Knottie Democratic Primary

huskypuppy14 · March 2016

I voted for Hillary yesterday (Massachusetts), as did my husband, but using Facebook to analyze who should win, you think it would have been Bernie. I think a lot of people who do vote for Hillary, don't publicize it because a lot of people hate her. Probably the same for trump supporters.

STARMOON44 · March 2016

If you don't see a difference between Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz I'm very comfortable calling you an idiot.

hellohkb · March 2016

NavyBlue143 said:

Has anybody seen that meme going around that says Bill chose other women, so should you? Disgusting. I call it out as the sexism it is, and usually get some form of "if you don't like it, keep scrolling, we're not all going to agree". Because not calling out sexism works so well for women as a whole.

For the record, I voted Bernie. But I'll support Hillary too in the likely even she gets the nomination. She's not my favorite, but she'll do a damn fine job, I think.

I called people out for this yesterday. I am so disappointed that so many fellow Bernie supporters are tearing her apart for her husband's infidelity. Or for her looks for that matter. I saw the same meme yesterday and had to make a status expressing my sadness and disappointment that several of my fb friends shared the meme and are doing things that Bernie would NOT want them doing. I would expect that crap from Trump, not from supporters of a man who is basing his campaign off of peace and respect. A person who shared that meme then made a status about how she's too much for "sensitive people". I'm guessing aimed at me lol.

Tear her apart for her policies or actions, if you must... Not for her husband's stupidity or her looks.

hellohkb · March 2016

STARMOON44 said:

If you don't see a difference between Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz I'm very comfortable calling you an idiot.

I'm for Bernie all the way but have to agree with this. I will happily and proudly vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination- There are MASSIVE differences between her and Cruz (and Trump).

sparklepants41 · March 2016

hellohkb said:

STARMOON44 said:

If you don't see a difference between Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz I'm very comfortable calling you an idiot.

I'm for Bernie all the way but have to agree with this. I will happily and proudly vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination- There are MASSIVE differences between her and Cruz (and Trump).

I could not agree more.

photokitty · March 2016

I can't get too upset about super delegates when you can legit win the popular vote, but lose the election bc of the electoral congress. That is some bull shit right there.

How is that still a thing???

monkeysip · March 2016

I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but I agree she's has dealt with scrutiny over ridiculous things, especially being a woman. It's not ok to be criticizing her looks and clothing, or criticizing her for staying with a cheating husband. Those personal attacks are just gross

kimmiinthemitten · March 2016

photokitty said:

I can't get too upset about super delegates when you can legit win the popular vote, but lose the election bc of the electoral congress. That is some bull shit right there.

How is that still a thing???

I'm sure President Trump will get rid of it;).

Since this is the Dem thread, can we just give a shout out to "The Supremes" for their fantastic line of questioning and reasoning in yesterday's hearing?!? They make me proud to be the same gender as them!

MCmeow · March 2016

Yo, Bernie is killing it in the debate right now. WOO

kimmiinthemitten · March 2016

Yes he is! Did you know an hour before the debate, a Clinton staffer was on CNN with Wolf Blitzer and said it was irresponsible to ask the Governor to step down, and then she opened by calling for his resignation or recall?

kimmiinthemitten · March 2016

Some last minute finagling with FI landed us here:

MCmeow · March 2016

kimmiinthemitten said:

Some last minute finagling with FI landed us here:

I'M SO JEALOUS

MCmeow · March 2016

kimmiinthemitten said:

Yes he is! Did you know an hour before the debate, a Clinton staffer was on CNN with Wolf Blitzer and said it was irresponsible to ask the Governor to step down, and then she opened by calling for his resignation or recall?

Nope didn't know that haha. And I think it's funny that people are making a big deal out of Bernie saying "Excuse me I'm talking", when Hillary always spoke over her time during the debate. As a life-long feminist, I hate that her supporters they're not treating her as an equal candidate and want to excuse every concerning thing she does because she's a woman, and cry sexism when she's criticized. Although I would always defend her when it is true sexism.

kimmiinthemitten · March 2016

@mcmeow I had the same conversation on Facebook yesterday. We have to be careful not to attribute everything we dislike as sexism.

I also think the expectation that male candidates temper their approach when debating female candidates to be far more sexist than anything else. No one bats an eye when they attack women for their appearance, temperament and family lives off stage but on stage we need to tap dance? She made it this far, I assure you, she can handle a tough debate!

STARMOON44 · March 2016

MCmeow said:

kimmiinthemitten said:

Yes he is! Did you know an hour before the debate, a Clinton staffer was on CNN with Wolf Blitzer and said it was irresponsible to ask the Governor to step down, and then she opened by calling for his resignation or recall?

Nope didn't know that haha. And I think it's funny that people are making a big deal out of Bernie saying "Excuse me I'm talking", when Hillary always spoke over her time during the debate. As a life-long feminist, I hate that her supporters they're not treating her as an equal candidate and want to excuse every concerning thing she does because she's a woman, and cry sexism when she's criticized. Although I would always defend her when it is true sexism.

Im glad you're around then to decide for all of us when something is true sexism.

MobKaz · March 2016

kimmiinthemitten said:

Ask the average voter and they have no idea how superdelegates work. Hell, most active democrats don't 100% understand superdelegates.

I think you're taking huge leaps with what I said. Is Hillary electable, hell yeah. She's a democratic power house who was won multiple elections on her own accord. She's also running a far superior campaign than she did the last go round, and her polling and election results are proving that.

However, to pretend that part of Bernie's unelectable argument isn't backed by inflated superdelegate counts is naive at best. If I was an on the fence voter, I would look at who had the lead and probably vote there. Actual Political Science backs that. It's typical voter behavior and it helps campaign managers plan how and who they target.

And being pro-Bernie hardly makes me anti-Hillary. I'm excited to have the opportunity to vote for a rare politician that has walked the walk his entire life. If Hillary walks away with the nomination, I'll still pay my party dues, and volunteer for her campaign (if time allows). I'll still be super pumped and proud to watch the first female be elected President. And this will still be my favorite campaign button in our super nerdy collection.

I will purposely make a "comment and dash" post here. Certain topics are simply too difficult to "discuss" in text. I also choose not to get into long dissertations on forums. I do think, however, that this is the new "mindset" that, at its most simplistic level, has caused some of the divisiveness in this country. Being "pro" anything is now being translated/interpreted as "anti" the other.

MCmeow · March 2016

STARMOON44 said:

MCmeow said:

kimmiinthemitten said:

Yes he is! Did you know an hour before the debate, a Clinton staffer was on CNN with Wolf Blitzer and said it was irresponsible to ask the Governor to step down, and then she opened by calling for his resignation or recall?

Nope didn't know that haha. And I think it's funny that people are making a big deal out of Bernie saying "Excuse me I'm talking", when Hillary always spoke over her time during the debate. As a life-long feminist, I hate that her supporters they're not treating her as an equal candidate and want to excuse every concerning thing she does because she's a woman, and cry sexism when she's criticized. Although I would always defend her when it is true sexism.

Im glad you're around then to decide for all of us when something is true sexism.

Never said I was going to decide anything, I just don't like when women are seen as fragile.

monkeysip · March 2016

I agree... if Bernie said that to a male candidate (and lord knows the Republicans have said things like that to each other--that's a whole other story), then no one would blink an eye. But Hillary's a woman and must be treated specially when she interrupts people *eye roll*.

There is, of course, legitimate sexism against her though. I'm not even a Hillary supporter, but it's ridiculous to be scrutinizing her personal life in ways that they don't do for the male candidates. Or gems like this: There's an electronic sign in a little shopping area by my house. it reads "Will Muslims respect a female president???" There's just SO many wrong things about that statement. You'd think I lived in some crazy rural area, but I really don't...

STARMOON44 · March 2016

Congrats to our local Bernie supporters! That was a very impressive win and definitely makes the coming weeks more interesting.

kimmiinthemitten · March 2016

STARMOON44 said:

Congrats to our local Bernie supporters! That was a very impressive win and definitely makes the coming weeks more interesting.

Thanks! There's a lot of theorizing on how the polls could be so wrong and it basically comes down to this: they polled people with land lines based on their 2008 through 2014 voting tendencies. In 2008 all Dems except Clinton and Dodd backed off of our primary ticket, we had weak Dems in both gubernatorial campaigns and obviously Obama went without challenge in 2012.

Also, I'm reading that her attempt to discredit him on the auto bailout backfired, since we take that and our hate of NAFTA pretty seriously around here. Ironically, I think it's also partially why Trump did well here.

MCmeow · March 2016

If anyone is interested (Since even with record crowds he's still being ignored by the media) here is bernie live in Seattle, WA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haYGY_V9gIw

It's pretty amazing to see the crowds, About 30k people in the rain in Seattle from what I've read but only 17k can fit in the venue.
And if there's any other hardcore Bernie Supporters, today I phonebanked despite having social anxiety for an hour, I reached plenty of people and felt like I made a difference. A few people didn't know where their polling place was, one didn't know the primary was coming up, two were undecided so I brought up a few points so hopefully it stuck. This website is great to get started, and it's pretty inspiring to see the live map of where all the calls are coming from:
Berniepb.com

kimmiinthemitten · March 2016

MCmeow said:

If anyone is interested (Since even with record crowds he's still being ignored by the media) here is bernie live in Seattle, WA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haYGY_V9gIw

It's pretty amazing to see the crowds, About 30k people in the rain in Seattle from what I've read but only 17k can fit in the venue.
And if there's any other hardcore Bernie Supporters, today I phonebanked despite having social anxiety for an hour, I reached plenty of people and felt like I made a difference. A few people didn't know where their polling place was, one didn't know the primary was coming up, two were undecided so I brought up a few points so hopefully it stuck. This website is great to get started, and it's pretty inspiring to see the live map of where all the calls are coming from:
Berniepb.com

Thanks, as a former Phone Bank Cooridanator I've wanted to help but they only text me days I can't! I'll try and log on tomorrow after work to help!

MCmeow · March 2016

kimmiinthemitten said:

MCmeow said:

If anyone is interested (Since even with record crowds he's still being ignored by the media) here is bernie live in Seattle, WA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haYGY_V9gIw

It's pretty amazing to see the crowds, About 30k people in the rain in Seattle from what I've read but only 17k can fit in the venue.
And if there's any other hardcore Bernie Supporters, today I phonebanked despite having social anxiety for an hour, I reached plenty of people and felt like I made a difference. A few people didn't know where their polling place was, one didn't know the primary was coming up, two were undecided so I brought up a few points so hopefully it stuck. This website is great to get started, and it's pretty inspiring to see the live map of where all the calls are coming from:
Berniepb.com

Thanks, as a former Phone Bank Cooridanator I've wanted to help but they only text me days I can't! I'll try and log on tomorrow after work to help!

Awesome, thanks for helping! I called a lady in Arizona who said I don't need to talk to her long because she's definitely voting Bernie and her and her family were at the rally yesterday and it according to her there's a lot of energy for him over there. Really exciting!

kylexo · March 2016

Good on you ladies working the phone banks! I'm moving in a week and a half and have been too crazy getting all that ready to join in, but I phone banked for Elizabeth Warren when she was running and it was such a rewarding experience!

I will be caucusing this Saturday in WA and am undecided, but leaning towards Hillary. I like Bernie a lot but I just feel she will be a better leader and that she has a better chance of uniting than he does. As shallow as it is, one of the reasons I am a little turned off by Bernie is some of his supporters. Lots of people turn closed minded and insufferable when it comes to politics, but some of the people on my Facebook newsfeed are just killing me. Comparing Hillary to Trump is insane.

One of the worst ones I saw that made me want to breathe fire was someone who posted "And how much of a fool would Hillary look like to be sitting at the same desk her husband say at while he cheated on her?! Vote Bernie!" Like, I'm so pumped that you're enthusiastic about your candidate but holy shit! What a bunch of sexist horse crap! That isn't something we'd EVER say if that candidate were a man, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with how she'd govern and is frankly no ones business. For all the public knows, they're swingers or have been privately separated since the 90s.

Also, anyone treating or speaking to people who don't support their candidate as stupid or as if they don't understand what they're doing or voting against their interests drives me nuts too. Sure, there are tons of low information voters, but treating people as if they are idiots for disagreeing with you sure isn't a way to sway people over to your side. Trust that I know why I'm voting for who I'm voting for. Ugh. I'm so ready for this election season to be over and to hopefully be celebrating either Hillary or Bernie's victory (cause either of them would make me totally happy.)

MCmeow · March 2016

@kylexo Definitely tired of this election too, it's just getting dangerous and scary. I completely understand being sick of some of the younger supporters, I think they're just overexcited and seriously need to tone it down, and unfortunately it's coming from all sides, especially the Trump side. I don't agree with Hillary in many of her stances, and I think she needs to stand up for what is right before it gets popular but it is never ok to make sexist remarks towards her.

Anyway I respect any decision you make because as a citizen you should be respected for exercising your rights and either Bernie or Hillary is much better than Trump. But I hope you take some time to look at his stances on issues you find important, since he's been under-covered in the media (After calling out the corruption in the mainstream media it's easy to see why, haha). Not trying to put any pressure, just spreading information. No matter what you decide, have a nice day!

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

P.S you phonebanked for Elizabeth Warren? Ok you're awesome, thank you. Hope she runs for president one day too.

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