modest HM we're paying for, we're maxed out. Its embarrassing to admit but we're spending $15k total on everything we wanted, and refuse to just start throwing a credit card around for FOG to "host" a party he isnt paying for (minus a venue fee).  However, we decided to do the right thing and plan a budget-friendly party for everyone...again, not something we actually want to do, but now we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.. Our problem (of many) is: we need a few months to save enough even for a smaller celebration as we're spending every penny we can afford on our wedding as it is. FOG asked us to scale back on our wedding, or cancel the HM so WE can pay for the party he wants.  Nope.  WHAT TO DO?!

    Besides cancelling his hypothetical celebration and dealing with that fallout, we decided to plan a damn celebration but postpone it a few more months.  At that point we could afford the fee to change the tickets he purchased, and have a modest celebration this fall. So the ultimate question: How long after our actual wedding is it considered rude to have this "celebration?"  It just seems weird to me, to have a wedding then 5 months later throw a party in honor of ourselves. Embarrassing actually.

    Help.  
    I just dont want to be side-eyed or talked about after the fact.


    Caveat- to any other military brides out there that might say "but for military reasons you can do whatever you want!" Just shove it.  We've been through 2 deployments together and we refuse to let the army dictate more than it already does.  We saved up for the wedding we wanted instead of getting married for government benefits.  (We purchased a house with his deployment money, instead of a huge blowout wedding because of our personal priorities).

    Also- we are planning on about 175 maximum at this little celebration. My mom is 12th out of 13 kids, and FI's Irish Catholic family consistently has like 60+ people at holidays.  We've pared down as much as we can to be able to invite his battle buddies and our personal friends. This whole debacle is the main reason we didnt plan a big wedding to begin with. Guestlist could be 300+ without even batting an eye.



    So yeah, thoughts on having a celebration 5 months after our local wedding with no deployment dictating timeframe? Or how bad is it if I tell FOG "sorry" and just cancel the whole thing anyways....  Please help :(

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  • yogadevil said:

    I would have preferred posting this in Snarky Brides but my ultimate question is an etiquette one soooo..


    tl:dr version- FI are getting married in May of this year with 15 people present. FOG tells us he'd like to plan a celebration (not a PPD) a month afterwards for family and friends.  Due to reasons i'll elaborate on below, this needs to be postponed. How long after our wedding is it still ok to plan a celebration like this?  Would having a marriage celebration this fall be so far after the fact that its deemed rude?

    So here's the deal- FI got engaged last fall after almost 5 years of dating, and planned our wedding for May as he was set to deploy again shortly thereafter. We are paying for it ourselves as we are both 32 and didnt feel it was appropriate to accept money from my dad at this age. My dad offered, but there was no reason to accept as we had saved money for this, and umm, we're adults.  We budgeted $10k for our intimate wedding, we rented out a B&B for the entire Memorial Day Weekend and paid for everyone (hence the bulk of the cost for only 15 people), including travel costs for guests. It became our dream wedding, and I feel that I shouldnt have to defend what we're doing since we're paying.  FOG offered, and kept offering, to throw us a 'celebration' so extended family and friends could also celebrate with us at a later date. It took some convincing but we finally said what the hell, and accepted his generous offer.  We were thinking of a casual BBQ or something similar, he had other plans (kept saying open bar, live band, etc etc. We side eyed it as we knew he had no clue what that actually would cost him)  So FI's deployment this summer was cancelled, and instead another is on the books for a year from now. We technically have plenty of time, but are unwilling to change our plans for our original wedding as its perfect for us. Anyways, the last 2 months we've been trying to plan, or at least talk about the celebration in any form, and FOG has constantly said "dont worry about it." Its not ok, apparently, to discuss financial anything on that side of the family. Well now we're 3 months out, and not only is nothing planned, we still cant get a budget out of him more than "just dont worry about it." At some point he had told us he had a venue booked for a specific Saturday in June, through a family member that could get a discount on the venue fee. Upon being pressed for details, it turns out he had merely hoped he'd be able to get in on that date, but instead kept telling us "dont worry about it." It turns out the venue with the massive discount had been booked up more than a year in advance (duh) and he didnt know what to do.  Ok, well FI and I voiced our opinion that we should just scratch the whole thing as it was superfluous in our eyes anyways.  As it turns out, FOG paid for 8 airline tickets for some random-ass distant relatives to fly in from Ireland on that specific date in June. And since he generously paid for their travel expenses, he was no longer able to pay for anything other than a venue fee for the whole shindig.  

    I still want to cancel the whole ordeal as its not needed or really wanted, but FI says we'd be crucified as his dad just dropped waaay too much money for these people coming from IRELAND (that we've never met), and other family members and friends have already been told on some level that there will be a celebration coming. The drafted guestlist he had given us was 90 people. That doesnt inlude any of our friends, FI's army buddies, FI's firehouse, my circle, my family etc. His dad paid for these international airline tickets without any sort of date being set, or invitations or anything.  Thats a fucking amazing contribution! But.... Now we feel cornered into covering the costs for this damn celebration (that we never wanted) so FOG isnt screwed on those tickets.

    Well between the wedding and modest HM we're paying for, we're maxed out. Its embarrassing to admit but we're spending $15k total on everything we wanted, and refuse to just start throwing a credit card around for FOG to "host" a party he isnt paying for (minus a venue fee).  However, we decided to do the right thing and plan a budget-friendly party for everyone...again, not something we actually want to do, but now we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.. Our problem (of many) is: we need a few months to save enough even for a smaller celebration as we're spending every penny we can afford on our wedding as it is. FOG asked us to scale back on our wedding, or cancel the HM so WE can pay for the party he wants.  Nope.  WHAT TO DO?!

    Besides cancelling his hypothetical celebration and dealing with that fallout, we decided to plan a damn celebration but postpone it a few more months.  At that point we could afford the fee to change the tickets he purchased, and have a modest celebration this fall. So the ultimate question: How long after our actual wedding is it considered rude to have this "celebration?"  It just seems weird to me, to have a wedding then 5 months later throw a party in honor of ourselves. Embarrassing actually.

    Help.  
    I just dont want to be side-eyed or talked about after the fact.


    Caveat- to any other military brides out there that might say "but for military reasons you can do whatever you want!" Just shove it.  We've been through 2 deployments together and we refuse to let the army dictate more than it already does.  We saved up for the wedding we wanted instead of getting married for government benefits.  (We purchased a house with his deployment money, instead of a huge blowout wedding because of our personal priorities).

    Also- we are planning on about 175 maximum at this little celebration. My mom is 12th out of 13 kids, and FI's Irish Catholic family consistently has like 60+ people at holidays.  We've pared down as much as we can to be able to invite his battle buddies and our personal friends. This whole debacle is the main reason we didnt plan a big wedding to begin with. Guestlist could be 300+ without even batting an eye.



    So yeah, thoughts on having a celebration 5 months after our local wedding with no deployment dictating timeframe? Or how bad is it if I tell FOG "sorry" and just cancel the whole thing anyways....  Please help :(
    I would just cancel the whole thing.  This is all FOG's doing and his problem that he decided to buy tickets for family from Ireland.  I can't believe he wanted you to cancel the HM that you planned and are paying for, so that you can pay for "his" party.  You and FI are perfectly happy with your current wedding plans, as is.  FOG is the one who is not happy with your current plans, which is why he wants to have this marriage celebration at a later date.  

    This should come from FI since it is his dad, "FOG, we love you and appreciate all that you have attempted to plan for this party.  But at this point, we cannot contribute to it financially.  I'm sorry if your current plans cannot be realized now."
  • yogadevilyogadevil member
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    edited March 2015

    I tried to read the whole thing, but started skimming 2/3 of the way. Lol I got longwinded, sorry.


    Does he have a backyard? Tell him to take the venue budget and host a backyard BBQ picnic He lives in a small townhouse with no backyard.

    If he nieces it being a wedding celebration and make sit a family reunion he could make it a potluck. Just hold it on Sunday instead of Saturday. No wedding photos, no wedding celebration toast or announcements. Just family hanging out. There is already no photos or toasts/announcements. Yes, its meant to be a family hangout thing. And i'm not doing a potluck at a party i'm hosting.

    Daddy screw the pooch on this one. Don't invite your friends, don't even invite your family. Have dad host an event he can adjured or make him cancel. Only invite the 90 he has on his list. If you want 175 people then you need to find a way to help pay for it. He is not willing to pay for his 90 beyond the location fee he's contributing. We would be paying for the party he's planning. If we are inviting the 175 max, we would be paying for the entire thing as well, and need a few months to save for even a modest gathering at that point.  Thats why I was asking how far past our actual wedding is it acceptable to have a celebration.
    I would have preferred posting this in Snarky Brides but my ultimate question is an etiquette one soooo..

    tl:dr version- FI are getting married in May of this year with 15 people present. FOG tells us he'd like to plan a celebration (not a PPD) a month afterwards for family and friends.  Due to reasons i'll elaborate on below, this needs to be postponed. How long after our wedding is it still ok to plan a celebration like this?  Would having a marriage celebration this fall be so far after the fact that its deemed rude?

    So here's the deal- FI got engaged last fall after almost 5 years of dating, and planned our wedding for May as he was set to deploy again shortly thereafter. We are paying for it ourselves as we are both 32 and didnt feel it was appropriate to accept money from my dad at this age. My dad offered, but there was no reason to accept as we had saved money for this, and umm, we're adults.  We budgeted $10k for our intimate wedding, we rented out a B&B for the entire Memorial Day Weekend and paid for everyone (hence the bulk of the cost for only 15 people), including travel costs for guests. It became our dream wedding, and I feel that I shouldnt have to defend what we're doing since we're paying.  FOG offered, and kept offering, to throw us a 'celebration' so extended family and friends could also celebrate with us at a later date. It took some convincing but we finally said what the hell, and accepted his generous offer.  We were thinking of a casual BBQ or something similar, he had other plans (kept saying open bar, live band, etc etc. We side eyed it as we knew he had no clue what that actually would cost him)  So FI's deployment this summer was cancelled, and instead another is on the books for a year from now. We technically have plenty of time, but are unwilling to change our plans for our original wedding as its perfect for us. Anyways, the last 2 months we've been trying to plan, or at least talk about the celebration in any form, and FOG has constantly said "dont worry about it." Its not ok, apparently, to discuss financial anything on that side of the family. Well now we're 3 months out, and not only is nothing planned, we still cant get a budget out of him more than "just dont worry about it." At some point he had told us he had a venue booked for a specific Saturday in June, through a family member that could get a discount on the venue fee. Upon being pressed for details, it turns out he had merely hoped he'd be able to get in on that date, but instead kept telling us "dont worry about it." It turns out the venue with the massive discount had been booked up more than a year in advance (duh) and he didnt know what to do.  Ok, well FI and I voiced our opinion that we should just scratch the whole thing as it was superfluous in our eyes anyways.  As it turns out, FOG paid for 8 airline tickets for some random-ass distant relatives to fly in from Ireland on that specific date in June. And since he generously paid for their travel expenses, he was no longer able to pay for anything other than a venue fee for the whole shindig.  

    I still want to cancel the whole ordeal as its not needed or really wanted, but FI says we'd be crucified as his dad just dropped waaay too much money for these people coming from IRELAND (that we've never met), and other family members and friends have already been told on some level that there will be a celebration coming. The drafted guestlist he had given us was 90 people. That doesnt inlude any of our friends, FI's army buddies, FI's firehouse, my circle, my family etc. His dad paid for these international airline tickets without any sort of date being set, or invitations or anything.  Thats a fucking amazing contribution! But.... Now we feel cornered into covering the costs for this damn celebration (that we never wanted) so FOG isnt screwed on those tickets.

    Well between the wedding and modest HM we're paying for, we're maxed out. Its embarrassing to admit but we're spending $15k total on everything we wanted, and refuse to just start throwing a credit card around for FOG to "host" a party he isnt paying for (minus a venue fee).  However, we decided to do the right thing and plan a budget-friendly party for everyone...again, not something we actually want to do, but now we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.. Our problem (of many) is: we need a few months to save enough even for a smaller celebration as we're spending every penny we can afford on our wedding as it is. FOG asked us to scale back on our wedding, or cancel the HM so WE can pay for the party he wants.  Nope.  WHAT TO DO?!

    Besides cancelling his hypothetical celebration and dealing with that fallout, we decided to plan a damn celebration but postpone it a few more months.  At that point we could afford the fee to change the tickets he purchased, and have a modest celebration this fall. So the ultimate question: How long after our actual wedding is it considered rude to have this "celebration?"  It just seems weird to me, to have a wedding then 5 months later throw a party in honor of ourselves. Embarrassing actually.

    Help.  
    I just dont want to be side-eyed or talked about after the fact.


    Caveat- to any other military brides out there that might say "but for military reasons you can do whatever you want!" Just shove it.  We've been through 2 deployments together and we refuse to let the army dictate more than it already does.  We saved up for the wedding we wanted instead of getting married for government benefits.  (We purchased a house with his deployment money, instead of a huge blowout wedding because of our personal priorities).

    Also- we are planning on about 175 maximum at this little celebration. My mom is 12th out of 13 kids, and FI's Irish Catholic family consistently has like 60+ people at holidays.  We've pared down as much as we can to be able to invite his battle buddies and our personal friends. This whole debacle is the main reason we didnt plan a big wedding to begin with. Guestlist could be 300+ without even batting an eye.



    So yeah, thoughts on having a celebration 5 months after our local wedding with no deployment dictating timeframe? Or how bad is it if I tell FOG "sorry" and just cancel the whole thing anyways....  Please help :(




  • Yeah..... I would have your FI tell his dad that you two cannot contribute any money to his party. and he can cancel it. It's not your problem or your fault that he screwed up the planning and money so badly. Don't be forced into throwing a big bash when it's not something you wanted at all - you even said you guys had to be convinced into accepting the offer, and now he wants you to pay for it? no freakin way!

    and, i love your mindset. 
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  • He told you not to worry about it, so you don't. If he presses for money, tell him that you appreciate the effort put forth a party but you guys are unable to contribute. Rinse and repeat as often as necessary. If that means it has to be cancelled, so be it.

    This is ALL on him and it's not cool of him to try and pressure you guys for money or to sacrifice parts of your wedding because he screwed up.

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  • To be completely and totally honest I would tell FOG that you're sorry you are totally unable to contribute with any money. He got himself into this mess. Let him flounder. I would be willing to bet he will cancel it, and tell him you're fine with that. Have a fabulous, amazing wedding! I'm glad you know better than to start your marriage with a bunch of credit card debt. Smart girl.
    We are totally willing and wanting to cancel! But that makes him eat the cost of those airline tickets which is a huge hit and will cause the rest of his family to side eye us. Yes thats his own fault, but it still sucks.
    Yeah..... I would have your FI tell his dad that you two cannot contribute any money to his party. and he can cancel it. It's not your problem or your fault that he screwed up the planning and money so badly. Don't be forced into throwing a big bash when it's not something you wanted at all - you even said you guys had to be convinced into accepting the offer, and now he wants you to pay for it? no freakin way!

    and, i love your mindset. 
    I agree with you!! We feel forced, but decided to bite the bullet for the sake of not creating needless drama.  At the end of the day, a couple thousand isnt the end of the world.  It just sets a crappy precedent with him.  To be fair, he's actually a genuinely respectable guy. Just no clue of wedding planning or etiquette, and no clue what he's forced us into.

    He told you not to worry about it, so you don't. If he presses for money, tell him that you appreciate the effort put forth a party but you guys are unable to contribute. Rinse and repeat as often as necessary. If that means it has to be cancelled, so be it.

    This is ALL on him and it's not cool of him to try and pressure you guys for money or to sacrifice parts of your wedding because he screwed up.

    Its very not cool of him, even if he doesnt know what he's doing.  I called MOG (she's less flaky) and she was the one that suggested bumping the party by a few months if thats what we wanted to do besides cancel.  She's a bit mortified that this all is happening, hence our desire to make at least some of it right.

    I'm sorry, but this is absolutely ridiculous and I'm furious for you. Your Fi NEEDS to tell his dad that you guys do no have the finances for this. It is ABSOLUTELY unacceptable that you two are being pidgeonholed into paying for a party that you don't even want!

    You need to have a come to deity talk with your Fi that he needs to be able to deal the "fallout" from this, and anything like this in the future.

    You should never let anyone spend your money without your consent. Bottom line is that your FFIL wanted this party. Now he doesn't have the money. That means that the party is cancelled, NOT that you guys have to pay for it. Just fucking absurd.


    SITB- I'm furious and stressed as hell about this.  I feel like theres no right answer,  Easiest answer is to cancel and let FOG flounder, but he's in our lives long term so it seems more tricky than that.  Now I feel dumb for consenting to possible alternate arrangements to "make things right." I'm willing to eat those costs, but I fear it will ALWAYS leave a bad taste in my mouth.

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    If the party gets pushed back so that there's extra time to save up for the costs, why would it be you saving up instead of FIL? If this is such a big deal to him, why doesn't he save up the extra money?

    I would have FI tell him that it isn't in the budget for you now. Period. It's up to him to decide what he wants to do from there. 
  • I'm really annoyed for you because if you and your fiancé wanted to spend all that money to host the rando relatives, then you would have planned your wedding that way. Why doesn't FOG get that? Ugh.

    It was a bad decision to buy those plane tickets, and it's even more silly to throw an expensive party for dozens of people simply because he already did buy those tickets. One bad decision doesn't warrant another. I would say let the relatives come into town and agree to go to a dinner if that will ameliorate things.

    As far as the timeline, if you do end up having the party: I wouldn't side eye anything within the first year. Your relatives can gush over it if they want, but as long as you guys aren't the ones making a big show of it, I think you're good.

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  • yogadevil said:

    I tried to read the whole thing, but started skimming 2/3 of the way. Lol I got longwinded, sorry.


    Does he have a backyard? Tell him to take the venue budget and host a backyard BBQ picnic He lives in a small townhouse with no backyard.

    If he nieces it being a wedding celebration and make sit a family reunion he could make it a potluck. Just hold it on Sunday instead of Saturday. No wedding photos, no wedding celebration toast or announcements. Just family hanging out. There is already no photos or toasts/announcements. Yes, its meant to be a family hangout thing. And i'm not doing a potluck at a party i'm hosting.

    Daddy screw the pooch on this one. Don't invite your friends, don't even invite your family. Have dad host an event he can adjured or make him cancel. Only invite the 90 he has on his list. If you want 175 people then you need to find a way to help pay for it. He is not willing to pay for his 90 beyond the location fee he's contributing. We would be paying for the party he's planning. If we are inviting the 175 max, we would be paying for the entire thing as well, and need a few months to save for even a modest gathering at that point.  Thats why I was asking how far past our actual wedding is it acceptable to have a celebration.

    Cancel it. Don't go into a debt for a party you never wanted in the first pay.

    I suggested canceling it and having a family reunion potluck on a different day so the Ireland family could still see everyone. But I can understand not wanting to host a potluck for any reason - I wouldn't.
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  • I'm really annoyed for you because if you and your fiancé wanted to spend all that money to host the rando relatives, then you would have planned your wedding that way. Why doesn't FOG get that? Ugh.

    It was a bad decision to buy those plane tickets, and it's even more silly to throw an expensive party for dozens of people simply because he already did buy those tickets. One bad decision doesn't warrant another. I would say let the relatives come into town and agree to go to a dinner if that will ameliorate things.

    As far as the timeline, if you do end up having the party: I wouldn't side eye anything within the first year. Your relatives can gush over it if they want, but as long as you guys aren't the ones making a big show of it, I think you're good.

    To the first bolded- THANK YOU! Thats exactly how we feel!!! Yowza

    I agree that one bad decision doesnt warrant another.  I guess at this point in the grand scheme of things a couple grand is a drop in the bucket to prevent creating a debacle (even if the FOG was the one to create said debacle). It feels like a no-win.  I'm erring on the side of cancelling, but am willing to foot the bill for something casual.

    To the 2nd bolded- thank you :) that was my original question from that longwinded crap I posted. My head is just all over the place.  We def wouldnt be making a big deal out of it, lol like you said before if we wanted to be AWish we wouldve done that to begin with.
  • If the party gets pushed back so that there's extra time to save up for the costs, why would it be you saving up instead of FIL? If this is such a big deal to him, why doesn't he save up the extra money? Yes. Whatever we decide FOG is now only paying for the location fee. I'm not sure if he'd be willing to save up more money, but honestly he is not expected to.  This was a nice gift, no matter the size, and i'm not going to ask him for more money.


    I would have FI tell him that it isn't in the budget for you now. Period. It's up to him to decide what he wants to do from there. This may be the best option...still sucks
  • If you do end up having the party, I wouldn't side-eye it, since you're having such a small wedding.

    That being said, I'm with PPs on the fact that you shouldn't have to foot this bill. As you said, it sets a precedent, and I don't think that's a precedent you want set.

    Why can't the Irish family members just come in on FFIL's tickets and you can meet them? You could go out to dinner, have them over to your place, or whatever it is you want to do. That way the plane tickets aren't a waste, and you don't have to spend thousands of dollars on your FFIL's idea of what a wedding (celebration) should be.
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  • I just don't even...wow.  So sorry you're going through this.  I'm sure he meant well originally, but even mentioning you cancel your HM?!!?

    Gosh.  Good luck to you both!  It sounds the intimate wedding you planned originally will be amazing!
  • esstee33esstee33 member
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    edited July 2015
    Lady, no. Why do you feel like it's your responsibility to bankroll a party you said no to in the first place, that you can't afford, and that you don't want? NOT YOUR PROBLEM. 

    Your FI needs to have a come to Jesus talk with his dad that, regardless of how inadequate he apparently things your wedding is, it's the only one you're going to have, and that's that. 
  • We had an intimate wedding (5 guests) in October, so we've been married for almost exactly 5 months.

    Personally, and I know that not everyone is me, I feel VERY married, and don't feel the need nor desire to celebrate my marriage when I don't feel like it's new or novel or really worth celebrating. I doubt any of my friends or family would side-eye it, but I'd personally feel odd and AW-y for having a celebration so far out. For me, 1-2 months is max that I'd want to do.

    We also discussed having some sort of a party of celebration with our friends. MIL brought it up a few times and did seem a tiny bit sad that we aren't doing anything larger for our wedding, but whatever, no fucks given.

    Honestly though, both DH and I are pretty introverted and private. We didn't want a large ceremony/reception because we don't feel comfortable hosting (or paying) for something so large. And if I didn't want it for my wedding then I'm certainly not going to do it months later.
  • What the hell? WHY? Cancel. Decline the party.

    Of course, your FI needs to be the one to deliver this message. "Dad, we can't contribute and this is getting too complicated. We chose a small wedding for a reason. We appreciate your offer to throw this party, but we need to decline."

    My ILs wanted to throw us a marriage celebration in H's home town so that local family/friends wouldn't have to attend our wedding (in my home state) and could just attend this party. Nope nope nope. We chose the wedding we wanted
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  • Your FI needs to get his father to respect that you two want a small wedding, not a family reunion. If he wants to host one in with these family members, tell him he can. Just not to expect any money from you two.

    Btw, the wedding you have planned sounds wonderful!
  • edited March 2015
    No, this party is not your responsibility. He dropped all his money on flying in 8 relatives? Super. Have dinner with those 8 people. You budgeted for and are paying for the wedding you wanted, end of story.

    IDK if I missed the explanation of how your extra friends and family got added to his list but I think that's out of line. His party, he sets the guest list. He can also set the date, and if he wants to throw you a party in the fall, I'd accept it. I do think it would be inappropriate for you to throw your own party in the fall though.

    Just stay out of this completely and stick to your own wedding plans, on your terms.

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  • I don't understand this at all. You have your wedding you want. Let him plan a party he wants. How did you get to 175 people? Why are you now paying? Crazy. No. Tell him you didn't want this party, don't have the money to help pay for it, and will attend any event he invites you to but that's it. And delaying to the fall sounds dumb. Then he's still out of luck on the flights and you're paying for a party for no reason.

    You're in your 30s in the military. I have full confidence you can cope with this.
  • It's going to suck and you might even get judged.  But you need to do what is best for your marriage and your future - and that is to not sink a ton of your money into this thing.  Save that money up instead for retirement - or, hell, ANYTHING else.

    You also mention that he is a nice guy who doesn't really understand what he's done.  Maybe you need to have a kind, but thoroughly honest discussion with him about what this all means for you.  Stop this before it snowballs into something worse. He may not be a total evil dude - maybe he's just super clueless.  Regardless he needs to be made aware of the impact he is having on you, and you need to stand up for yourself! 
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  • Why can't the relatives just fly in and spend some time visiting? Instead of FFIL's money going towards a venue fee, have it go towards some reasonable lodging accommodations for the relatives that are flying in, and perhaps a nice dinner out one night while they're in town if there's enough money left. 

    This does NOT have to be a drama-filled, debt-ridden affair. If you wouldn't mind the above idea (or something similar), have FI sit down with his dad and explain something to the effect of "Dad, we really appreciate you wanting to throw a celebration party for us that the whole family can attend. Unfortunately, it's just not going to happen. We cannot afford it. We definitely don't want you to eat the cost of those airline tickets, so why don't you have everyone fly in, use the money you were going to put towards a venue fee to take care of everyone's lodging, and we'll make sure to arrange for a nice dinner out for everyone who's visiting. That's the best compromise we can offer at this time. Let us know if you'd like to do this."

    Best plan I can come up with, anyways! Good luck OP! Also, to echo PPs sentiments, TWO THUMBS UP to you for keeping such a clear head through all of this and keeping focused on what is appropriate etiquette-wise. There are plenty of alternatives that will not put you and your FI out AND will make sure everyone involved is treated properly.
  • Nope, nope nope nope.  Someone help me with the gif of the octopus running away, because I'm gif challenged.

    YOUR party is the (absolutely amazing) B&B event you're planning.  Also, can I come?  Your FOG's party is none of your responsibility.  Your responsibility for that party is to show up where and when you're told to.  If your FFIL can no longer host the party, meaning there is nowhere and nothing to show up for, your responsibility is over.

    I agree with the PP who asked why the relatives from Ireland can't still come for a vacation.  Just have a small family party then.  Done. 

    To your original question, I'd start raising my eyebrows at anything more than a year after the original wedding.  That's just me, though. 

    **The OMH formerly known as jsangel1018**
  • You seem to be determined to help your FFIL save face so I'll just answer the question. I wouldn't side eye a party held 5 or 6 months after to celebrate your marriage. I'd assume that you were waiting for a time when the family could come from Ireland.
                       
  • Nope, nope nope nope.  Someone help me with the gif of the octopus running away, because I'm gif challenged.

    YOUR party is the (absolutely amazing) B&B event you're planning.  Also, can I come?  Your FOG's party is none of your responsibility.  Your responsibility for that party is to show up where and when you're told to.  If your FFIL can no longer host the party, meaning there is nowhere and nothing to show up for, your responsibility is over.

    I agree with the PP who asked why the relatives from Ireland can't still come for a vacation.  Just have a small family party then.  Done. 

    To your original question, I'd start raising my eyebrows at anything more than a year after the original wedding.  That's just me, though. 

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  • This is neither your circus, nor your monkey. 

    FOG wanted the celebration, FOG organized the celebrated, FOG pays for said celebration. Don't add to the guest list, don't give suggestions/money. Just disengage, step back and let him handle it. Either he'll figure out how to make it work on his own or he'll cancel (which is NOT YOUR FAULT!). FOG is an adult and you should allow him the room to act like one.
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  • bizzy592bizzy592 member
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    edited March 2015
    Wow. I am so impressed with your patience. I wouldn't be so gracious.

    I am on the side of some PPs in that you should call it a family reunion. We host these every few summers for our insanely large family. Planning goes thus: identify a large hotel/family friendly resort with reasonably priced rooms, at least one large dining room/ballroom/convention space/meeting area, and a few silly daytime activities. Negotiate a group discount, which includes the use of said large space for one night (set cost per meal, no additional fee). Invite everyone for the weekend, letting them know room costs, cost for group dinner, and for cheesy matching t-shirts. Your FFIL can either contribute a flat amount to the group to reduce cost of meals/rooms, or buy the wine for dinner. He gets to see his Irish cousins and feel like a big shot. You start your marriage without debt, and also without that bad taste in your mouth.

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  • yogadevil said:

    If the party gets pushed back so that there's extra time to save up for the costs, why would it be you saving up instead of FIL? If this is such a big deal to him, why doesn't he save up the extra money? Yes. Whatever we decide FOG is now only paying for the location fee. I'm not sure if he'd be willing to save up more money, but honestly he is not expected to.  This was a nice gift, no matter the size, and i'm not going to ask him for more money.


    I would have FI tell him that it isn't in the budget for you now. Period. It's up to him to decide what he wants to do from there. This may be the best option...still sucks
    But you wouldn't be asking him for money. You would be telling him that you are not going to give him money. 

    This is his party, not yours. It's so insane that he is expecting you to pay for it. I don't for a second buy that he put down every dime of his budget for a venue without having an idea of what this party would cost. Did he think that food and bev would be included when he booked the venue? 
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