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MOB and FOB paying for wedding, what 'rights' do they have?

My parents have generously offered to foot the bill for my wedding despite my assumption that I would be paying for it myself. They are divorced and my father's only request was to make sure he could bring a date. I asked my mother what she wanted just to get that out of the way now well in advance of my planning. Her requests were (1) for us to have a minister, (2) for her to walk me down the aisle too, (3) for her to invite a list of her friends. I have already told  her that (1) will not be happening as neither my FI or I are very religious, that I would think about (2) and consult with my father. For (3) she sent me a list of 24 guests. I have expressed my interest in having a small wedding but understand the reality when between my FI and I, our parents have about 23 siblings. Realistically I think we will end up inviting 175 and expect about 120 people and even though this still seems large to me I can accept this. She is already talking about the assumption that extended relatives (cousins of hers or my fathers) would be invited in addition to her friends list. I told her that I preferred not to invite people that I didn't know or in terms of the extended family, wasn't close with. She was very upset with me about the idea that I might not want to invite a friend of hers that I used as an example of someone I didn't know. I want to nip this in the bud because I know if I let her have an inch she will generally take a mile so my question is, if she is paying for a large part of the wedding does that mean she gets what she wants in this case and I should just accept the strings attached? Or do I put my foot down on what I want or am comfortable with?

Re: MOB and FOB paying for wedding, what 'rights' do they have?

  • CMGragainCMGragain member
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    edited April 2015
    When you accept money, there are often strings attached.  You have a choice:

    1.  Accept the money and comply with the conditions (like having a minister marry you.)
    2.  Graciously refuse the money and have everything your own way.

    It is all up to you to choose, but you can't have it both ways.  No fair accepting the money and then whining about the conditions!
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  • SP29SP29 member
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    Well, in an ideal world you would like to think that your mom would take into consideration what you are comfortable with for your wedding day (like your father), but often that is not the case.

    OK- things that your parents should get NO say in are things particular to you and your groom. The type of ceremony you have is one- if you are not religious having a religious base ceremony is improper, IMO anyway. The ceremony is the one aspect all about the bride and groom (of course one must still be respectful to guests). She has no say in what you wear, who you choose for your bridal party or what they wear. I would also say that she shouldn't decide who walks you down the aisle- that is YOUR escort, your choice, IMO. 

    But otherwise, if parents are footing the bill, they pretty much get a say in everything else- venue, food, drink, decor, music, guest list, etc. 

    One way to get around this would be to decline any offers for monetary contributions from your mother (and perhaps father) and host the wedding you would like to have with a budget you can afford. 
  • 1.
    Why on earth would you need to ask your dad about your mom's walking down the aisle with you too?? This should be your choice, not his, and I'd be kind of hurt if I'd asked this of you and you said "oh I'll have to ask your ex-husband."

    2. If your parents are paying for the majority of the wedding, then they have a strong say in the guest list. If you want full control over it, you need to pay for it yourself.

    I find it a little off that your parents are paying for the wedding and it sounds like you want to poopoo over every single thing your mother has asked.


    In general I think the ceremony is more for the couple, but there are a few things you could maybe work with her on?

    As far as the minister goes... Unless you already had a specific officiant in mind, can't you compromise on this and have a minister but not have the ceremony in a church or with any additional religious readings? In your hearts he can just be a normal man that is legally allowed to marry you.

    Again, on the escorting you down the aisle... unless you specifically don't want her to walk with you, this one is easy. You just tell her, "yes, I'd like that." If your dad throws a fuss, that's just bad on him.

    And as far as her guests go... if that's really all she's asking, and she's paying, I think you'll need to accept it. You can tell her you're hoping for a smaller wedding and ask if she can trim it down some, but I don't think you can just veto her closest friends just because you don't know them well, if she's paying and they are important to her.
    It's not like they will be the only people there you don't know well. I'm assuming you aren't super close to the significant other of every single guest that's coming, but you'd need to invite them too. You don't have to spend all evening with your mom's guests. They'll be socializing with the proud MOB.
  • aurianna said:

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    Why on earth would you need to ask your dad about your mom's walking down the aisle with you too?? This should be your choice, not his, and I'd be kind of hurt if I'd asked this of you and you said "oh I'll have to ask your ex-husband."

    2. If your parents are paying for the majority of the wedding, then they have a strong say in the guest list. If you want full control over it, you need to pay for it yourself.

    I find it a little off that your parents are paying for the wedding and it sounds like you want to poopoo over every single thing your mother has asked.


    In general I think the ceremony is more for the couple, but there are a few things you could maybe work with her on?

    As far as the minister goes... Unless you already had a specific officiant in mind, can't you compromise on this and have a minister but not have the ceremony in a church or with any additional religious readings? In your hearts he can just be a normal man that is legally allowed to marry you.

    Again, on the escorting you down the aisle... unless you specifically don't want her to walk with you, this one is easy. You just tell her, "yes, I'd like that." If your dad throws a fuss, that's just bad on him.

    And as far as her guests go... if that's really all she's asking, and she's paying, I think you'll need to accept it. You can tell her you're hoping for a smaller wedding and ask if she can trim it down some, but I don't think you can just veto her closest friends just because you don't know them well, if she's paying and they are important to her.
    It's not like they will be the only people there you don't know well. I'm assuming you aren't super close to the significant other of every single guest that's coming, but you'd need to invite them too. You don't have to spend all evening with your mom's guests. They'll be socializing with the proud MOB.

    I would not compromise on the minister. If the couple is not religious, maybe they don't want anything religious whatsoever. I'm an atheist and I did not want anything regarding God in our ceremony. 

    I would let her have points 2 and 3 though. If she's paying, she can invite whoever she wants. If you want a small wedding, pay for it yourself. I had both my parents walk me down the aisle (and my husband is Jewish, which is tradition in Jewish weddings anyway). 
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  • aurianna said:

    1.
    Why on earth would you need to ask your dad about your mom's walking down the aisle with you too?? This should be your choice, not his, and I'd be kind of hurt if I'd asked this of you and you said "oh I'll have to ask your ex-husband."

    2. If your parents are paying for the majority of the wedding, then they have a strong say in the guest list. If you want full control over it, you need to pay for it yourself.

    I find it a little off that your parents are paying for the wedding and it sounds like you want to poopoo over every single thing your mother has asked.


    In general I think the ceremony is more for the couple, but there are a few things you could maybe work with her on?

    As far as the minister goes... Unless you already had a specific officiant in mind, can't you compromise on this and have a minister but not have the ceremony in a church or with any additional religious readings? In your hearts he can just be a normal man that is legally allowed to marry you.

    Again, on the escorting you down the aisle... unless you specifically don't want her to walk with you, this one is easy. You just tell her, "yes, I'd like that." If your dad throws a fuss, that's just bad on him.

    And as far as her guests go... if that's really all she's asking, and she's paying, I think you'll need to accept it. You can tell her you're hoping for a smaller wedding and ask if she can trim it down some, but I don't think you can just veto her closest friends just because you don't know them well, if she's paying and they are important to her.
    It's not like they will be the only people there you don't know well. I'm assuming you aren't super close to the significant other of every single guest that's coming, but you'd need to invite them too. You don't have to spend all evening with your mom's guests. They'll be socializing with the proud MOB.

    I would not compromise on the minister. If the couple is not religious, maybe they don't want anything religious whatsoever. I'm an atheist and I did not want anything regarding God in our ceremony. 

    I would let her have points 2 and 3 though. If she's paying, she can invite whoever she wants. If you want a small wedding, pay for it yourself. I had both my parents walk me down the aisle (and my husband is Jewish, which is tradition in Jewish weddings anyway). 
    I agree with all of this. I'm agnostic and don't want religion anywhere in my wedding and this is a hill I would die on. But 2 and 3 I'd be willing to give my mom those.

    If the mother insists on the minister part, then the OP has a choice to make. Accept the money and go with the minister or decline the money and host what she and her FI can afford.
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  • You do not have to check with your father about who walks you down the aisle. If you are opposed to religion, stand your ground on the type of officiant. I would let her invite anyone she wants. Yes, it's stupid when parents want their kids to invite people they don't or barely know, but if they are paying, they get a huge say in that type of thing.
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  • If they are paying, they have a right to ask for all 3 of those things. Like others said, if they pay, they get a say
  • If they are paying, they have a right to ask for all 3 of those things. Like others said, if they pay, they get a say

    I think their "say" is limited to being allowed to asking for it. Using "paying for it" as a weapon against the couple to get whatever you want without regard for their needs or feelings turns the occasion into all about stroking your ego while using them as the excuse. And that's despicable.
  • jacques27jacques27 member
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    edited April 2015
    You're asking the wrong question.  The question isn't "what rights do THEY have?"  It's "what rights do you have?"
    1. You (meaning the two people getting married) have the right to pay for your own wedding and pick everything about your wedding to your exact specifications if you are using your own money.
    2. You have the right to accept a very generous offer to pay for YOUR wedding and in the process accept the terms and conditions of what that money buys you. 
    3. You have the right to refuse a very generous offer to pay for YOUR wedding if you do not like the terms and conditions that come with that money.  Then you're back full circle to your first right.

    They absolutely have the right offer money with conditions.  If your mom is only willing to part with her hard-earned money to pay for a full catholic ceremony with all of her friends attending and you wearing a pink and purple striped jumpsuit down the aisle - that's her right to offer the money under those conditions and your right to refuse the money under those conditions. 

    It's not that I'm saying those conditions are reasonable (although, I really don't understand why you would need to consult with her ex-husband about whether she can walk you down the aisle).  Sometimes the conditions that come with money aren't reasonable and it may not be a nice thing to ask someone to be okay with a religion that they don't believe in and make that a condition and you could certainly try to negotiate the terms before you accept them.  But ultimately, whether or not request is reasonable is not the point.  The point is she has a right to put conditions on what her hard-earned cash will be used for and you have the right to refuse the hard-earned cash if the conditions are not what you want.

  • I agree with PP, if she offered the money and stated that those three things were her conditions then you are really limited to accepting the conditions or rejecting the money.  You obviously might be able to talk to her and find compromise if those things weren't conditions so much as things she would like, it which case it comes down to which battles you want to fight.  If they really are conditions though, just think about it as someone offering you money to do something- If someone offers you money to mow their lawn, you usually wouldn't say "Well can I have the money and not mow the lawn?"  The money is conditioned on mowing the lawn, if you don't want to mow the lawn, you don't get the money. 

    I think the good thing is that you weren't expecting to her to offer money so you can likely plan your wedding to your desired specifications without having to take anything from her.  In this case, just explain that while you appreciate her offer, you and FI have decided to finance the wedding in other ways. 
  • No, OP definitely does not need to compromise on the minister. In the end, if the couple doesn't get to decide what happens in their ceremony, something is wrong.

    But if she can find a minister that would be ok with running a secular ceremony in a secular location, where he/she pretty much acts just as a justice of the peace would, OP could still have the type of ceremony she wants (paid for by her folks), but her mom would see a minister up there and maybe both parties would be happy.
    Obviously it would take more vetting, seeing if you could find one who would be willing to really just speak of love and loyalty but leave out anything specifically religious, and maybe MOB would only be satisfied if ceremony were in a church. So maybe not feasible. But I was just suggesting it as an idea in case it hadn't been thought of.

    Some people, while not religious, might not mind a religious man filling in the JoP role assuming he doesn't bring much/any religion into the ceremony. If OP is one of those people, then great. If not, then that's totally her right; it just may result in her paying for her own wedding and/or upsetting her mom.

    Tough spot. Sorry OP!
  • aurianna said:

    No, OP definitely does not need to compromise on the minister. In the end, if the couple doesn't get to decide what happens in their ceremony, something is wrong.

    But if she can find a minister that would be ok with running a secular ceremony in a secular location, where he/she pretty much acts just as a justice of the peace would, OP could still have the type of ceremony she wants (paid for by her folks), but her mom would see a minister up there and maybe both parties would be happy.
    Obviously it would take more vetting, seeing if you could find one who would be willing to really just speak of love and loyalty but leave out anything specifically religious, and maybe MOB would only be satisfied if ceremony were in a church. So maybe not feasible. But I was just suggesting it as an idea in case it hadn't been thought of.

    Some people, while not religious, might not mind a religious man filling in the JoP role assuming he doesn't bring much/any religion into the ceremony. If OP is one of those people, then great. If not, then that's totally her right; it just may result in her paying for her own wedding and/or upsetting her mom.

    Tough spot. Sorry OP!

    I agree that she doesn't need to compromise on the minister (and I wouldn't compromise on it either) but I also think that if she is unwilling to compromise, there is a risk that the mother will withdraw her money offer and that the mother has a right to do that, so that is something to be aware of. Hopefully OP and mom can discuss what parts of the list are "conditions" and what parts are just requests or "I would rather"s, which is where OP should start before deciding how to move forward with the wedding planning. 
  • When you accept money from people to help pay for your wedding, those people get to have a say. I agree with PPs that I would not compromise on the minister but the other two requests are fine. Unfortunately, your mom can put whatever strings she would like on the money. You can choose to accept or decline her money based on how you feel about those strings.
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  • Sounds like your first assumption was correct, best pay for own wedding if you don't like the terms that come with accepting her money. I would never accept money that dictated the religious aspect of my ceremony. I don't think that's a cool term to set, but her money, her terms.
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