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Update! Setback - I'm unemployed.

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Today is my first day unemployed. I was not fired, although I left abruptly and on bad terms. I don't think I've talked much about my job but the last 2.5 years have made me pretty miserable and something happened yesterday that was the last in a long line of last straws. I work in a call center, so at least I have a clean conscience as far as not leaving a lot of work undone for others to clean up, etc. (I did a lot of extra projects and things but these were mostly committee-based so it shouldn't be bad.) Obviously quitting a job suddenly is not a very responsible decision so I am not jumping for joy or shouting from the rooftops, but overall I feel relieved and hopeful for the future. I told FH that he hasn't really known me the way I used to be - optimistic and cheerful and I'm really looking forward to our lives not revolving around how shitty and miserable my job made me feel. I am hoping that this is one of those times that we can look back on and say, Wow, it really sucked at the time, but if it hadn't happened, X, Y, and Z wouldn't have happened. I'm glad how everything worked out. LOL! Maybe that's naïve. ;) 

By the way, I worked all day and left work at my normal time, I didn't walk out. And FH and I talked for hours before I made my final decision. I also talked awhile with my mom. We have savings that will see us through for awhile although my intention is to be employed ASAP. The only thing holding me back at the moment is FMIL having a lump in her breast biopsied this week. His dad is in the early stages of what the doctors have called a "Parkinsonian" condition and cannot drive and shouldn't be alone because he can get confused or fall. So, if his mom comes back with a cancer diagnosis it might be good timing for me to be able to stay at the house with FFIL while her SIL takes her to appointments. My partner, our mortgage, and our cats are my first priorities, 1000%. But the result of the biopsy is in my mind, is all I'm saying.

I don't even want to think about the wedding. FH and mom both say we will proceed as planned but it makes me sick to think about spending the rest of the money. My mom has about $1800 real, paid-out dollars in it right now and we have about $1500. To satisfy the rest of our deposits and purchase alcohol, my mom's part is about $3000 and our part is about $4000. I mentioned to my mom about going to the courthouse and she got really upset. And then she said she would still want to have a celebration party for us so it wouldn't save very much money at all, only the flowers and a few odds and ends. Ugh. And beyond finances, I'm worrying over taking time off for my cousin's shower, wedding (I'm a BM), my shower, and my wedding and honeymoon. At my (now former) company you have to be employed 90 days before any time off is given. 

Career-wise, I don't know. February would have been six years at this company. I'm 27, and prior to working here I usually kept 2-3 retail jobs although I did a one year stint in HR. So basically a customer service and retail background, with banking (not finance) background and a bit of HR. I haven't completed any education yet. FH is in school part-time for engineering. So our general plan was for me to continue to work in a bonus-driven industry (I planned to leave this company after the wedding and get a similar job for a few years) while he finishes school, and then when he gets an engineering job at a higher salary, to work part-time and go back to school full-time, living off his salary and putting mine into savings. That was approximately a 8 to 10-year plan for us both to be done with school (FH is only taking 2 classes per semester so the progress is super slow) and paying down our mortgage early before building our forever house.

I think we can probably just continue with this plan. It should, knock wood, be fairly easy for me to get another call center job because I was very good at it even though I despised it. I also have two excellent references from my job whom I've already spoken to and confirmed I can use. At the same time, I worry about leaving a horrible situation and heading straight into another one. But with no education I can't really industry-hop at my own leisure! And our savings are not significant enough to support any more than a couple months of job seeking.

We will be immediately cutting back on anything non-essential. We had already canceled cable for a savings of $120 a month, thankfully, we did that last month. Our biggest opportunity is food, so we will be batch cooking and making some of our packaged staples from scratch (black bean burritos my FH buys from Trader Joe's, etc.) as well as focusing on meatless meals and crockpot stuff. I'd love some feedback and ideas for anyone eating on a budget. And hey, I've really struggled with my weight loss this year so this will definitely be a kick in the ass and a form of enforced calorie restriction :p 

Wow, this got really long. I think it has helped to talk some of this stuff out to someone other than my FH and mom. I am sure several users will dress me down for quitting without another job ready, and that's okay. Any feedback and advise is welcome. Thanks for listening, Knotties. :) 
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Re: Update! Setback - I'm unemployed.

  • First of all, I am so sorry to hear that your job made you miserable for so long. Life is too short to allow a job to beat you down forever. I think your decision to leave sounds well thought out, and it seems that you really needed to do it.

    As far as eating on a budget- I feel you there. DH and I have committed to eat at home as much as possible since eating out gets pricey very quickly. The crock pot has been a life saver for us. I made a roast in the crock pot last week (cost about $9) and we ate several meals off of it. I basically just made different vegetables to go with it each time we ate it.

    Other cheap, long lasting meals that I've made are chili, casseroles (I'm from the south, don't judge :p) and beans and rice. All of those are filling and if you make a big enough batch, can be stretched for a long time.

    I hope this helps. Wishing you the best of luck in finding a new job!

  • I agree that in the long run you'll realize this brought you to something else. Something better! My current job, I never thought I could love it! It's my first full-time, salary job with all the bells and whistles. Acknowledgement when I do good, and not condescending when I make mistakes. But I never would have got it if I hadn't called to follow up on my resume.

    Hopefully your FMIL doesn't have cancer, but at least if you're needed you'd be able to help out. That's unfortunate about your FFIL diagnosis :(

    I think you'll be fine, and clearly you didn't do this on impulse. Keep us posted on everything! Fingers crossed for good news! 
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    First off, it sounds like your job was horrible and made you feel terrible, it's good to be out of there. It also sounds like you're doing everything to find a new one (calling references, taking stock of your skills, etc. ) so no dressing down from me!

    Second, I hope your FMIL's tests go well and that it's not cancer. It's admirable that you would plan to step up and be with FFIL needed you to stay with him.

    Third, I think you can take a bit of a breath before scaling back on wedding plans and long-term goals. You may find a job quickly (maybe even one that pays more or at the very least makes you happier) and there will be no need to change plans. Give it a few weeks after sending out resumes or applications. If it still looks like there isn't anything coming down the like then start thinking about major changes. Give yourself some time.

    Finally, I agree about crockpot meals. We also do a lot of frozen dishes (easier and keeps longer). My H hates meatless meals so we do a lot with ground beef, and braising cheaper cuts of meat. I've gotten creative with how to make these tasty and not do the same thing over and over again. And store coupons (while annoying to keep up with) do save us a lot of money.

    Good luck on the job search, and hoping FMIL is cancer free.
  • I just want to wish you and your family, especially your FMIL, all the best. I hope things work out for you and that your FMIL doesn't have cancer.
  • I'm sorry about your unemployment, and your FMIL and FFIL's health issues. You should be proud of yourself for recognizing your job was awful and for standing up for yourself and refusing to take crap from them. 

    I wish the best for you and your family.
  • I completely get you. While it sucks to quit without something else lined up, I have often urged my H to do the same. When you hate your job it spills over into the rest of your life. My H hated his last position and it often made home life sucky. He would be grumpy frequently and down on Sundays about having to go back to work. Having him be happier about his new position was so nice.

    And you're right, sometimes you just need to take a leap to get out of your crappy situation and into a better one. And I hope your FMIL's tests come back with good results. Cancer sucks.

    I also have some experience with taking vacation right after starting jobs. My family and I had a trip to Germany (to see more family) planned in May of 2012 (I think). I was job hunting in Feb/March of the same year. When I was in the final stages of the interview process for the new job, I mentioned that I had a trip planned in May and asked if that would be a problem. It allowed us to negotiate and get the trip approved before I even started. They even gave me time off because it was a job that accrued hours off and I wouldn't have enough by the time I needed to leave on my trip. They were very understanding about it and it didn't end up being an issue.

    And for my current job, I was engaged with a wedding date when I was interviewing. Since I was still five months out from the wedding we didn't talk any firm dates, but I let them know it was coming up. I know lots of places ask about any big trips or time off when they're interviewing. I really think the key is to be upfront about some of this stuff. Let them know about your wedding/honeymoon plans and if you have other days you might need off. I think people are really understanding (especially about weddings). And really, if it's a place that won't give you time off for your wedding, you probably aren't walking into a better situation that you had at your old job.


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  • Three years ago I quit a job that made me cry.  I had a nice savings and planned on sitting at home doing nothing for several months.  Then I started some hardcore interviewing.  Finally got a long-term Temp job after five months of being unemployed.  I'm going to recommend Temping to you.  It doesn't necessarily pay great, but it can get your foot in the door any many different places and industries, some of which you never would have imagined you'd like.  I started collecting letters of recommendation at all my temp gigs.  I got hired on permanently at the 3rd long-term temp position I worked.  I've been here as a permanent employee for over a year and a half now, and love it.

    Good luck!
  • Wishing you and your whole family the best of luck.  Hopefully, your FMIL gets a clean bill of health!  Take care!
  • Thoughts and prayers for your FMIL.  I hope she gets good news, but if it isn't, she can still have a long and productive life with modern medical treatment.  I am proof of that!
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  • Thank you so much to everyone who has responded. I've felt a little shaky all day wondering if I made the right choice and it's felt really good to hear the feedback and encouragement.

    I put my Big Bang Theory DVDs in for some happy company and did a bunch of laundry and the dishes this morning (I want to get up at the same time roughly every day plus since burdening my FH with being the only income I do not want to lay about like it's vacation). I haven't eaten yet today and I'm not hungry but I'm going to eat something before it gets away from me. Tomorrow I will go to the library to work on my resume which is about 2 years old.

    @thefanciestbeckler, Thank you so much! I'm all for casseroles! FH is more picky about them (he has an issue with the word "casserole" for some reason) but I'm sure I can find some good ones. That's a good idea since it's just the two of us and each casserole will be 6-8 servings, we can freeze them in pairs and heat up. Also last month I bought 8 pounds of dry black beans and 4 pounds of pinto beans that were on clear-out pricing at my grocery store (I think each 4-lb bag was a buck and change) so I will be putting those in the crockpot to replace more expensive canned beans. Beans are a diet food for us because of the fiber so we'll just ratchet them up a little more!

    @MissKittyDanger, thank you for the encouragement! I'm really hoping that it will be a positive move. My mom and FH were very supportive because they know how long I have been unhappy. 

    @charlotte989875, thank you, my mom and FH agree with you on making changes to the plans, mom keeps saying "Just breathe for a day or two." I guess it's kinda like when you get engaged and all of a sudden you have 1,000 things to do and you want to get them all done immediately. Our wedding, in a vacuum, is definitely the bright spot of the next few months and I'm really looking forward to it. I hope we don't have to change it. Do you have any favorite crockpot cookbooks or recipe sites? Pinterest has a lot but tends to be pretty cheese-heavy haha and although delicious we'd prefer more of low-calorie stuff.

    @Jen4948, thank you so much. I really hope she doesn't too... with his dad getting sick in Feb of this year and both of my parents having heart attacks in May... this would be the VERY LAST THING WE NEED!

    @sparklepants41, thanks so much. I was so torn for so long because of fear and emotional attachment. I really loved (love) the company itself, but the particular worksite I was in was very toxic. I kept thinking I could transfer back to my original worksite and tried a couple times but that was just a pipe dream, lol. I definitely hope my next job brings at least some peace if not actual fulfillment!

    @anjemon, thank you for sharing some of your husband's struggle. It is really bad and I have tried very hard to contain it so it doesn't affect my partner but obviously carrying a burden alone isn't healthy and I would break down at times. I can't wait to feel good about myself again! And hating your job can become its own toxic obsession... I had a good work friend who also hated it (well, we all do!) and we would constantly bitch to each other. I tried to stop a few times but it was like an addiction. She would complain and then I would, and then gossip, and complain, and gossip and complain... and on, just feeding into the negativity. Thanks for the counsel about the time off! Hopefully I'll find something with weekdays so that would solve most of the issues (and I don't really need to be at the rehearsal because I do know how to walk in a straight line! ;) ) but if not I'll be upfront about it.

    @adk19, thanks! I read about temping during my anxiety-driven "google all the unemployment things" binge at 6:30 this morning haha. There's a couple of companies nearby I could check out. How did you find it affected your resume? I could, for example, go out and get a job at a fast food place probably today but I'd like to keep my resume somewhat clean and professional. Do you just say they are temp gigs? Or leave them off and explain them when the employer asks about the gap?
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    I missed you two ladies while I was typing, thanks so much for the kind words and I am definitely hoping my FMIL is cancer-free! I am glad you are around and healthy, @CMGragain and those words are so encouraging. :) 
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  • Thank you so much to everyone who has responded. I've felt a little shaky all day wondering if I made the right choice and it's felt really good to hear the feedback and encouragement.

    @adk19, thanks! I read about temping during my anxiety-driven "google all the unemployment things" binge at 6:30 this morning haha. There's a couple of companies nearby I could check out. How did you find it affected your resume? I could, for example, go out and get a job at a fast food place probably today but I'd like to keep my resume somewhat clean and professional. Do you just say they are temp gigs? Or leave them off and explain them when the employer asks about the gap?
    I put the name of the temp company on my resume.  And each line underneath included the individual company I worked for.  The formatting is screwed up and I changed the phone numbers, but this is an actual excerpt from my resume.  I used the title of the person I was replacing.  For example, I wasn't actually a "Senior Associate" at PFM, I was a temp, but I was temping FOR a Senior Associate, so it counts.

    November 2013-June 2014        LaSalle Network, 312.999.9999        Chicago, IL

    Administrative Assistant/ Receptionist/ Data Entry

    • Senior Associate at Public Financial Management, 312.999.9999, Chicago

    • Office management including answering and transferring phone calls, ordering office supplies, and troubleshooting office equipment issues.

    • Completing expense reports in Concur for five Managing Directors.

    • Creating and scheduling marketing mailings, updating marketing lists.

    • Project Coordinator at American Osteopathic Association, Chicago

    • Processing dues and registration payments and creating check requests for managed Affiliate groups.

    • Maintaining accurate membership logs for managed Affiliate groups and mailing out membership certificates as needed.

    • Creating travel briefing memos for Board of Directors members attending meetings of Affiliate groups.

    April 2013-November 2013     Ajilon Professional Staffing, 312.999.9999        Chicago, IL

    Administrative Assistant/ Receptionist/ Data Entry

    • Member Services at Illinois CPA Society, 312.999.9999, Chicago

    • Use of multi-line phone system to transfer and forward calls to correct office personnel.

    • Greet daily visitors and direct them to one of several conference rooms.

    • Mail merge, print, and collate various documents for large monthly membership mailings or other marketing mailings.

    • Organized four storage areas and discarded old marketing items.

    • Receptionist at Enablon, Willis Tower, Chicago

  • @spockforprez I really like the Cooking Light books, there is a "Slow Cooking Classic" one, but you can find 100ish of the favorites here (and don't have to buy the book), http://www.cookinglight.com/food/top-rated-recipes/slow-cooker-favorites. Good luck!

  • Sounds like you made really wise decision!  Best of luck with everything; I'm sure you'll find something much more enjoyable :)

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    Thank you Lynda!
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  • @spockforprez I really like the Cooking Light books, there is a "Slow Cooking Classic" one, but you can find 100ish of the favorites here (and don't have to buy the book), http://www.cookinglight.com/food/top-rated-recipes/slow-cooker-favorites. Good luck!

    Awesome, thanks so much for the link!
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  • Sounds like a particularly shitty time @spockforprez  but you've made a really positive step! I've been there and its so draining to have a job that means you spend 50hrs of your week miserable. I know what you mean when you said to your FI that he doesn't really know you as you were before, it changes you. Here's to better things around the corner for you, and fingers crossed your FMIL is all clear.
                 
  • I think that although unfortunate, and maybe not the best of times (although with what is going on with your FMIL, maybe it is), that you made the best decision for you. 

    I don't think any job is worth having your soul sucked. Yes, we all have to work, and sometimes we don't love our job all the time, but when ALL the time is bad, or your job starts affecting the rest of your life, it's time to get out.

    Take some time for yourself, reflect, figure out what you want, help your FMIL, and then get yourself back in the game! But even if you have to take a job at coffee shop, it's better than losing yourself in the process.

    A friend of mine is in a similar situation- things had been going bad for awhile. Friend would be in tears from work regularly. She was thinking of leaving but feared the "what ifs" and was more concerned that she HAD to keep the job so she could buy a house and have kids by age 30. That job was ruining her though. They ended up letting her go- all of a sudden, in the midst of the drama. She was upset, but I honestly think it's for the best. My friend has post a post secondary degree and diploma, but her field is a bit tricky to get into permanent/full time, so she has been going to a community agency that offers workshops on resumes, interviews, etc and hosts networking events. It seems to be working well for her!  
  • A bad job can be like a virus and it can eat at your soul.  Those jobs are better off not having if you have a choice, even in the short term.  Best of luck with the job search and with FMIL. 

    You have a great attitude and a great support system.  That's most important.
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  • Honey, let me just tell you. I've been there. I also worked at a call center. It was for the number 1 utility company in Michigan, and I worked it for three years. It was a soul crushing place, with no room for growth, but I still stayed because it was safe, and comfortable for me. I got used to nice weekly paychecks, and settled into an ok life. The work was easy enough, but I started to notice that I was angry. All. The. Time. And I had a personal vendetta with these customers. I could not understand HOW the system failed so many people, and I just became a terrible person. I hated the company for how it took advantage of customers, and I hated that I supported it. Well, my boyfriend at the time (now FI) got a new job at about the same pay so knowing that we can make it on just that income, I called him from the office and asked if I could just quit. I quit on my three year anniversary there, and became a stay at home mom. Yeah we have to budget a lot more, but I couldnt stand coming home from work every single day feeling miserable. I promise you can do it.

  • Thanks so much, everyone! Day 2 is going okay, still a lot of anxiety but I redid my resume and applied to two jobs this morning. Working on stuff around the house, some stuff in the garage, some leftover unpacking from our move in July, etc. It's nice to get things done and this afternoon I will start some batch cooking. 

    Last night FH and I had a long moment of peace together. It finally got cold enough to turn our fireplace on and we snuggled and dozed together. It was wonderful and I felt very encouraged and hopeful. 

    Our view last night - 


    That's the way to go about it. Glad you're feeling more settled.

    One more thing that has occurred to me, I've heard that hiring is super slow around this time for any big company. There are a lot of people out of the office and it gets hard to get all the right people together for an interview. I've worked at places where practically everyone is on mandatory vacation from Christmas to New Year. So I'd say if you don't get a reply right away it might not mean they aren't interested.
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  • I second contacting a staffing agency or two and looking into temp work.  I was laid off late last year and after severance pay ran out temping paid more than unemployment.  I don't think it looks bad on your resume and if you are asked in an interview just explain it was a temp assignment to get by.  The key is in any interview to be honest and open, about leaving your prior job, working temp jobs, your upcoming wedding.  Most staffing firms have a permanent placement side too and can really help you look for a new job.  Do your research and take advantage of any assistance you find.  Best of luck to you!
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  • @spockforprez That is a beautiful view!!
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    @spockforprez That is a beautiful view!!

    Thank you! The little den definitely looks picturesque this Christmas! :) 
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  • I know I'm a bit late here ... been thinking about you, @spockforprez  ... I hope all works out for the best.  It looks like you have a great outlook on things (and a great view, too!).  Hang in there, and I hope things go well!!  
  • Hi! I'm late to this thread but I just wanted to say a couple things. After I graduated from school, I couldn't find a job for a few months. Actually, I had been job hunting for my whole last year of school, graduated at the end of May, and didn't get my current job until the end of October. It was really stressful.

    So, here's my advice:
    1. Besides temp type work, have you ever considered babysitting? I had luckily found a babysitting gig through a website (sittercity.com, but there are others, like care.com) and I just ramped up how often I babysat after I took the bar/before I got the job, which really did help supplement our income. I happen to have a lot of experience in this area, so it might not make sense for you, but thought I'd mention it just in case. I actually still babysit for this family like twice a month and it's really nice side income (and also I like hanging out with the kid and his parents).
    2. I think your instinct on waking up at a similar time is a good one - it's important to keep up a schedule and not lay in bed and be stressed, etc. Of course, feel free to sleep in once in a while and stuff, but just in general, wake up, do your morning routine, and start the day.
    3. Dedicate a specific block of time every day to applying for jobs. I used to spend like the whole morning looking at the websites I used applying for jobs. This way, I could check that off my list of accomplishments and feel good that I had done enough for the day.
    4. I had lots of different advice about holding out for a job I really wanted vs. taking the first one offered. I ultimately took the first one offered. It is not at all the type of work I thought I would be doing, but it was a full-time job with full (and actually great) benefits. I started applying for a different job about six months after I started here and got nowhere. I (clearly) wasn't happy here and wanted to get out. However, when we got engaged, I stopped applying and focused on my current job and wedding planning. And you know what ended up happening? I liked my job. Once I wasn't staring at my phone and email praying for an interview, I could focus more on doing the task at hand. Since then, I've actually really thrived here. So, the point of this is that you may get a job offer for something you weren't sure about, but consider taking it. You never know. And, worst case scenario, you stay somewhere for a year or so and try to move on again. 
    5. I got this job through someone who knew someone. I am terrible at networking and had almost no one to help me out. Everyone says it's who you know and, sadly, that turned out to be true. But this was someone relatively distant - my brother's now fiancee's sister - and it worked out. So think about literally everyone you know and whether they work somewhere they could submit your resume.

    At the time, FI and I had just moved in together and he was in his last year of school, so I was supposed to start making money to pay our expenses/support us for the year. I was very fortunate to have savings and FI was living on school loans that he used to help support us, plus the babysittting gig. But the most important thing was that FI was so very supportive and knew how hard I was working to try to find a full-time job. It says like your FI is also super supportive of you, and I cannot tell you how good that is going to be. I hope your family and friends are supportive, too. If someone isn't, I would avoid talking to them. But I found most people understand how hard it is to be unemployed and to find a job and are nice about.

    Sorry if that was unnecessarily long, but I just want you to know that I feel your pain and you will get through this!
  • Thank you @holyguacamole79 . :) 

    Thank you for the insight @nerdwife ! I definitely tried the "approach my current job with a better attitude" thing many, many times. A few times it would be okay and then some other shit would happen and I'd be like Why am I not surprised? (Seriously, that place was the pits. Far and away from my actual job, the facilities were crap. In October they shut off the water and made us work with porta potties and hand sanitizer - then served us pizza as an apology. Sorry, I don't want people who wiped their asses with no sink to wash their hands reaching into a communal pizza box. A bunch of us left and got written up because of it. Also, two days before Thanksgiving we found out the building had had a bedbug infestation since August and they never told us. I wanted to post about it here but a couple people who talked about it on social media were fired so I kept mum. They didn't close the building for that either.) 

    Phew, having said that, I definitely agree and while I'd love to actually get my adult shit together and figure out my career path and focus on getting a degree and a job that match, the fact is I need to work to live and no matter the job it will be much more pleasant if I have a positive attitude!

    I'm not sure about babysitting but the "odd jobs" idea is a good one! I've always wanted to edit papers for money. I'd probably only make $5 a day lol. Also, my cousin does sales for companies in this region and has offered to see if anyone is hiring for office staff of any kind. I definitely plan to take her up on that! 

    Thank you so much for your positive words. I'm definitely feeling MUCH BETTER this week than last. I had a good weekend visiting my family with FH and have accomplished a ton around the house since Monday.

    FMIL should hear today about the result of her biopsy. Fingers crossed that it's benign! 
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  • @spockforprez ummmm WHAT???? I'm pretty sure it is a health code violation to have no running water in a workplace..... but whatever. at least you are out of that crap shoot now!

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