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plainjane0415 · May 2015

Whew, talk about a sad episode! Even though I really don't care for Betty that much I felt very sad that this is how it will end for her.

Do you think the last episode will give closure on all parts? I hope so, and that I'm not disappointed. I kind of feel like the series finale will be centered around Betty's funeral somehow. What do you all think?

pinkcow13 · May 2015

I was so shocked!!! The episode almost brought me to tears! I feel like I had a love/ hate relationship with Betty. I was still so sad for her, though.

I think the last episode will give closure to all, I kind of feel like the episode last night started to, with Betty's diagnosis, and Pete getting back together with Trudy. I think next week we will see closure for the rest of the characters.

I kind of feel like the finale will not be centered around Betty's funeral, but I think it will touch upon it, or her death. I am really curious to see what ultimately happens with Don.

plainjane0415 · May 2015

I wonder what will happen to the kids. I don't know if there will be enough time to give me all the closure I need!

pinkcow13 · May 2015

That's how I feel!!! I was wondering if it was going to be a 2 hour episode. Maybe the kids will end up with Don? There are so many questions that will need to be answered!

plainjane0415 · May 2015

I don't know, but the all episode marathon that is starting on Wednesday has me wanting to take off from work to binge watch...

pinkcow13 · May 2015

What time does it start on Wednesday? Because I actually am working from home that day, so I am planning on hard core binge watching

plainjane0415 · May 2015

Aren't you lucky!

I'm not sure what time it starts.

plainjane0415 · May 2015

Also, we must be the only ones that watch the show!

julieanne912 · May 2015

I watch it. I don't think the last episode will be focused on Betty at all. Her "exit" was that last shot of her walking up the stairs at her school.

I think the last episode will focus on Don, and where he ends up. The ending of him sitting and waiting for the bus, being blissfully happy, is a great lead up to where he will be in the last episode. I also think we'll see more of the folks at the office.... hopefully lots of Peggy in her new badassery mode.

pinkcow13 · May 2015

julieanne912 said:
I watch it. I don't think the last episode will be focused on Betty at all. Her "exit" was that last shot of her walking up the stairs at her school.
I think the last episode will focus on Don, and where he ends up. The ending of him sitting and waiting for the bus, being blissfully happy, is a great lead up to where he will be in the last episode. I also think we'll see more of the folks at the office.... hopefully lots of Peggy in her new badassery mode.

I did not think of this... I guess this is a good exit for her. I do hope to see more of Peggy in the last episode. I think I'm just going to start binge watching this show again tonight actually!

badbnagdway · May 2015

I watch. What are people's thoughts on the theory that Don Draper is D.B. Cooper, the man who, under an assumed name, hi-jacked an airplane in 1971?

Short synopsis of Cooper here.

pinkcow13 · May 2015

badbnagdway said:
I watch. What are people's thoughts on the theory that Don Draper is D.B. Cooper, the man who, under an assumed name, hi-jacked an airplane in 1971?

Short synopsis of Cooper here.

I've heard of D.B.Cooper! I'm not sure. It would be a bit crazy if it turns out that's who Don Draper is. Although, not so far off, since he did assume the Don Draper identity, so it would not be so far fetched for him to assume yet another, and then completely disappear. I think it's definitely an interesting theory, although I don't think that's what will happen. There is also another theory that Don will die. I don't know how I feel about that theory, either!

plainjane0415 · May 2015

badbnagdway said:
I watch. What are people's thoughts on the theory that Don Draper is D.B. Cooper, the man who, under an assumed name, hi-jacked an airplane in 1971?

Short synopsis of Cooper here.

I like this thought. Wouldn't that be crazy if that was how it ended?!

badbnagdway · May 2015

pinkcow13 said:

badbnagdway said:
I watch. What are people's thoughts on the theory that Don Draper is D.B. Cooper, the man who, under an assumed name, hi-jacked an airplane in 1971?

Short synopsis of Cooper here.
I've heard of D.B.Cooper! I'm not sure. It would be a bit crazy if it turns out that's who Don Draper is. Although, not so far off, since he did assume the Don Draper identity, so it would not be so far fetched for him to assume yet another, and then completely disappear. I think it's definitely an interesting theory, although I don't think that's what will happen. There is also another theory that Don will die. I don't know how I feel about that theory, either!

I only heard the theory recently and at first thought it was all bull. Now that Don is on yet another random quest, close in time to when the D.B. Cooper incident happened (Betty's letter puts us in October of 1971, the hijacking happened in November of that year) and Don, with his westward travels, is getting closer to Oregon, where the original plane took off.

I don't know that it's likely -- Mad Men references a lot of real world events of course but it generally doesn't allow characters to make a difference in those events. Still, it's interesting. I have been hearing the "Don dies" theory for years. I guess that's possible. I do think there's no meaningful or lasting resolution possible for Don except his own death. I think we've all seen him seek, achieve and abandon so many versions of himself that by now we know he will not stick it out with any one reality with any permanency.

Frankly I'm the most curious about Peggy.

plainjane0415 · May 2015

Here's an interesting read on the DB Cooper/Don Draper theory.

https://medium.com/@lindseymgreen/where-don-draper-ends-d-b-cooper-begins-e96804523838

chloe97 · May 2015

Matthew Weiner talked about the DB Cooper theory on Conan last week and though he didn't outright refute it, he did say he thought that it was the "strangest theory yet".. It would also be about a year later than last night's episode (Betty's note was actually dated 10-3-70).

I have to say that last night's episode made me cry multiple times. I've been reading blog posts about how it seemed like someone was going to die, but it never occurred to me that it would be Betty. I figured Don or Roger or maybe even Pete would be the one to go.

My prediction for next week is that they flash ahead to Betty's funeral and Don becoming a full-time dad without Megan the babysitter. I bet they end up on a farm in Illinois or back where ever it was that Don grew up. Peggy gets promoted to Don's position and Roger moves away to Montreal with Marie Calvey.

climbingsingle · May 2015

I just watched it last night. The second they showed Betty hesitating on the stairs, I knew she was done for. I can't say I'm too surprised.

I'm really excited for the finale. I hope they wrap everything up nicely.

louxnoelle · May 2015

When I saw the shot of Betty looking up the stairs, I also thought that would be her last scene. I actually really hope so; it was a lovely moment all around, and I think it humanized a character that not many people cared for. That storyline also made me feel for Sally, who's another character I never really connected with. I liked the little hints of her coming into her own in the wake of Betty's death.

People are still convinced that somebody will jump out a window, obviously, because of the opening graphic, but I don't think so anymore. Nobody really seems to be spiraling at this point, so unless something major happens in the last episode, I don't think it will happen. That being said, a few episodes ago when they showed Don looking out the window in his office, FI was like, "Ohhh, people will be all over that."

If somebody else does die, I don't think it will be Don, now that we know Betty is dying. Maybe because they're still "paired" because of the kids, or because they were two of the original main characters, but I feel like killing off both of them in the course of two episodes would be a lot.

banana468 · May 2015

I finally watched last night and I'm really curious to see how it ends. I want to see some resolution to Roger and Peggy's characters too.

badbnagdway · May 2015

chloe97 said:
My prediction for next week is that they flash ahead to Betty's funeral and Don becoming a full-time dad without Megan the babysitter. I bet they end up on a farm in Illinois or back where ever it was that Don grew up. Peggy gets promoted to Don's position and Roger moves away to Montreal with Marie Calvey.

That seems less likely than a bear walking in and eating Pete Campbell to me.

redoryx · May 2015

I'm pretty sure Betty got her final exit in Sunday's episode. That final shot of her hesitating up the stairs and then Sally reading the final instructions makes me think that was her good bye for the show.

I'm undecided on the DB Cooper theory. I get why people see it, but Weiner tries so hard for historical accuracy it seems out of character for him to build this entire show around building a fictional existence for a real person.

I think Don has slowly been shedding his identity of Don Draper and will get the kids and head to California and re emerge as Dick Whitman.

banana468 · May 2015

badbnagdway said:

chloe97 said:
My prediction for next week is that they flash ahead to Betty's funeral and Don becoming a full-time dad without Megan the babysitter. I bet they end up on a farm in Illinois or back where ever it was that Don grew up. Peggy gets promoted to Don's position and Roger moves away to Montreal with Marie Calvey.
That seems less likely than a bear walking in and eating Pete Campbell to me.

I don't know. They show him fixing the typewriter, the coke machine, knowing what's wrong with his car and then he smacks the young hustler/conman who is trying to be someone he's not.

I'm wondering if they're going to show that Don was able to reinvent himself but all the years of Madison Avenue and women didn't work because at his core, Don isn't that guy.

climbingsingle · May 2015

banana468 said:

chloe97 said:
My prediction for next week is that they flash ahead to Betty's funeral and Don becoming a full-time dad without Megan the babysitter. I bet they end up on a farm in Illinois or back where ever it was that Don grew up. Peggy gets promoted to Don's position and Roger moves away to Montreal with Marie Calvey.
That seems less likely than a bear walking in and eating Pete Campbell to me.

I don't know. They show him fixing the typewriter, the coke machine, knowing what's wrong with his car and then he smacks the young hustler/conman who is trying to be someone he's not.

I'm wondering if they're going to show that Don was able to reinvent himself but all the years of Madison Avenue and women didn't work because at his core, Don isn't that guy.

That's a really good point, Banana. Just like how he gave his car away to that young guy.

banana468 · May 2015

climbingwife said:

banana468 said:

chloe97 said:
My prediction for next week is that they flash ahead to Betty's funeral and Don becoming a full-time dad without Megan the babysitter. I bet they end up on a farm in Illinois or back where ever it was that Don grew up. Peggy gets promoted to Don's position and Roger moves away to Montreal with Marie Calvey.
That seems less likely than a bear walking in and eating Pete Campbell to me.
I don't know. They show him fixing the typewriter, the coke machine, knowing what's wrong with his car and then he smacks the young hustler/conman who is trying to be someone he's not.

I'm wondering if they're going to show that Don was able to reinvent himself but all the years of Madison Avenue and women didn't work because at his core, Don isn't that guy.

That's a really good point, Banana. Just like how he gave his car away to that young guy.

Exactly. I don't know that he's going to give all his stuff away but he seems to be wanting to try to help this young person avoid the life that he ultimately led.

And thinking back, a lot of his actions can lead to this point - like his drunken outburst about his birth mother, showing his kids the house where he grew up, the flash back guilt-filled dreams about his past catching up with him. Then this season we see how his former flame died and that eats at another guilt layer, he rides the elevator with his new flame the waitress while standing in the same space as his neighbor the cardiologist and wife - a former flame. The clear juxtaposition in that scene seems to be foreshadowing.

I'm also just hopeful that Don doesn't die with the show's ending.

badbnagdway · May 2015

banana468 said: climbingwife said: banana468 said: chloe97 said:My prediction for next week is that they flash ahead to Betty's funeral and Don becoming a full-time dad without Megan the babysitter. I bet they end up on a farm in Illinois or back where ever it was that Don grew up. Peggy gets promoted to Don's position and Roger moves away to Montreal with Marie Calvey.

That seems less likely than a bear walking in and eating Pete Campbell to me.

I don't know. They show him fixing the typewriter, the coke machine, knowing what's wrong with his car and then he smacks the young hustler/conman who is trying to be someone he's not.
I'm wondering if they're going to show that Don was able to reinvent himself but all the years of Madison Avenue and women didn't work because at his core, Don isn't that guy.

That's a really good point, Banana. Just like how he gave his car away to that young guy.

Exactly. I don't know that he's going to give all his stuff away but he seems to be wanting to try to help this young person avoid the life that he ultimately led.
And thinking back, a lot of his actions can lead to this point - like his drunken outburst about his birth mother, showing his kids the house where he grew up, the flash back guilt-filled dreams about his past catching up with him. Then this season we see how his former flame died and that eats at another guilt layer, he rides the elevator with his new flame the waitress while standing in the same space as his neighbor the cardiologist and wife - a former flame. The clear juxtaposition in that scene seems to be foreshadowing.
I'm also just hopeful that Don doesn't die with the show's ending. EDIT *** WHERE DID THE BOXES GO?****

I think it would be a very satisfying end if Don became a man (Dick or otherwise) who turned out to be a good father to his kids and gave up the adman slickster womanizer persona. But I personally would not buy it and I don't get how an episode where his daughter is going through the realization of the tragedy that will be losing her mother while Don cluelessly gives up his car and sits on a bus bench in middle-of-America nowheresville with a huge grin, would lead anyone to believe that his return to his family is imminent and, even if it happened, that it would be in any way permanent.

Don is a fascinating character, and I can never seem to hate him, but he is a hobo at his heart --the title of the episode references the title of a book with the same name about hobos -- and to me it seems likely that he will continue to move as hobos do, and never quite fit anywhere. Meanwhile, Sally is comforting her step-father and tending her brothers. I don't see how Sally would even submit (after her accusations regarding her parents a few episodes ago) to being parented by Don.

redoryx · May 2015

Sally's main issue with her father is that she doesn't know him. It comes up time and time again that he keeps things from her, he doesn't tell her the truth -- she knows Don Draper is a façade and I think she just really wants him to trust her enough to be himself. That's why that scene where he takes them to the old whorehouse is so meaningful and that look exchanged. It was the first time he'd opened a door. Plus, the phone conversation this week showed they are working on trying to understand each other and it seems like it's a weekly phone conversation at that.

I think if Dick strips Don away and says to his daughter This Is Who I Am, she'd be more open to a meaningful relationship. so parented by Don? no. parented by Dick Whitman? Possibly.

badbnagdway · May 2015

So? Reactions to the series finale?

Personally I loved and hated it simultaneously - and not, I loved parts and hated parts, but I loved and hated certain parts. For example on the one hand, I couldn't help but be touched by the Rom Com ending between Peggy and Stan. On the other hand, I kind of hate that Peggy's neat as a bow ending involves a love interest rather than a huge career moment. Same with the coke commercial. I was like, oh of course. But also like, WTF?

climbingsingle · May 2015

I was just coming to bump this post.

I also both liked and didn't like it. I would have liked to see more about how Don and Betty's kids ended up. We also didn't see Henry at all.

Don's retreat out in CA with Stephanie - at first I hated it. But it came together nicely at the end. I'm assuming that Don and Peggy worked together on Coke and it was huge for them.

I love that Joan started her own business. I was hoping that would happen. That guy she was seeing - I can't remember his name. He was a monster douche, and I was happy to see him go.

Peggy and Stan! I absolutely loved it!

The phone call between Don and Betty KILLED me. I was crying.

louxnoelle · May 2015

I wasn't loving it until the end. FI was disappointed that Don didn't go back for his kids (he's very sensitive about things like that as a divorced dad), but I actually preferred to see Don working on himself - I believe that he does go back, to work and to his kids, and is in much better place with himself.

@climbingwife I love the idea that Don was behind the Coke campaign; I had initially interpreted it as, while Don was out there, the ad agencies were still pumping out commercials as always, but I was struck by the girl in the commercial with the red ribbons in her braids; Don spoke to a girl with the same hairstyle, which supports the idea that he took his California experience and turned it into a hugely successful ad.

As far as Peggy's ending, I actually think it was nice to see a romantic success for her. We know she'll be successful at her job (the shot of her walking into the offices with the sunglasses, the cigarette, and the painting is perfection), but her love life has always been iffy. It's nice to know that she doesn't have to choose between success at work and a successful relationship.

The big career moment came for Joan, which I think is even better! That bitch has been working it OUT since day one, and to see her take control of her position in the ad world was fabulous.

Also completely lost my shit during the Don/Betty phone call.

ETF: tablet typos

climbingsingle · May 2015

louxnoelle said:
I wasn't loving it until the end. FI was disappointed that Don didn't go back for his kids (he's very sensitive about things like that as a divorced dad), but I actually preferred to see Don working on himself - I believe that he does go back, to work and to his kids, and is in much better place with himself.

@climbingwife I love the idea that Don was behind the Coke campaign; I had initially interpreted it as, while Don was out there, the ad agencies were still pumping out commercials as always, but I was struck by the girl in the commercial with the red ribbons in her braids; Don spoke to a girl with the same hairstyle, which supports the idea that he took his California experience and turned it into a hugely successful ad.

As far as Peggy's ending, I actually think it was nice to see a romantic success for her. We know she'll be successful at her job (the shot of her walking into the offices with the sunglasses, the cigarette, and the painting is perfection), but her love life has always been iffy. It's nice to know that she doesn't have to choose between success at work and a successful relationship.

The big career moment came for Joan, which I think is even better! That bitch has been working it OUT since day one, and to see her take control of her position in the ad world was fabulous.

Also completely lost my shit during the Don/Betty phone call.

ETF: tablet typos

I noticed the girl with the ribbons too. I read a recap that was implying that McCann created the commercial without Don, but the ribbons would refute that for sure.

I agree about the ending for Peggy too. You know she's going to be great, exactly like what Pete said to her. It was nice to her ending up with Stan, in love.

pinkcow13 · May 2015

At first I wasn't loving it, but then I loved it. I like that Madmen can be really subtle. I definitely thought that Don worked on that come campaign. That phone call with Betty, when he called her Birdie killed me. I'm so sad that show is over, I think it was such a wonderful show.

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