People in Illinois

CharmedPam · July 2017

Don't we live/work in a great state?

CharmedPam · July 2017

for some reason my image doeskin show up?

Income tax (32%) increase

Single $50K -$672
Married $100K - $1,246
Married (+2 kids) $100K - $1,193
Married (+2 kids) $150K - $1,793

(source: Illinois policy institute)

I hope if you have 1 kid nothing happens to you! lol

STARMOON44 · July 2017

I mean, yeah? Even after this increase your tax rates are lower than most states. 3.75% was ridiculously low. 4.95% isn't actually high.

CharmedPam · July 2017

right, and I googled the state tax map, which we won't be "pink" for much longer, but it still sucks. I'm moving to Texas.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-individual-income-tax-rates-brackets-2017/

STARMOON44 · July 2017

Ours is nearly 9%. Would vote to raise it. We have great schools, roads, public transit, etc.

Ro041 · July 2017

Real estate taxes in TX are higher. States get their money somewhere.

InLoveInQueens · July 2017

Ro041 said:

Real estate taxes in TX are higher. States get their money somewhere.

Ain't that the truth.

I live in NY, according to that map we're at 8.82%. But I also live in NYC which has their own 3% city tax, so I'm actually at closer to 12%.

The county I work in has the highest property tax rate in the country. That's not an exaggeration, we looked it up at work one day. We literally pay more in property taxes than any other county in the entire country, and I get asked constantly when I'm going to "stop throwing money away by renting and just buy a place".

Can this thread just be a big crying hugbox about taxes for a bit?

Did they give any kind of reason why married + 1 child isn't included in the change?

CMGragain · July 2017

Well, I have lived in many places around the country. When DH retired twelve years ago, it was a no-brainer to move away from the Maryland suburbs of Washington, DC. High cost of living, traffic, crime, horrible summer weather....couldn't wait to get out.

For the first time in my life I could CHOOSE where to live! I researched for two years. Western Colorado won. Mind you, this is the western slope, NOT Denver! We are 24 miles from the Utah state line, and the scenery is breathtaking. Housing costs half of what we were paying in Maryland, and state income taxes are senior friendly. In Maryland, closing costs on a house are in excess of $10,000, and that doesn't include any down payment. This is what the state and counties charge you for buying your house! When our Colorado real estate agent told us our closing costs, we just laughed and said, "No problem! We'll pay it!" (Made the sellers happy.)

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/tax/sales-tax-rates We get a boost from the legal marijuana sales.

DH spends lots of time hiking with senior groups, lecturing on native wildflowers for CU, and doing astronomy night activities. The photographer in him is very happy! There are so many community activities for everybody. Churches and social groups are very welcoming.

The only downside of living here is that air travel can be difficult, as there are only three destinations that you can fly direct from here and we are limited to three airlines, United, American, and Delta. Cheap flights are not available to us unless we drive four hours over the Rockies and pay to park the car at the airport.

Other than my kids, I don't miss the east coast at all. Life is good.

MobKaz · July 2017

STARMOON44 said:

Ours is nearly 9%. Would vote to raise it. We have great schools, roads, public transit, etc.

Sadly, Illinois does not.

DrillSergeantCat · July 2017

Oklahoma just snuck in a bill that added a 1.25% sales tax to auto sales. A group of auto dealers are now suing saying that it was unconstitutional because they passed it within 5 days of summer break.

Our income tax rate is 5.25%. Our schools are failing. Many of them have had to shorten the school week to save money. Oklahoma City Public Schools is having to shut schools down.

I see people bitch about all the taxes we pay even though our income tax rate is in the bottom half. They also bitch about the school system. They don't realize you can't have it both ways.

MobKaz · July 2017

CharmedPam said:

Don't we live/work in a great state?

I am so ragey right now it isn't even funny.

I am sick of people not doing their job at both the state and federal levels.
http://www.repnicksauer.com/2017/07/sauer-says-permanent-tax-increase-not.html?m=1

“On Sunday, more than 1,000 pages of legislation were put up for votes
on the House floor within mere hours of being filed. No one had time to
read the bills, yet they still passed,” said Sauer. “These bills
consisted of a permanent income tax increase and a budget that utterly
failed to address our state’s tremendous backlog of unpaid bills and
reform our broken system. The Governor was right to veto these bills and
they should have been upheld today.”

“Some
have argued that we had to pass this budget and tax increase so the
state would not be downgraded to junk status. However, Moody’s said
yesterday that it may still downgrade Illinois’ bond rating because this
budget fails to address our bill backlog and unfunded pension
liability. This is a clear indication that Speaker Madigan must stop
doubling down on the same old policies of the past thirty years and
finally recognize that playing politics with a gimmick change here or
there and calling it ‘reform’ has to stop.

Take the time to READ the blasted bills before voting. I am disgusted with the irresponsibility. I am so sick of Madigan running this state into the ground.

I will vote for anyone that will actually fight for the citizen rather than their own career. The problem is that there is not one politician that fits that criteria.

Aren't you glad you asked, @CharmedPam?

NavyBlue143 · July 2017

CharmedPam said:d

right, and I googled the state tax map, which we won't be "pink" for much longer, but it still sucks. I'm moving to Texas.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-individual-income-tax-rates-brackets-2017/

In Tx your AP biology teacher is allowed to tell you evolution is a lie from the Devil. Our Governors have been Bush, Rick Perry, and now that chucklefuck Abbott who might be the worst of the three. Special needs kids are being denied services, and our legislature is trying to make it straight up Handmaids Tale up in here. Give Tx a very wide berth.

kahluakoala · July 2017

Nothing about this tax map seems like an accident. I'll take a higher tax rate and acceptable public education any day of the week.

Casadena · July 2017

I just moved to Illinois and started following this disaster...not impressed.

Also @NavyBlue143 I'm going to start using "chucklefuck" about every single day. So thank you for introducing me to such a fantastic word.

thisismynickname2 · July 2017

Late to this thread. It's not about just the income tax rate. It's about the overall tax burden. Income tax + property tax + 7000 units of government + sales tax + that + etc.

This fucking nanny state won't even do smart things like legalize fireworks ($$ for WI and IN), legalize marijuana (I hear CO and WA are doing great with that), build more casinos, that kind of thing. They have to "protect" us from ourselves. Then, things like the Chicago bag tax don't generate enough revenue (because whoops, the whole "caring about the environment" thing actually kind of worked) and then they have to find new ways to tax us (the soda tax is on hold for legal reasons).

To add insult to injury, it's corruption. I think most people don't have a problem paying taxes when they get real results. Our roads are terrible, our schools are terrible, the pensions are severely underfunded, violence is terrible, public transit is functional but terrible by comparison to other cities (looking at you with envy, Europe...). We're one of the last states to recover from the recession in terms of job growth, taxpayers are moving out of state leaving the burden to others, heck even just read that our Black unemployment is 2nd worst only to Michigan.

The only reason I stay is because my job is here, my husband's job is here, and our families are still here (until my parents move to Wisconsin as is the plan for the next year).

InLoveInQueens · July 2017

thisismynickname said:

Late to this thread. It's not about just the income tax rate. It's about the overall tax burden. Income tax + property tax + 7000 units of government + sales tax + that + etc.

This fucking nanny state won't even do smart things like legalize fireworks ($$ for WI and IN), legalize marijuana (I hear CO and WA are doing great with that), build more casinos, that kind of thing. They have to "protect" us from ourselves. Then, things like the Chicago bag tax don't generate enough revenue (because whoops, the whole "caring about the environment" thing actually kind of worked) and then they have to find new ways to tax us (the soda tax is on hold for legal reasons).

To add insult to injury, it's corruption. I think most people don't have a problem paying taxes when they get real results. Our roads are terrible, our schools are terrible, the pensions are severely underfunded, violence is terrible, public transit is functional but terrible by comparison to other cities (looking at you with envy, Europe...). We're one of the last states to recover from the recession in terms of job growth, taxpayers are moving out of state leaving the burden to others, heck even just read that our Black unemployment is 2nd worst only to Michigan.

The only reason I stay is because my job is here, my husband's job is here, and our families are still here (until my parents move to Wisconsin as is the plan for the next year).

I told my husband that NY could solve so many problems at once by legalizing marijuana. They could fund the MTA, something they have been neglecting terribly (see: all the recent derailments at Penn, every other week there's a derailment), and have money left over. There's hundreds of millions of dollars the states are keeping from themselves, plus the savings from not having to prosecute people with a couple of grams in their backpacks or a joint on their porch.

NY will be one of the last states to go for legalization, it'll probably be federally legal and that's the way NY will go "green", but a girl can dream.

Ro041 · July 2017

InLoveInQueens said:

thisismynickname said:

Late to this thread. It's not about just the income tax rate. It's about the overall tax burden. Income tax + property tax + 7000 units of government + sales tax + that + etc.

This fucking nanny state won't even do smart things like legalize fireworks ($$ for WI and IN), legalize marijuana (I hear CO and WA are doing great with that), build more casinos, that kind of thing. They have to "protect" us from ourselves. Then, things like the Chicago bag tax don't generate enough revenue (because whoops, the whole "caring about the environment" thing actually kind of worked) and then they have to find new ways to tax us (the soda tax is on hold for legal reasons).

To add insult to injury, it's corruption. I think most people don't have a problem paying taxes when they get real results. Our roads are terrible, our schools are terrible, the pensions are severely underfunded, violence is terrible, public transit is functional but terrible by comparison to other cities (looking at you with envy, Europe...). We're one of the last states to recover from the recession in terms of job growth, taxpayers are moving out of state leaving the burden to others, heck even just read that our Black unemployment is 2nd worst only to Michigan.

The only reason I stay is because my job is here, my husband's job is here, and our families are still here (until my parents move to Wisconsin as is the plan for the next year).

I told my husband that NY could solve so many problems at once by legalizing marijuana. They could fund the MTA, something they have been neglecting terribly (see: all the recent derailments at Penn, every other week there's a derailment), and have money left over. There's hundreds of millions of dollars the states are keeping from themselves, plus the savings from not having to prosecute people with a couple of grams in their backpacks or a joint on their porch.

NY will be one of the last states to go for legalization, it'll probably be federally legal and that's the way NY will go "green", but a girl can dream.

HA! Come to the Midwest and/or South. Do you think OK, MO, KS, KY, TN, AL, TX etc are going to legalize before NY?

DrillSergeantCat · July 2017

Ro041 said:

InLoveInQueens said:

thisismynickname said:

Late to this thread. It's not about just the income tax rate. It's about the overall tax burden. Income tax + property tax + 7000 units of government + sales tax + that + etc.

This fucking nanny state won't even do smart things like legalize fireworks ($$ for WI and IN), legalize marijuana (I hear CO and WA are doing great with that), build more casinos, that kind of thing. They have to "protect" us from ourselves. Then, things like the Chicago bag tax don't generate enough revenue (because whoops, the whole "caring about the environment" thing actually kind of worked) and then they have to find new ways to tax us (the soda tax is on hold for legal reasons).

To add insult to injury, it's corruption. I think most people don't have a problem paying taxes when they get real results. Our roads are terrible, our schools are terrible, the pensions are severely underfunded, violence is terrible, public transit is functional but terrible by comparison to other cities (looking at you with envy, Europe...). We're one of the last states to recover from the recession in terms of job growth, taxpayers are moving out of state leaving the burden to others, heck even just read that our Black unemployment is 2nd worst only to Michigan.

The only reason I stay is because my job is here, my husband's job is here, and our families are still here (until my parents move to Wisconsin as is the plan for the next year).

I told my husband that NY could solve so many problems at once by legalizing marijuana. They could fund the MTA, something they have been neglecting terribly (see: all the recent derailments at Penn, every other week there's a derailment), and have money left over. There's hundreds of millions of dollars the states are keeping from themselves, plus the savings from not having to prosecute people with a couple of grams in their backpacks or a joint on their porch.

NY will be one of the last states to go for legalization, it'll probably be federally legal and that's the way NY will go "green", but a girl can dream.

HA! Come to the Midwest and/or South. Do you think OK, MO, KS, KY, TN, AL, TX etc are going to legalize before NY?

We've been trying to green the vote for years in OK. Last year we voted to reduce drug crimes to a misdemeanor and to transfer the fines earned for those misdemeanor crimes to a fund for drug rehabilitation. Our legislators decided we didn't really know what we were voting for and are not allowing it to happen.

InLoveInQueens · July 2017

Ro041 said:

InLoveInQueens said:

thisismynickname said:

Late to this thread. It's not about just the income tax rate. It's about the overall tax burden. Income tax + property tax + 7000 units of government + sales tax + that + etc.

This fucking nanny state won't even do smart things like legalize fireworks ($$ for WI and IN), legalize marijuana (I hear CO and WA are doing great with that), build more casinos, that kind of thing. They have to "protect" us from ourselves. Then, things like the Chicago bag tax don't generate enough revenue (because whoops, the whole "caring about the environment" thing actually kind of worked) and then they have to find new ways to tax us (the soda tax is on hold for legal reasons).

To add insult to injury, it's corruption. I think most people don't have a problem paying taxes when they get real results. Our roads are terrible, our schools are terrible, the pensions are severely underfunded, violence is terrible, public transit is functional but terrible by comparison to other cities (looking at you with envy, Europe...). We're one of the last states to recover from the recession in terms of job growth, taxpayers are moving out of state leaving the burden to others, heck even just read that our Black unemployment is 2nd worst only to Michigan.

The only reason I stay is because my job is here, my husband's job is here, and our families are still here (until my parents move to Wisconsin as is the plan for the next year).

I told my husband that NY could solve so many problems at once by legalizing marijuana. They could fund the MTA, something they have been neglecting terribly (see: all the recent derailments at Penn, every other week there's a derailment), and have money left over. There's hundreds of millions of dollars the states are keeping from themselves, plus the savings from not having to prosecute people with a couple of grams in their backpacks or a joint on their porch.

NY will be one of the last states to go for legalization, it'll probably be federally legal and that's the way NY will go "green", but a girl can dream.

HA! Come to the Midwest and/or South. Do you think OK, MO, KS, KY, TN, AL, TX etc are going to legalize before NY?

For once NY and the midwest/South are probably on the same track, we're run by politicians in the pharmaceutical companies pockets, plus, once you get more north than Yonkers you're pretty much in red state territory.

I just think we'll be among the left behind states who are "forced" to go legal by the pressure once it's federally legal, we're not doing it ourselves, not anytime soon at least (I say this while crossing my fingers and whispering "please be wrong").

NY also doesn't allow for referendum votes, so it's not a popular vote thing, it's a politician vote thing

southernbelle0915 · July 2017

Ro041 said:

InLoveInQueens said:

thisismynickname said:

Late to this thread. It's not about just the income tax rate. It's about the overall tax burden. Income tax + property tax + 7000 units of government + sales tax + that + etc.

This fucking nanny state won't even do smart things like legalize fireworks ($$ for WI and IN), legalize marijuana (I hear CO and WA are doing great with that), build more casinos, that kind of thing. They have to "protect" us from ourselves. Then, things like the Chicago bag tax don't generate enough revenue (because whoops, the whole "caring about the environment" thing actually kind of worked) and then they have to find new ways to tax us (the soda tax is on hold for legal reasons).

To add insult to injury, it's corruption. I think most people don't have a problem paying taxes when they get real results. Our roads are terrible, our schools are terrible, the pensions are severely underfunded, violence is terrible, public transit is functional but terrible by comparison to other cities (looking at you with envy, Europe...). We're one of the last states to recover from the recession in terms of job growth, taxpayers are moving out of state leaving the burden to others, heck even just read that our Black unemployment is 2nd worst only to Michigan.

The only reason I stay is because my job is here, my husband's job is here, and our families are still here (until my parents move to Wisconsin as is the plan for the next year).

I told my husband that NY could solve so many problems at once by legalizing marijuana. They could fund the MTA, something they have been neglecting terribly (see: all the recent derailments at Penn, every other week there's a derailment), and have money left over. There's hundreds of millions of dollars the states are keeping from themselves, plus the savings from not having to prosecute people with a couple of grams in their backpacks or a joint on their porch.

NY will be one of the last states to go for legalization, it'll probably be federally legal and that's the way NY will go "green", but a girl can dream.

HA! Come to the Midwest and/or South. Do you think OK, MO, KS, KY, TN, AL, TX etc are going to legalize before NY?

You know these states would try to pad a legalization bill with something ridiculous like longer wait times before getting an abortion or allowing (christian only) prayer in schools.

On topic though, I don't mind paying more income tax if it means good roads, good schools, good public services. Obviously you want to know what you're getting for your money...like was the increase way overdue and everything is falling apart? Are they adding services? Etc.

And I'd rather see an income tax increase than sales tax or some other tax that affects low earners way more than it does high earners.

short+sassy · July 2017

Ro041 said:

InLoveInQueens said:

thisismynickname said:

Late to this thread. It's not about just the income tax rate. It's about the overall tax burden. Income tax + property tax + 7000 units of government + sales tax + that + etc.

This fucking nanny state won't even do smart things like legalize fireworks ($$ for WI and IN), legalize marijuana (I hear CO and WA are doing great with that), build more casinos, that kind of thing. They have to "protect" us from ourselves. Then, things like the Chicago bag tax don't generate enough revenue (because whoops, the whole "caring about the environment" thing actually kind of worked) and then they have to find new ways to tax us (the soda tax is on hold for legal reasons).

To add insult to injury, it's corruption. I think most people don't have a problem paying taxes when they get real results. Our roads are terrible, our schools are terrible, the pensions are severely underfunded, violence is terrible, public transit is functional but terrible by comparison to other cities (looking at you with envy, Europe...). We're one of the last states to recover from the recession in terms of job growth, taxpayers are moving out of state leaving the burden to others, heck even just read that our Black unemployment is 2nd worst only to Michigan.

The only reason I stay is because my job is here, my husband's job is here, and our families are still here (until my parents move to Wisconsin as is the plan for the next year).

I told my husband that NY could solve so many problems at once by legalizing marijuana. They could fund the MTA, something they have been neglecting terribly (see: all the recent derailments at Penn, every other week there's a derailment), and have money left over. There's hundreds of millions of dollars the states are keeping from themselves, plus the savings from not having to prosecute people with a couple of grams in their backpacks or a joint on their porch.

NY will be one of the last states to go for legalization, it'll probably be federally legal and that's the way NY will go "green", but a girl can dream.

HA! Come to the Midwest and/or South. Do you think OK, MO, KS, KY, TN, AL, TX etc are going to legalize before NY?

You forgot Louisiana, lol (teasing). The federal government could legalize marijuana and we would still keep it illegal here. Because we are a very POOR state, dangnabit, and we want to KEEP it that way!

You Yankees with all your fancy-schmancy stuff like literacy, equal rights, and functional roads. We will have none of it! None of it, I tell you.

SCOTUS? We laugh at you. Same sex marriage? (insert multiple loopholes tried). Abortion? (insert multiple loopholes tried).

And we like our politicians the way we like our rice...dirty.

thisismynickname2 · July 2017

What's interesting is comparing the "fiscally sound" states and what life is like there to the non-fiscally sound states and what life is like there instead.
https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings

Ultimately whenever one hears that the red states are generally more fiscally sound than blue, the blue state people say, "but they take in more federal dollars than other states," and many other reasons pertaining to the people who live in blue states.

To me, security is important. I hate watching the IL government struggle and wonder how much my purchasing power is going to decrease every year via taxes to cover someone else's retirement besides mine, because the corrupt politicians stole from the pension funds. No one who works in social services should worry about being furloughed or laid off (nor should people who rely on them worry about not having them). No private company that fulfills a contract for the state should wait over a year to get paid. I had a coworker who used to work in the public university system, and he had a major medical expense that took 16 months for the state to reimburse him through the healthcare plan.

A state has to live within its means too. A state can only afford what its population can bear to pay. IL is long past its tipping point where the people who can afford to move out, have/are moving out.

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