Is a "Wedding Crasher Invite" appropriate for acquaintances and friends with whom we are not close?

CMGragain · November 2015

OP posted :I perhaps was mistaken in thinking that a community was about support. Not support of an idea, not a search for validation of every possibility, but of a person and the fact that they are undertaking a huge step in their life and require the advice or expertise of people who have experience in such undertakings.

This community IS about support. We support Knotties and try to stop them from making a terrible mess of their weddings! That is what these ladies were doing - trying to stop you from making all kinds of rude etiquette mistakes. We will not gleefully watch you violate etiquette and then suffer the results when you have insulted half of your guests. We will try and help you plan a proper wedding, but you need to be open to our feedback, not defensive and self absorbed.

What? That isn't what you wanted? You wanted to hear that your ideas were just fine? Too bad, because they aren't.

PS. You never thanked me for the PM that I sent you, which was at your request.

OliveOilsMom · November 2015

According to OP's definition, she is now "cyber-bullying" MobKaz.

spockforprez · November 2015

OliveOilsMom said:

According to OP's definition, she is now "cyber-bullying" MobKaz.

Look, TK regs are a tough crowd. I think you all can acknowledge that. Giving blunt, often sarcastic, negative feedback can shock someone who is used to fluffy rainbow feedback from friends or weddingbee or whatever. It's often useful feedback, and it's definitely not bullying, but it can be upsetting.

Having said that, this is the internet. You (general) chose to come to a forum and post a question, asking for advice. Some people gave you snarky feedback and hurt your feelings, making you feel stupid or defensive or embarrassed. Here's what you do: hit the little X button and go do something else with your life. Walk your dog, hug your fiancé, watch some TV. No one is forcing anyone to stay here.

Knottie82223823 · November 2015

Knottie94657783 said:

Ladies,

I feel like this thread has become pretty unproductive.

I'm fine with opinions, I like the critique of ideas, but as I said in my last post I think we are here to criticize ideas, not people. I perhaps was mistaken in thinking that a community was about support. Not support of an idea, not a search for validation of every possibility, but of a person and the fact that they are undertaking a huge step in their life and require the advice or expertise of people who have experience in such undertakings.

Support in simple terms, is not what you do, or what you say - it's how you make someone feel. And I can honestly say that this has made me feel awful. My comments have been taken out of context (Even a direct quote, taken out of context doesn't say the whole story), people who don't know me have assumed terrible things about me (the latest of which is that my bridal party increased because I wanted slave labour for my DIY projects. Which simply isn't true. But nobody stopped to ask what was true, or why the bridal party increased). This forum provides very little in the way of benefit of the doubt.

I took issue with MobKaz's comments because the post had no discernible goal other than to criticize me. It didn't offer a fresh perspective, it didn't relate to the original post of "Wedding Crasher Invites", it didn't offer advice. There wasn't even an opinion other than purporting the idea that I didn't actually learn anything from the posting, which certain I did.

When someone takes time to read all your posts, chooses some quotes, paraphrase your words and take it all out of context, and throw it in your face to make you look stupid, they are likely not interested in helping, they just want to humiliate you. And I take issue with that, and I do feel that purposely trying to humiliate someone online is within the cyber-bully realm. Yes, there are certainly more terrible instances of cyber bullying, but that doesn't mean that because its mild, it's okay. I'm not whining, I'm pointing out behavior that I think is unacceptable and unappreciated. I have no issue standing up for myself and doing it in an articulate way. I don't have to accept treatment that I find diminishing, even when most posters seem to.

I have nothing left to say to MobKaz, I think my last post was well stated and I don't intend on engaging in a verbal pistol fight with someone that I don't hold in high regard. It would be a waste of both our time. I also don't intend to cower away from the "community" posting boards, because of one foul experience. There are great people, who do give good advice and I encountered a few of them and appreciate that. Every post is a fresh post, and I would hope that Knotties could bring their most constructive/helpful A game to every response they give.

My Bambi attitude (if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all) might be regarded as too nice for the cut throat Etiquette Board, but that's okay as this has truly been a learning experience. If this Board has prepared me for anything, it has prepared for handling potential criticism of my actual wedding, and how to look that critic in the face and smile.

I 100% agree with you. I have been reading these boards for over a year now and it's full of nasty, mean bullies who seem to get off on putting others down.

You can try and justify your treatment of others all you want by calling it "blunt," or "honest," or implying that the person you're talking with is thin skinned, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of posters around here are abusive to people.

A LOT of girls come on here and complain about the treatment they received...but amazingly, it's never the fault of the community and always the fact that the original poster was rude, or naive, or thin skinned, or looking for validation, or unable to take the truth, or a pretty princess, or entitled...or...or...or....
It's astounding, really.

poodledoodleooo · November 2015

@Knottie82223823

I'm pretty sure this thread is dead.

drunkenwitch · November 2015

Knottie82223823 said:

Knottie94657783 said:

Ladies,

I feel like this thread has become pretty unproductive.

I'm fine with opinions, I like the critique of ideas, but as I said in my last post I think we are here to criticize ideas, not people. I perhaps was mistaken in thinking that a community was about support. Not support of an idea, not a search for validation of every possibility, but of a person and the fact that they are undertaking a huge step in their life and require the advice or expertise of people who have experience in such undertakings.

Support in simple terms, is not what you do, or what you say - it's how you make someone feel. And I can honestly say that this has made me feel awful. My comments have been taken out of context (Even a direct quote, taken out of context doesn't say the whole story), people who don't know me have assumed terrible things about me (the latest of which is that my bridal party increased because I wanted slave labour for my DIY projects. Which simply isn't true. But nobody stopped to ask what was true, or why the bridal party increased). This forum provides very little in the way of benefit of the doubt.

I took issue with MobKaz's comments because the post had no discernible goal other than to criticize me. It didn't offer a fresh perspective, it didn't relate to the original post of "Wedding Crasher Invites", it didn't offer advice. There wasn't even an opinion other than purporting the idea that I didn't actually learn anything from the posting, which certain I did.

When someone takes time to read all your posts, chooses some quotes, paraphrase your words and take it all out of context, and throw it in your face to make you look stupid, they are likely not interested in helping, they just want to humiliate you. And I take issue with that, and I do feel that purposely trying to humiliate someone online is within the cyber-bully realm. Yes, there are certainly more terrible instances of cyber bullying, but that doesn't mean that because its mild, it's okay. I'm not whining, I'm pointing out behavior that I think is unacceptable and unappreciated. I have no issue standing up for myself and doing it in an articulate way. I don't have to accept treatment that I find diminishing, even when most posters seem to.

I have nothing left to say to MobKaz, I think my last post was well stated and I don't intend on engaging in a verbal pistol fight with someone that I don't hold in high regard. It would be a waste of both our time. I also don't intend to cower away from the "community" posting boards, because of one foul experience. There are great people, who do give good advice and I encountered a few of them and appreciate that. Every post is a fresh post, and I would hope that Knotties could bring their most constructive/helpful A game to every response they give.

My Bambi attitude (if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all) might be regarded as too nice for the cut throat Etiquette Board, but that's okay as this has truly been a learning experience. If this Board has prepared me for anything, it has prepared for handling potential criticism of my actual wedding, and how to look that critic in the face and smile.

I 100% agree with you. I have been reading these boards for over a year now and it's full of nasty, mean bullies who seem to get off on putting others down.

You can try and justify your treatment of others all you want by calling it "blunt," or "honest," or implying that the person you're talking with is thin skinned, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of posters around here are abusive to people.

A LOT of girls come on here and complain about the treatment they received...but amazingly, it's never the fault of the community and always the fact that the original poster was rude, or naive, or thin skinned, or looking for validation, or unable to take the truth, or a pretty princess, or entitled...or...or...or....
It's astounding, really.

WALKERS!!!!

holyguacamole79 · November 2015

Knottie82223823 ... just FYI, this thread has not been commented on since Nov 5 prior to your comment. Resurrecting a "zombie" to complain about the vibe of these boards isn't received well.

onefootinthebayou · November 2015

Knottie82223823 said:

Knottie94657783 said:

Ladies,

I feel like this thread has become pretty unproductive.

I'm fine with opinions, I like the critique of ideas, but as I said in my last post I think we are here to criticize ideas, not people. I perhaps was mistaken in thinking that a community was about support. Not support of an idea, not a search for validation of every possibility, but of a person and the fact that they are undertaking a huge step in their life and require the advice or expertise of people who have experience in such undertakings.

Support in simple terms, is not what you do, or what you say - it's how you make someone feel. And I can honestly say that this has made me feel awful. My comments have been taken out of context (Even a direct quote, taken out of context doesn't say the whole story), people who don't know me have assumed terrible things about me (the latest of which is that my bridal party increased because I wanted slave labour for my DIY projects. Which simply isn't true. But nobody stopped to ask what was true, or why the bridal party increased). This forum provides very little in the way of benefit of the doubt.

I took issue with MobKaz's comments because the post had no discernible goal other than to criticize me. It didn't offer a fresh perspective, it didn't relate to the original post of "Wedding Crasher Invites", it didn't offer advice. There wasn't even an opinion other than purporting the idea that I didn't actually learn anything from the posting, which certain I did.

When someone takes time to read all your posts, chooses some quotes, paraphrase your words and take it all out of context, and throw it in your face to make you look stupid, they are likely not interested in helping, they just want to humiliate you. And I take issue with that, and I do feel that purposely trying to humiliate someone online is within the cyber-bully realm. Yes, there are certainly more terrible instances of cyber bullying, but that doesn't mean that because its mild, it's okay. I'm not whining, I'm pointing out behavior that I think is unacceptable and unappreciated. I have no issue standing up for myself and doing it in an articulate way. I don't have to accept treatment that I find diminishing, even when most posters seem to.

I have nothing left to say to MobKaz, I think my last post was well stated and I don't intend on engaging in a verbal pistol fight with someone that I don't hold in high regard. It would be a waste of both our time. I also don't intend to cower away from the "community" posting boards, because of one foul experience. There are great people, who do give good advice and I encountered a few of them and appreciate that. Every post is a fresh post, and I would hope that Knotties could bring their most constructive/helpful A game to every response they give.

My Bambi attitude (if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all) might be regarded as too nice for the cut throat Etiquette Board, but that's okay as this has truly been a learning experience. If this Board has prepared me for anything, it has prepared for handling potential criticism of my actual wedding, and how to look that critic in the face and smile.

I 100% agree with you. I have been reading these boards for over a year now and it's full of nasty, mean bullies who seem to get off on putting others down.

You can try and justify your treatment of others all you want by calling it "blunt," or "honest," or implying that the person you're talking with is thin skinned, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of posters around here are abusive to people.

A LOT of girls come on here and complain about the treatment they received...but amazingly, it's never the fault of the community and always the fact that the original poster was rude, or naive, or thin skinned, or looking for validation, or unable to take the truth, or a pretty princess, or entitled...or...or...or....
It's astounding, really.

It is astounding, isn't it - that a board full of people well versed in etiquette rules would recognize rude behavior and provide suggestions to correct it. Shocking, if you ask me.

LOL at "bullies" and "abusive". Actually, not LOL. It's not funny to throw around those terms when you're referring to people on an online forum giving advice to people who don't know any better or have horribly planned "unique ideas" to basically get around properly hosting guests. Calling "bully" or "abuse" when someone says something you don't agree with, even in a tone you don't agree with is a defense of the weak-minded. It also makes a mockery of those words and is extremely inconsiderate to those who may have indeed been victims of bullying or abuse. A bride to be who comes here and says that she wants to have "party crasher invites", gets a whole lot of people saying how rude it is and WHY, is NOT a victim of bullying.

Finally, the reason that it's not found to be the fault of the community is b/c we obey the TOU. You do not see us name-calling, you do not see us personally harassing anyone, you do not see us practice discrimination, you do not see us advertising for our businesses, etc. In other words, we are not violating TOU.

Rude behavior is everywhere, online and IRL. Helping people understand the rules of etiquette (aka good manners) even if you have to be blunt and honest and *gasp* risk hurting a poster's feelings is STILL doing that person a favor. Believe me - if some of the behavior of the speshuls that I see on here carries over into other aspects of their life beyond wedding planning, like WORK, God help them. And yes, sometimes we express the absolute astonishment about some of the stuff we see on here...b/c people's rudeness can be truly, to use your words, astounding.

Maggie0829 · November 2015

Am I the only one who doesn't think a thread that was last commented on 2 weeks ago is a "zombie" thread? I mean where do we draw the line in regards to a zombie thread? One week since the last comment? Three days? A month? Six months?

drunkenwitch · November 2015

Maggie0829 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think a thread that was last commented on 2 weeks ago is a "zombie" thread? I mean where do we draw the line in regards to a zombie thread? One week since the last comment? Three days? A month? Six months?

I just really love yelling "WALKERS!!!!!"

PrettyGirlLost · November 2015

Maggie0829 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think a thread that was last commented on 2 weeks ago is a "zombie" thread? I mean where do we draw the line in regards to a zombie thread? One week since the last comment? Three days? A month? Six months?

Newp. Last year- that's a zombie thread to me.

And if the OP wants to dredge up her own thread in order to bitch about how mean we all are, have at it, honey!

banana468 · November 2015

I wouldn't call this a zombie thread but I would say that it's dumb to dig it up just for the sake of chastising the regs.

kimmiinthemitten · November 2015

Knottie82223823 said:

I 100% agree with you. I have been reading these boards for over a year now and it's full of nasty, mean bullies who seem to get off on putting others down.

You can try and justify your treatment of others all you want by calling it "blunt," or "honest," or implying that the person you're talking with is thin skinned, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of posters around here are abusive to people.

A LOT of girls come on here and complain about the treatment they received...but amazingly, it's never the fault of the community and always the fact that the original poster was rude, or naive, or thin skinned, or looking for validation, or unable to take the truth, or a pretty princess, or entitled...or...or...or....
It's astounding, really.

Not to mention, why have you spent over a year of your life on these boards if you hate them so much? That's like saying "I despise spaghetti, but eat it every Sunday for dinner." Make a hamburger then; no one is forcing you to eat the spaghetti!

lyndausvi · November 2015

Maggie0829 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think a thread that was last commented on 2 weeks ago is a "zombie" thread? I mean where do we draw the line in regards to a zombie thread? One week since the last comment? Three days? A month? Six months?

In general, us mods consider a zombie thread as something that has not been commented on in 6 months. Sometimes as few as 4-5 months.

That said, I admit I give an eye-roll one that hasn't been commented on in over month even or has moved to like the 3rd page. I do not close the thread, but just wonder why it's being re-hashed.

funny story. We get people reporting users from threads that are almost 6 years old. Really, 6 year old threads need reporting? In most cases the user being report on is long gone.

holyguacamole79 · November 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

Maggie0829 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think a thread that was last commented on 2 weeks ago is a "zombie" thread? I mean where do we draw the line in regards to a zombie thread? One week since the last comment? Three days? A month? Six months?

Newp. Last year- that's a zombie thread to me.

And if the OP wants to dredge up her own thread in order to bitch about how mean we all are, have at it, honey!

This wasn't the OP ... it is a different Knottie #s.

PrettyGirlLost · November 2015

holyguacamole79 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

Maggie0829 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think a thread that was last commented on 2 weeks ago is a "zombie" thread? I mean where do we draw the line in regards to a zombie thread? One week since the last comment? Three days? A month? Six months?

Newp. Last year- that's a zombie thread to me.

And if the OP wants to dredge up her own thread in order to bitch about how mean we all are, have at it, honey!

This wasn't the OP ... it is a different Knottie #s.

I cannot keep all of them straight ><

holyguacamole79 · November 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

holyguacamole79 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

Maggie0829 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think a thread that was last commented on 2 weeks ago is a "zombie" thread? I mean where do we draw the line in regards to a zombie thread? One week since the last comment? Three days? A month? Six months?

Newp. Last year- that's a zombie thread to me.

And if the OP wants to dredge up her own thread in order to bitch about how mean we all are, have at it, honey!

This wasn't the OP ... it is a different Knottie #s.

I cannot keep all of them straight ><

hahaha, me neither. I just noticed because new Knottie #s commented on one that original Knottie #s did, so it was easier to look at the numbers. And it didn't help that both of the numbers ended in '3'.

So maybe "zombie" isn't the "right" term ... I just find it annoying that it's being brought back up for such a stupid reason.

drunkenwitch · November 2015

holyguacamole79 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

holyguacamole79 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

Maggie0829 said:

Am I the only one who doesn't think a thread that was last commented on 2 weeks ago is a "zombie" thread? I mean where do we draw the line in regards to a zombie thread? One week since the last comment? Three days? A month? Six months?

Newp. Last year- that's a zombie thread to me.

And if the OP wants to dredge up her own thread in order to bitch about how mean we all are, have at it, honey!

This wasn't the OP ... it is a different Knottie #s.

I cannot keep all of them straight ><

hahaha, me neither. I just noticed because new Knottie #s commented on one that original Knottie #s did, so it was easier to look at the numbers. And it didn't help that both of the numbers ended in '3'.

So maybe "zombie" isn't the "right" term ... I just find it annoying that it's being brought back up for such a stupid reason.

How about "dead horse thread" since people just won't stop beating the poor issue.

Knottie82223823 · November 2015

It is astounding, isn't it - that a board full of people well versed in etiquette rules would recognize rude behavior and provide suggestions to correct it. Shocking, if you ask me.

LOL at "bullies" and "abusive". Actually, not LOL. It's not funny to throw around those terms when you're referring to people on an online forum giving advice to people who don't know any better or have horribly planned "unique ideas" to basically get around properly hosting guests. Calling "bully" or "abuse" when someone says something you don't agree with, even in a tone you don't agree with is a defense of the weak-minded. It also makes a mockery of those words and is extremely inconsiderate to those who may have indeed been victims of bullying or abuse. A bride to be who comes here and says that she wants to have "party crasher invites", gets a whole lot of people saying how rude it is and WHY, is NOT a victim of bullying.

Finally, the reason that it's not found to be the fault of the community is b/c we obey the TOU. You do not see us name-calling, you do not see us personally harassing anyone, you do not see us practice discrimination, you do not see us advertising for our businesses, etc. In other words, we are not violating TOU.

Rude behavior is everywhere, online and IRL. Helping people understand the rules of etiquette (aka good manners) even if you have to be blunt and honest and *gasp* risk hurting a poster's feelings is STILL doing that person a favor. Believe me - if some of the behavior of the speshuls that I see on here carries over into other aspects of their life beyond wedding planning, like WORK, God help them. And yes, sometimes we express the absolute astonishment about some of the stuff we see on here...b/c people's rudeness can be truly, to use your words, astounding.

Just in this reply you called people who don't agree with you "weak minded" and "speshuls." You and I have very different opinions of what is considered name calling. Your entire response, actually, illustrates my original point perfectly. You're not going to agree with that, obviously, because who WOULD agree that they're being a bully?

I am certainly not the first person to express this opinion and, just as you urge brides committing etiquette faux pas to listen to the feedback when a bunch of different people are telling you the same thing, perhaps you should do the same.

Knottie82223823 · November 2015

kimmiinthemitten said:

Knottie82223823 said:

I 100% agree with you. I have been reading these boards for over a year now and it's full of nasty, mean bullies who seem to get off on putting others down.

You can try and justify your treatment of others all you want by calling it "blunt," or "honest," or implying that the person you're talking with is thin skinned, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of posters around here are abusive to people.

A LOT of girls come on here and complain about the treatment they received...but amazingly, it's never the fault of the community and always the fact that the original poster was rude, or naive, or thin skinned, or looking for validation, or unable to take the truth, or a pretty princess, or entitled...or...or...or....
It's astounding, really.

Not to mention, why have you spent over a year of your life on these boards if you hate them so much? That's like saying "I despise spaghetti, but eat it every Sunday for dinner." Make a hamburger then; no one is forcing you to eat the spaghetti!

I didn't say that EVERYONE on here is a bully. There are, thankfully, quite a few people on here with constructive comments that make the forums worth visiting. To use your own analogy, you're suggesting that just because I had a bad spaghetti dinner I should swear off pasta for the rest of my life.

kimmiinthemitten · November 2015

Knottie82223823 said:

kimmiinthemitten said:

Knottie82223823 said:

I 100% agree with you. I have been reading these boards for over a year now and it's full of nasty, mean bullies who seem to get off on putting others down.

You can try and justify your treatment of others all you want by calling it "blunt," or "honest," or implying that the person you're talking with is thin skinned, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of posters around here are abusive to people.

A LOT of girls come on here and complain about the treatment they received...but amazingly, it's never the fault of the community and always the fact that the original poster was rude, or naive, or thin skinned, or looking for validation, or unable to take the truth, or a pretty princess, or entitled...or...or...or....
It's astounding, really.

Not to mention, why have you spent over a year of your life on these boards if you hate them so much? That's like saying "I despise spaghetti, but eat it every Sunday for dinner." Make a hamburger then; no one is forcing you to eat the spaghetti!

I didn't say that EVERYONE on here is a bully. There are, thankfully, quite a few people on here with constructive comments that make the forums worth visiting. To use your own analogy, you're suggesting that just because I had a bad spaghetti dinner I should swear off pasta for the rest of my life.

I'm saying if the same restaurant gives you bad spaghetti over and over again order something different or find a new restaurant.

onefootinthebayou · November 2015

Knottie82223823 said:

It is astounding, isn't it - that a board full of people well versed in etiquette rules would recognize rude behavior and provide suggestions to correct it. Shocking, if you ask me.

LOL at "bullies" and "abusive". Actually, not LOL. It's not funny to throw around those terms when you're referring to people on an online forum giving advice to people who don't know any better or have horribly planned "unique ideas" to basically get around properly hosting guests. Calling "bully" or "abuse" when someone says something you don't agree with, even in a tone you don't agree with is a defense of the weak-minded. It also makes a mockery of those words and is extremely inconsiderate to those who may have indeed been victims of bullying or abuse. A bride to be who comes here and says that she wants to have "party crasher invites", gets a whole lot of people saying how rude it is and WHY, is NOT a victim of bullying.

Finally, the reason that it's not found to be the fault of the community is b/c we obey the TOU. You do not see us name-calling, you do not see us personally harassing anyone, you do not see us practice discrimination, you do not see us advertising for our businesses, etc. In other words, we are not violating TOU.

Rude behavior is everywhere, online and IRL. Helping people understand the rules of etiquette (aka good manners) even if you have to be blunt and honest and *gasp* risk hurting a poster's feelings is STILL doing that person a favor. Believe me - if some of the behavior of the speshuls that I see on here carries over into other aspects of their life beyond wedding planning, like WORK, God help them. And yes, sometimes we express the absolute astonishment about some of the stuff we see on here...b/c people's rudeness can be truly, to use your words, astounding.

Just in this reply you called people who don't agree with you "weak minded" and "speshuls." You and I have very different opinions of what is considered name calling. Your entire response, actually, illustrates my original point perfectly. You're not going to agree with that, obviously, because who WOULD agree that they're being a bully?

I am certainly not the first person to express this opinion and, just as you urge brides committing etiquette faux pas to listen to the feedback when a bunch of different people are telling you the same thing, perhaps you should do the same.

The bolded is 100% false. You have fabricated that statement b/c you don't have a valid response to my comments. I'll reiterate: calling someone a bully when they disagree with you (general you) or criticize or correct your rude behavior is a DEFENSE of the weak-minded. What that means is that it's a lousy and weak attempt to deflect criticism by calling the person criticizing you a bully. It's weak and ineffective. Now, if I were to actually name call, I would say, "Knottie#s, you are a weak-minded person", which I didn't do, nor have I ever done since that would violate TOU and I don't know whether or not you actually ARE weak-minded, b/c I don't know you. See how that is different?

The use of the word "speshuls" is a generalization of the type of poster that comes on and says something like, "I'm going to have a cash bar no matter how many people tell me it's rude, it's MY day and I'm going to do what I want!" or "I'm getting married outside in December in a barn with no electricity can you please give me some ideas for a cute poem or sign that will let people know they have to bring their own food, drinks, and electric blankets?" I use this term to describe people who are so appallingly rude that you can scarcely believe they exist. Did I ever say, "Hey username, you're nothing but a speshul snowflake!"? No. The answer is no.

For the record, I just want to get this straight - the second bolded implies that you're calling me a bully. Is that true? If you can convince me of this in a coherent way that doesn't involve you trying to twist my words or fabricate things I didn't say, I'll admit it in a heartbeat. I have a slow work week with the holiday so I'm happy to oblige. Something tells me I'll be waiting awhile though. You're pretty off the mark on that one.

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