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Just "forget" to buy the 'merch'.

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edited September 2020 in Wedding Woes

Dear Prudence,

Four years ago, I applied to several great out-of-state colleges and was accepted at all of them. I was offered scholarships but would have had to take out loans to cover the rest, and my parents weren’t willing to cosign with me (I graduated high school at 16). So I went to the local state school for free. I understand my parents had the right to decide not to take out loans, and I don’t have hard feelings about it. But I had a lousy time at college. It wasn’t a good fit, and I felt like a total outcast. I’d hoped to be around creative, curious people, but most of my fellow students were stoners and/or jocks. I know that sounds judgmental and is probably an oversimplification, but I just didn’t have much in common with the rest of the student body. I tried to make the best of it but was always just the weird girl on campus. I didn’t get close to anyone and spent most of my time working while my actual friends went to big-name colleges and seemingly had the time of their lives. I didn’t even get a solid education out of it. Most of my professors were overworked adjuncts who never had time to give feedback beyond “Good job.”

I’m graduating in December and my parents and grandparents all want college “merch” to celebrate. I hated my college experience and feel embarrassed I even went there. I just want to move on, but it’s going to be hard if they have alumni stickers and t-shirts. Is there a way to tell them I don’t want to celebrate the worst four years of my life? Or do I just wait until grad school and buy them sweatshirts then?

—Unhappy Alumna

Re: Just "forget" to buy the 'merch'.

  • Just ignore this. They can buy their own stuff if they want it. 
  • Don't buy the merch, but if they buy some - try not to think about it.  It's not like they are getting tattoos that say "LW Graduated from X College" on their foreheads!  People wear college shirts and sweatshirts all the time.  If they buy anything for LW, they don't have to wear it.
  • Don’t buy the shirts but ultimately the decision to go to they college was yours, and yours alone. You could have taken out loans but chose not to. You could have reapplied to transfer but chose not to. You could have made an effort to find friends and mentors but chose not to. 

    Time to own your choices LW, about the school and the shirts. 
  • mrsconn23 said:
    This LW sounds like a brat. They got a free education.  Their family wants to celebrate the completion of LW's college education.  They went to a state school and they couldn't find one or two people they had something in common with enough to be friendly?  They threw a 4 year fit because their parents were looking out for their (their own AND LW's) financial future by not taking out unnecessary loans?!  

    Don't buy the fucking t-shirts, LW.   But your extreme privilege is showing and it's not a good look.  
    Yeah I think it’s also gotta be hard being 16 at a school you didn’t want to go to. There is a maturity gap I think. LW might have had an easier time at Dream School or might have been awkward and immature there too. 
    Agreed, and I hope over time that LW has some reflection on their college experience.  
  • I have mixed feelings.   LW probably graduated two years younger than most and had a socially awkward experience.     If she didn't fit in it's hard.   I felt that way about HS.   If after graduating someone said, "Hey I want to get some stuff in your HS colors!" I'd tell them to go ahead but I wasn't a jock and the activities I was involved in were theater/music related so if the interested was in athletics I'd have a head tilt and wonder why I was being hit up for college stuff by people allegedly close to me when what they wanted was not in my interest group.   And if these are people suddenly coming out of the woodwork asking a new college grad for gifts related to the college I wonder why they're asking someone who doesn't have a job yet and/or is just starting one to spend what little $ she has on THEM.   

    Maybe it's me but when the person graduates aren't you supposed to give THEM items?  

    That said, I'd go for Christmas ornaments (if they celebrate) or trinkets for the December holidays that are school themed.   Cross it off your list, call them holiday gifts and you kill two birds with one stone.     Like it or not, that IS where the diploma is from even if you didn't look back on the experience and think they were "The best years of your life". 
  • I also think it's really bizarre her relatives want her to buy them swag from her college.  Plus, don't people more often get stuff like that when their child starts college?  So they can proudly wear their "LSU Dad" shirt while their child is going there.

    Those two things might appear minor, but they are so off from the norm that I'm throwing down the "fake letter" flag, lol.

    Maybe the LW is very intelligent academically but they are very young, started college really young, and are immature.  The common factor for everything they mentioned is "them".  Being 16 when everyone else is 18 is going to make it harder to fit in, no matter where they went.  If they're socially awkward...and I suspect they are...more supposedly "serious and mature" classmates wouldn't help that either.  Speaking of which, I think their expectations were way off and they were going to college with a bad attitude.  I don't think there is much, if any difference, between college students at state schools or private colleges.  I'm sure even Ivy League students do keg stands on the weekends, lol.

    Plus, all of this was 100% their choice.  And, while I'm very biased because I made the same choices lol, I think it was a good one.  So many people are weighed down by student loans.  And especially since they want to go to grad school, at least now they won't have undergrad loans also.

    My college "dream" was to go to a big university in a different part of the country.  Live in a dorm.  Then a sorority house.  Cheer on the football team.  Just like in the movies, lol.  But all of that would have involved taking out student loans.  So I lived at home while I went to a community college then transferred to a state school with no sports program.  Never lived in a dorm.  Did join a sorority, but they didn't have a house so I lived in an apartment with roommates.  I sometimes wonder what would have been.  But I graduated without ever having to take out a loan and I think that was worth the sacrifices.
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  • There's a lot of maturity issues here, and just from my own experiences, gifted kid "snobbery" and expectations.  Someone can be a stoner and still be smarter than LW; LW didn't sound like they sought out new experiences.  I had an awesome time in college because I did theatre, I made friends, I volunteered to for student council, I served on the graduate student council...you have to put yourself out there, they don't magically come to you.

    And they're totally mad at their parents.  Own it, get therapy, and get over it.
  • VarunaTT said:
    There's a lot of maturity issues here, and just from my own experiences, gifted kid "snobbery" and expectations.  Someone can be a stoner and still be smarter than LW; LW didn't sound like they sought out new experiences.  I had an awesome time in college because I did theatre, I made friends, I volunteered to for student council, I served on the graduate student council...you have to put yourself out there, they don't magically come to you.

    And they're totally mad at their parents.  Own it, get therapy, and get over it.
    All of that too.

    It's why I have mixed feelings about it.   Suddenly grandma is asking for college stuff? 

    I think LW needs some help here to navigate new adulthood.   
  • It's a state school, it's really not that weird for relatives who live in state to want swag. I'm also surprised they didn't ask at the beginning, but whatever. There's a rivalry joke around here that I think applies to a lot of different rivalries around the country - What do Georgia Tech and Georgia fans have in common? None of them went to Georgia. Aunt Ida wearing a Georgia tshirt doesn't really have anything to do with LW's education, but it's fine for LW to tell Ida that Target has a good selection of tshirts. 
  • It's a state school, it's really not that weird for relatives who live in state to want swag. I'm also surprised they didn't ask at the beginning, but whatever. There's a rivalry joke around here that I think applies to a lot of different rivalries around the country - What do Georgia Tech and Georgia fans have in common? None of them went to Georgia. Aunt Ida wearing a Georgia tshirt doesn't really have anything to do with LW's education, but it's fine for LW to tell Ida that Target has a good selection of tshirts. 
    The state rivalry here is IU and Purdue. 
  • Jen4948Jen4948 member
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    Well, I think it's weird that her relatives want her to spend money on school-themed gifts for them.

    But I'm not quite prepared to call her a "brat" or "immature" because she didn't have a happy experience in school. I wouldn't be thrilled with a request that I spend my money on school swag for a school I hated. And if the education wasn't that high quality either, I don't think she's a "brat" or "immature" for saying so.

    But I agree that she could have transferred to another school or tried to make friends.
  • Also, one thing that can suck (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that student loans generally work that the parents need to co-sign in order for the student to get them even if the student will be responsible.   And it's a legal PITA to emancipate yourself from your parents even if they won't help w/ college so you can't say, "I go spend the weeks between Christmas and NY at my parents' home but they're not helping me w/ college" because the way the federal government looks at your finances they look to your parents.  In a way I'm somewhat sympathetic to the LW in that way because it's how the system is constructed and there's not a great way for them to step outside that model.  I personally witnessed the frustration with an ex BF and a friend who dealt with it and it wasn't that easy to just find a way to get additional loans or transfer and in our state now, it's $20K for the state school to live there.   

    And yeah, plenty of people are going to keggers but at 16 I can sympathize that you are REALLY young to start drinking when your peers are starting off at likely 2 - 4 years older than you.   It makes for a harder time when at that age, you're just barely at the age of legal sexual consent.   It's a period of a lot of personal growth for people. 
  • banana468 said:
    Also, one thing that can suck (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that student loans generally work that the parents need to co-sign in order for the student to get them even if the student will be responsible.   And it's a legal PITA to emancipate yourself from your parents even if they won't help w/ college so you can't say, "I go spend the weeks between Christmas and NY at my parents' home but they're not helping me w/ college" because the way the federal government looks at your finances they look to your parents.  In a way I'm somewhat sympathetic to the LW in that way because it's how the system is constructed and there's not a great way for them to step outside that model.  I personally witnessed the frustration with an ex BF and a friend who dealt with it and it wasn't that easy to just find a way to get additional loans or transfer and in our state now, it's $20K for the state school to live there.   

    And yeah, plenty of people are going to keggers but at 16 I can sympathize that you are REALLY young to start drinking when your peers are starting off at likely 2 - 4 years older than you.   It makes for a harder time when at that age, you're just barely at the age of legal sexual consent.   It's a period of a lot of personal growth for people. 
    Ah!  I missed that the parents weren't willing to cosign.

    I agree.  That has always seemed like such a crappy system with student loans.  I understand loan companies don't want to loan huge sums of money to a young person with no or almost no credit history.  Much less to someone who isn't old enough to sign a contract with legal weight.  But what about people who don't have parents they can rely on.  Or have great parent(s), but great parent(s) that have lousy credit.  I think a lot of the loans are government backed at least but, granted, I don't know much about student loans.
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  • Simple answer:  Wait until grad school and buy them sweatshirts then...

    FWIW yes, maturity issues, but also challenge the brain issues of attending classes "under" her intelligence level.  When she has student loans from grad school to pay off there will be a maturity day about 8-10 years after graduating of "OMGosh I can't imagine how horrible of a financial position I'd be in if I had to pay for undergrad loans on top of this!"...  Sixteen and graduated is a different place in life than 26 and returning to school because their degree in psychology or underwater basket weaving was worthless in the real world...
  • VarunaTTVarunaTT member
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    I'll admit to some bias.  At the same time, the majority of the letter is just slamming the state school.  I don't have a ton on knowledge, so correct me if I'm wrong, but my "state" schools had student bodies of 20-30K people on them, with significant living on campus populations.  LW really couldn't find any curious, interesting people?  LW was really just the weird girl on campus?  B/c honestly, it's way harder in adulthood to find interesting people.  It's one of the things I miss most about college in general, is that I had access to literally thousands of different people, from different walks of life, and differing/similar interests.  So, I still think this is a gifted/maturity issue.

    I don't think the parents should've had to sign if they didn't want to.  LW didn't tell us why they didn't.  And LW might've been able to get student loans on their own if they had been 18.  For all we know the parents said no b/c they're unable to cover payments if LW defaulted, which is a smart decision for their lives moving forward.  LW can't sign the contract as a minor.

    Yes, I think our higher education system/payment for it is broke.  The majority of this letter though is definitely a "woe is me."  

    I might also be a little harder on LW b/c I had a friend, who was astoundingly smarter than me.  His roommate was not on our intelligence level.  I made a crack about the roommate once.  My friend looked me straight on and said, "My roommate knows more about the national parks and MO wilderness than anyone I've ever met in my life.  Everyone is smarter than you in something, stop being so judgey."  It's just stuck with me.  I get whiffs of my own snobbery coming from LW.

    ETA:  I also had a friend in high school who could've graduated early at 14? I think.  We all adored her and kind of pressured her to stay with us.  I said, "You don't want to be the only freshman on a college campus who can't drive."  She was 16 when we graduated and we've stayed in touch.  She had a ball at college and blossomed into an amazing person.  I remember out of state, but it wasn't Ivy League, b/c I remember everyone being surprised she wasn't doing Harvard or the like.
  • @VarunaTT Being from NY, it's always crazy to me how big state schools are in other parts of the country. We don't have one or two big state schools here, it's a network of small colleges with most having well under 10,000 total on campus (there are a couple that are quite large). H went to a state school that only had 5,000 undergrads total, while I went to a large private college that had 15,000 undergrads. 

    I do feel sympathetic to a degree for the LW. However, she needs to look at it from the perspective that, since she has no debt from undergrad, she's in a much better place to choose any grad school that she likes. Grad school was a non-starter for me after I graduated because my parents didn't reign me in and cosigned for tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt that I'm still paying off at 33. 
  • There's definitely a lot that the LW needs to own here.   They are growing up and need to know that plenty of what you have in life also doesn't need to be perfect or feel like it was the perfect fit. 

    My mixed feelings relate to me feeling SO awkard and shy at 16 and it took years to feel like I could open up.   I'd feel very nervous about dipping a toe out at that age and even did at bit when  I was 18.    

    LW is going to have to say, "I'm glad I have my degree but I'm not going to be cheering for them on the sidelines."     
  • @VarunaTT Being from NY, it's always crazy to me how big state schools are in other parts of the country. We don't have one or two big state schools here, it's a network of small colleges with most having well under 10,000 total on campus (there are a couple that are quite large). H went to a state school that only had 5,000 undergrads total, while I went to a large private college that had 15,000 undergrads. 

    I do feel sympathetic to a degree for the LW. However, she needs to look at it from the perspective that, since she has no debt from undergrad, she's in a much better place to choose any grad school that she likes. Grad school was a non-starter for me after I graduated because my parents didn't reign me in and cosigned for tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt that I'm still paying off at 33. 
    UB now has over 30,000 undergrads! It’s crazy how much the student body has grown. 

    (I know not the point but thought I’d share). 
  • edited September 2020
    VarunaTT said:
    I'll admit to some bias.  At the same time, the majority of the letter is just slamming the state school.  I don't have a ton on knowledge, so correct me if I'm wrong, but my "state" schools had student bodies of 20-30K people on them, with significant living on campus populations.  LW really couldn't find any curious, interesting people?  LW was really just the weird girl on campus?  B/c honestly, it's way harder in adulthood to find interesting people.  It's one of the things I miss most about college in general, is that I had access to literally thousands of different people, from different walks of life, and differing/similar interests.  So, I still think this is a gifted/maturity issue.
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    This is the part that frustrated me, too. LW really couldn’t find anyone they were interested in hanging out with? At a huge state school? I was a grad student at a state flagship university and there was everything from language clubs, to math clubs, to quidditch competitions, fencing, and fraternity/sorority. 

    Also as far as mentors. Yes, many classes will be taught by overworked, underpaid adjuncts or grad students. Especially large intro classes.  But faculty members still teach upper level seminars, hire undergrads as RAs or to work in labs, or to co-author on projects. Sure students have to work to find those opportunities but they exist and can have huge payoffs. 

    Also, as someone who went to a large private school for undergrad, an ivy for my masters, and a large public flagship for my doctorate; students are students no matter where you are. There are bright, curious, driven students at public universities and there are entitled, lazy students at ivies. And vice versa. If you’re determined to only see on population on a campus that’s what you’re going to see, but it’s not representative of the total student body. 
  • VarunaTT said:
    I'll admit to some bias.  At the same time, the majority of the letter is just slamming the state school.  I don't have a ton on knowledge, so correct me if I'm wrong, but my "state" schools had student bodies of 20-30K people on them, with significant living on campus populations.  LW really couldn't find any curious, interesting people?  LW was really just the weird girl on campus?  B/c honestly, it's way harder in adulthood to find interesting people.  It's one of the things I miss most about college in general, is that I had access to literally thousands of different people, from different walks of life, and differing/similar interests.  So, I still think this is a gifted/maturity issue.
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    This is the part that frustrated me, too. LW really couldn’t find anyone they were interested in hanging out with? At a huge state school? I was a grad student at a state flagship university and there was everything from language clubs, to math clubs, to quidditch competitions, fencing, and fraternity/sorority. 

    Also as far as mentors. Yes, many classes will be taught by overworked, underpaid adjuncts or grad students. Especially large intro classes.  But faculty members still teach upper level seminars, hire undergrads as RAs or to work in labs, or to co-author on projects. Sure students have to work to find those opportunities but they exist and can have huge payoffs. 

    Also, as someone who went to a large private school for undergrad, an ivy for my masters, and a large public flagship for my doctorate; students are students no matter where you are. There are bright, curious, driven students at public universities and there are entitled, lazy students at ivies. And vice versa. If you’re determined to only see on population on a campus that’s what you’re going to see, but it’s not representative of the total student body. 
    Also true.   I went to UConn and many classes were taught by TAs and you had to seek the professors for other credits/classes. 

    A lot of this tells me how the LW is striking me as someone who is able to digest material and score well on tests but definitely needs the real world experience of advocating for herself and finding friends.    College is not a place of hand holding. 
  • I went to a small private school and we still had a mix of everything she was looking for (curious, interesting people) and what she found (jocks, stoners, whatever). You're going to find each type irrespective of the type of school you attend so she's blaming the school and her parents so she doesn't have to blame herself. 
  • Yeah, sounds like she was more interested in playing out her stereotype of the state school attendee than actually finding friends.
  • @charlotte989875 I knew UB was huge but had no idea it was over 30k until I looked it up earlier! 
  • LW is upset that they spent their actual time working?  I worked like crazy at school, and in my spare time worked at a job to pay for school.  I enjoyed myself.  And I went to a "party" school!  I actively avoided the college experience that LW apparently feels she missed out on, and truth be told, I don't think she actually missed out.  She is just assuming that she did.  I guess glass half empty sort of look on life - the fact that they didn't seem to get a lot out of their classes is the down side.  I loved the majority of my classes and learned so much.  

    Also, I'm a rabbit loving work-a-holic medievalist and still found people like me at school.  They are there, you just have to look instead of expecting them to find you.  And then I married one of them ...

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