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Because a peaceful last week was too much to ask

I need knottie sense. I feel like I'm too angry and frustrated to see this with a clear view.

TLDR: I'm not letting my asshole narcissist dad speak at my wedding, but FI thinks his parents should get to speak [if they wanted to] and I kind of agree with him, but then how would I do damage control when my dad goes godzilla over it?

Things were calm with my family for a while, but of course they couldn't stay calm. That just wouldn't be normal. So my dad-- out of the blue-- sent me an incredibly mean text while I was at work the other day. My mom then jumped in and also threw a tantrum. At first she was really mad at him for being so shitty to me for no reason. Then she was mad at me for not wanting to talk to him. I let her know that people who treat me like garbage don't get a place in my life. It's pretty simple. But when I said I won't deal with someone who is verbally abusive, she screamed that he's NOT verbally abusive. Ugh. Kind of made me realize how fucked up her thought process is, which must be why she's been able to put up with him, since he talks to her like she's garbage too.

She stomped and screamed and cried and pouted (not exaggerating; she really did all of these things in like 5-minute span) and said "IT'S MY WEDDING TOO!" Weird. I was not aware that she was also getting married.

None of this is new or unusual for my family. So I did what knotties and my therapist advised me to do when they act like this-- I stepped away and did not engage. This happened over a 2-day span so it was a shitty 2 days. But I brushed it off. Whatever.

My dad has decided that I "ruined" my wedding for him, because he didn't get to invite all 60 of his friends (people I don't even know). So yes, a year later, he's still throwing tantrums about the guest list. Well the wedding is a week away. Time to get over it.

And I'm pretty sure he's physically and mentally incapable of saying anything kind about me. Even at my bridal shower (FSIL invited both dads and I had no idea till I walked in and saw him there) as I was opening gifts, he was shouting out extremely rude things about me. Why? I guess cuz he's that desperate for attention? This was the first time I had met some of FI's relatives so it was definitely not appreciated but again, whatever. It's typical him.

Since I know every time he opens his mouth, he says something shitty, and says rude shit about me in public all the time, and I have no relationship with him at all, and I generally hate him as a person, he's not speaking at the wedding. I mean, he's lucky he's even invited at this point.

And-- is it even a thing for parents to speak at a wedding? I have literally never seen this happen, ever. So why they're insisting on it is beyond me.

To keep him from speaking, I did a "no parents are speaking at the wedding" rule. FI was on board. He can't stand my dad and also did not want him to speak. A lot of our relatives (and all of FI's relatives) don't know how awful things are between my dad and I, and probably don't know what an abusive piece of shit he's been, because the worst stuff he says to me is always done very quietly when no one else is around, like a good sociopath. I feel like if FI's parents spoke at the wedding and my dad didn't (but would likely make a scene about how much he was dying to speak) it would be really weird and maybe even create a bigger, worse scene.

The "no parents speaking" thing just came up a little while ago, and FI got snappy about it. He said sarcastically, "Yup, I'll keep my parents shut up because your dad is an asshole. That's totally fair."

Well, no, it's not fair. But-- in my mind-- it's the easiest way to keep the situation under control. My dad loves making huge scenes. He would literally tackle FI's mom to the ground to get the microphone out of her hands if she got to stand up and give a toast and then he decided that he was entitled to give a toast too (especially since my parents think this is their wedding and they're the most selfish narcissists on the planet. They generally think they're more entitled and more important that FI's parents. It's gross).

It's hard enough that I've been struggling with whether or not to let him walk to me down the aisle. I obviously don't want him to, but it's going to cause some epic battles and make other people think I'm an asshole (if only people know how he treated me) and FI's parents said they would be really disappointed because they think it's wrong for me to not let him walk me down the aisle, despite him acting like a dick. Ugh.


Am I going about this the wrong way? What the fuck am I supposed to do here? It's been stressful enough dealing with my asshole drama llama parents, but now FI is getting mad and snapping at me. How do I handle this nonsense? Seems like there's a simple answer and I'm just not seeing it.
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Re: Because a peaceful last week was too much to ask

  • I don't know if I've been around for the majority of the stuff with your dad, but I just wanted to say that I'm sorry you're going through this. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders about everything, and the confusion about what to do is definitely warranted.

    I really hope your FI winds up supporting your request for no parent speeches. I have an emotionally-abusive past with my stepfather, and I was concerned about the father/daughter dances because FI would in turn do one with FMIL, and FSMIL would get some sort of recognition as well. My dad is my best friend and I wanted to give him a father/daughter dance, but the idea of recognizing my stepfather during it was really disturbing to me.

    I had the same fears as you, that if I didn't do it, others that didn't know the full story would think I was a jerk. There was some tension about it because, similar to your FI's parents not getting to make a toast, my decision would be taking away a special moment for FMIL/FSMIL.

    We ultimately decided that I'll dance with my dad while FI dances with his daughter, end the parent dances there, and people seem okay with that (although FMIL/FSMIL were admittedly a little bummed at first).

    How important is it to his parents that they speak? I've been to one wedding during which parents gave a kind of well-wishes speech, but maybe there's another way for his parents to do that for you? A reading or something during a ceremony?

    Again, extending some peaceful thoughts your way. I'm sorry this is happening.
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  • louxnoelle thank you. I didn't think his parents even wanted to speak. But FI is saying that if they suddenly decide that they feel like standing up to give a toast, he will not tell them no. Which is fine, but then I feel like it opens the door to a whole big shitshow. I probably shouldn't even be so worried about it. If my asshole dad wants to give the typical 20-minute AW narcissist speech, I guess I should just let him and tune it out or something. Ugh. Who knows. I have no idea what I'm supposed to do here.
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  • I suppose just asking your FI to weigh the pros and cons of his parents speaking, but ultimately leaving the decision up to him is all you can do. After that, just give it to God and know that whatever will be will be, and you will be in love and married. :)

    I think the silver-lining is that, if your dad does decide to open his mouth and say something asinine, it will reflect poorly on nobody but himself. Keeping your shit together, which you seem to excel at, will show that you're capable of being lovely and gracious in the face of his antics.

    Alcohol during his rant should help. Y'know ... lovely, gracious, demure sips of lots and lots of alcohol.
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  • No toasts, don't let him walk you down the aisle (you're going of your own accord, not being bartered off), why are you even around him, it's not your FIL's decision to make, tell the dj that your parents (family) are not aloowed to have the mic and to turn it off, and be done with it.

    Definitely already did that!
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  • If you're having a rehearsal dinner, they could toast at that.

    That's what I suggested, but I feel like things have just gotten a bit tense around here.
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  • tell the dj that your parents (family) are not aloowed to have the mic and to turn it off, and be done with it.

    Nope. Ignore me. Do this. This is better.
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  • I don't understand how him walking you down the aisle is even a question. I'm sorry your family sucks but if they are this bad you probably should disinvite them honestly. I get confused because sometimes I feel like I read that you are still seeing your mom and dad and that she pops by all the time. At this point you should try to be all in or all out- I feel like you are really trying to have it both ways- you want a close relationship with your parents and want other people not to get mad, but look at your posting history- that is obviously not working. 

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    lol perfect. Also, I want to know what that pink stuff is in the water bottle
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  • I don't understand how him walking you down the aisle is even a question. I'm sorry your family sucks but if they are this bad you probably should disinvite them honestly. I get confused because sometimes I feel like I read that you are still seeing your mom and dad and that she pops by all the time. At this point you should try to be all in or all out- I feel like you are really trying to have it both ways- you want a close relationship with your parents and want other people not to get mad, but look at your posting history- that is obviously not working. 

    This wasn't in person. He sent me shitty texts and then my mom called me.

    Pretty much after the wedding I'm cutting them out completely. I was trying to set boundaries and make shit work. But the boundaries thing doesn't seem to be effective enough, so I guess I have to take it to the next level.

    I kept a distance from my dad for a few months and it was great. When I finally talked to him again, he was very low-key and it was fine to have brief interactions (over the phone). So I thought everything was calm and ok. Then I get a shitty text from him. Back to square one.
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  • I suppose just asking your FI to weigh the pros and cons of his parents speaking, but ultimately leaving the decision up to him is all you can do. After that, just give it to God and know that whatever will be will be, and you will be in love and married. :)

    I think the silver-lining is that, if your dad does decide to open his mouth and say something asinine, it will reflect poorly on nobody but himself. Keeping your shit together, which you seem to excel at, will show that you're capable of being lovely and gracious in the face of his antics.

    Alcohol during his rant should help. Y'know ... lovely, gracious, demure sips of lots and lots of alcohol.

    The OP is an atheist. Please remember when posting that not everyone believes in God, and this is not appropriate advice unless you know the poster is religious.

    Novella, I think it unnecessary for parents to speak at the reception. Who is hosting this? I've seen FOB do a toast, but my parents didn't speak and neither did my IL, and they are all wonderful people. We just had MOHs and BM do the toasts.

    The way your dad acts does not give him the privileged of walking you down the aisle. Are you doing the Jewish tradition of both parents walking you down? If so, I guess I'd just suck it up, but you of course don't have to.




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  • I suppose just asking your FI to weigh the pros and cons of his parents speaking, but ultimately leaving the decision up to him is all you can do. After that, just give it to God and know that whatever will be will be, and you will be in love and married. :)

    I think the silver-lining is that, if your dad does decide to open his mouth and say something asinine, it will reflect poorly on nobody but himself. Keeping your shit together, which you seem to excel at, will show that you're capable of being lovely and gracious in the face of his antics.

    Alcohol during his rant should help. Y'know ... lovely, gracious, demure sips of lots and lots of alcohol.

    The OP is an atheist. Please remember when posting that not everyone believes in God, and this is not appropriate advice unless you know the poster is religious.

    Novella, I think it unnecessary for parents to speak at the reception. Who is hosting this? I've seen FOB do a toast, but my parents didn't speak and neither did my IL, and they are all wonderful people. We just had MOHs and BM do the toasts.

    The way your dad acts does not give him the privileged of walking you down the aisle. Are you doing the Jewish tradition of both parents walking you down? If so, I guess I'd just suck it up, but you of course don't have to.




    That was the plan. No idea what to do. FI thinks I should suck it up and let them walk me down the aisle to avoid bigger fallout. Even though he supports me either way.
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  • I know bridesmaids don't have duties, but you should ask one of your bridesmaids to have a bottle of wine nearby (before ceremony) and make sure your glass is full at all times on your wedding day.

    And don't let that fucker walk you down the aisle. Fuck that noise. 
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  • @novella1186 & @huskypuppy14 - Apologies! Wasn't thinking - no offense meant. :)
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  • I think you need to tell your FI that parents generally don't speak at receptions. And FWIW, I think adding speeches just gets boring for the guests.

    So the situation with your parents is really reason #2 that his parents can talk at the RD if they're so hell bent on giving a toast.

    And I'd make it very clear to your MC that your father isn't to get within 5 feet of a microphone.
  • I don't understand how him walking you down the aisle is even a question. I'm sorry your family sucks but if they are this bad you probably should disinvite them honestly. I get confused because sometimes I feel like I read that you are still seeing your mom and dad and that she pops by all the time. At this point you should try to be all in or all out- I feel like you are really trying to have it both ways- you want a close relationship with your parents and want other people not to get mad, but look at your posting history- that is obviously not working. 

    So much this. Dude, cut these people out of your life and be done with it.
  • banana468 said:

    I think you need to tell your FI that parents generally don't speak at receptions. And FWIW, I think adding speeches just gets boring for the guests.

    So the situation with your parents is really reason #2 that his parents can talk at the RD if they're so hell bent on giving a toast.

    And I'd make it very clear to your MC that your father isn't to get within 5 feet of a microphone.

    We were just talking about all the past weddings we've been to and neither of us could think of a single time any parents spoke.
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  • I've seen it happen at 2. In one case it was awful and in the other it was the FOB also welcoming all guests to his home so it made sense. But parent speeches aren't really a thing.
  • I'm so sorry you're caught in the middle of this, but I think you're handling it really well. PPs have given great advice...sorry I don't have any more advice to offer.
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  • I vote for FI walking you down the aisle.
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  • I've seen parents speak. Generally it's if they were really involved in the wedding (aka hosted it) and it's just a "thanks for coming, we're so excited for our kids" kind of thing. That doesn't sound like it's the case here, so I wouldn't expect speeches. 

    It sounds like you don't really know what FI's parents want to do. Ask them. If they're on the fence, explain you're a little nervous about the ramifications and be honest about it. That might make them lean toward not doing it.  Not many people like making speeches and even fewer like listening to them, so the odds are in your favor there. I did similar with H's parents- I thought it was unlikely my dad would dance with me, they knew this, and chose not to do parent dances so it wouldn't be weird. If they'd really wanted to it would've been fine, but it didn't really take much for them to go eh, dances are boring anyway and nix it. 

    As for your dad, normally I'd say a week out is too late to uninvite but I'm on the fence about that, given his behavior. I definitely wouldn't let him walk you down the aisle- I would think saying you prefer to walk with FI would be a nice way to refuse this. You probably already did this, but I'd give security a heads up that if he starts to even look like he's thinking about making a scene that he is to be escorted out immediately. 

    I know you've come a long way, but please stop putting up with these people. 
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  • edited April 2015

    banana468 said:

    I think you need to tell your FI that parents generally don't speak at receptions. And FWIW, I think adding speeches just gets boring for the guests.

    So the situation with your parents is really reason #2 that his parents can talk at the RD if they're so hell bent on giving a toast.

    And I'd make it very clear to your MC that your father isn't to get within 5 feet of a microphone.

    We were just talking about all the past weddings we've been to and neither of us could think of a single time any parents spoke.
    I have been to two with parent speeches. One had three- each of the bride's divorced parents, and the groom's father (deceased mother).

    The other was just the bride's father.

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  • DH gave a welcome speech at DD #3's wedding, I did for DD#2's wedding, and I left it for ex-dh at DD #1's wedding thinking he'd be all over the FOB stuff but he never said a word.  We didn't attend DD#4's reception (long honking story there).

    My "speech" was all of 45 seconds welcoming and thanking people for coming.  In all honesty I usually do see a parent give that speech - very short.

    For you Novella - I wouldn't let him near a microphone, and frankly, after everything you have been put through, I'd be revoking his invitation and breaking ties for just about ever.
  • Ugh. Of course they can't give you peace and quiet.

    Look, I get the not-wanting-to-appear-like-a-horrible-person thing. I was worried that people would think that when I made the decision to not do a father/daughter dance (even though DH was going to do a mother/son one) and to walk solo down the aisle. People who knew me well knew the background about my dad - but what about all of DH's family? And friends? What will they think of me?!?! In the end, I made my decision because it was my decision to make, and mine only. I knew that having him walk me down the aisle would have been wrong, and it probably would have upset me. Same with the dance. DNA doesn't mean you get those kinds of privileges. Granted, my dad made it easier by just declining to come - a decision he made after I informed him that me walking solo and there not being a dance for us was non-negotiable.

    Inform whoever you need to (DOC, security, etc.) that if your dad makes a scene he is the be escorted out immediately. Then make the decisions that are best for you. And tell your FI that parent speeches are really not common (I've only seen 2, and they were both these incredibly long-winded, boring, 15 minute affairs - don't do that to your guests, people!!!). 
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  • Thank you, ladies. Your responses definitely gave me a clearer head on this situation. I really appreciate it.
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