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  • This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
  • This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
    Ah yeh sound machine I regret not getting earlier.
    Also if you want, talk to pedi about sleep training. They often have tips. My dr was really good. BK did 9hrs and once she showed she could sleep long timeframes, our dr suggested a few ways to help encourage her to sleep even longer. It was a gentle CIO - not easy, but the method she suggested made it easier because we knew time frame of when to go in.
    Is tot still sleeping in your room? If so, could you potentially swap him to his own room? Might also help. BK was much better with her own space.
  • Also team sound machine! I just have an inexpensive one from Amazon but it's been used for almost 4 years now and is nice to block out other house noise. 
  • Also, for yourself if you have a Google / Nest home, you can get them to play white noise.  They will for 12 hours with limited interruption. 


  • kvruns said:
    Also team sound machine! I just have an inexpensive one from Amazon but it's been used for almost 4 years now and is nice to block out other house noise. 
    Tbh I got a Hatch because Bed Bath & Beyond had a coupon and the Hatch return policies are amazing lol I didn't get the fancy one. Just basic. I argue it's already paid for itself because when BK sleeps at my mum's, it's a one level. My mum is an early riser, so it helps keep BK on a decent sleep schedule.
    Also gives her some familiarity at IL's place since she just recently started sleeping in a separate room when sleeping there.
  • banana468 said:
    This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
    I STILL need a sound machine to sleep now that we implemented them with the kids.

    I get that you can feel like you're at the end of your rope and also like you're making bad habits if your kid isn't sleeping.  But if your kid can't say, "I'm making bad habits" then as parents you aren't.    Baby is a person but baby person is NOT the same kind of person as an adult direct report.  And the concept of "I am tired and want baby to sleep better" does not equal the same thing as a person who is ready for any kind of training.  

    I'm sorry - parenting a baby is not fun.  
    Thank you so much for this! I’m actually a lot less frustrated. Baby M is doing a lot of new stuff right now (rolling over in both directions, eating oatmeal, scooting around) so I’m less worried about his sleep even though I’m exhausted. 

    I’m trying to figure out how to explain this to H. 
  • banana468 said:
    This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
    I STILL need a sound machine to sleep now that we implemented them with the kids.

    I get that you can feel like you're at the end of your rope and also like you're making bad habits if your kid isn't sleeping.  But if your kid can't say, "I'm making bad habits" then as parents you aren't.    Baby is a person but baby person is NOT the same kind of person as an adult direct report.  And the concept of "I am tired and want baby to sleep better" does not equal the same thing as a person who is ready for any kind of training.  

    I'm sorry - parenting a baby is not fun.  
    Thank you so much for this! I’m actually a lot less frustrated. Baby M is doing a lot of new stuff right now (rolling over in both directions, eating oatmeal, scooting around) so I’m less worried about his sleep even though I’m exhausted. 

    I’m trying to figure out how to explain this to H. 
    Can you get him to read up on baby development?  

    He may need to read it from a source.  Also, your kid's going to do things on his pace.   
  • banana468 said:
    This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
    I STILL need a sound machine to sleep now that we implemented them with the kids.

    I get that you can feel like you're at the end of your rope and also like you're making bad habits if your kid isn't sleeping.  But if your kid can't say, "I'm making bad habits" then as parents you aren't.    Baby is a person but baby person is NOT the same kind of person as an adult direct report.  And the concept of "I am tired and want baby to sleep better" does not equal the same thing as a person who is ready for any kind of training.  

    I'm sorry - parenting a baby is not fun.  
    Thank you so much for this! I’m actually a lot less frustrated. Baby M is doing a lot of new stuff right now (rolling over in both directions, eating oatmeal, scooting around) so I’m less worried about his sleep even though I’m exhausted. 

    I’m trying to figure out how to explain this to H. 
    Idk if Baby M is same, but BK had terrible sleep when going through developmental changes! The more changes, the worst it was and I honestly never noticed what was happening until her sleep changed. Between in a month {all between 6m and 7m old} she went from zero mobility except rolling to sitting solo, crawling, pulling up, cruising, 2 teeth and I believe something else but I forget now.

    Even as she got older, she would sleep like hell and then suddenly something new - explosion of words, fine motor skills, etc.
  • banana468 said:
    This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
    I STILL need a sound machine to sleep now that we implemented them with the kids.

    I get that you can feel like you're at the end of your rope and also like you're making bad habits if your kid isn't sleeping.  But if your kid can't say, "I'm making bad habits" then as parents you aren't.    Baby is a person but baby person is NOT the same kind of person as an adult direct report.  And the concept of "I am tired and want baby to sleep better" does not equal the same thing as a person who is ready for any kind of training.  

    I'm sorry - parenting a baby is not fun.  
    Thank you so much for this! I’m actually a lot less frustrated. Baby M is doing a lot of new stuff right now (rolling over in both directions, eating oatmeal, scooting around) so I’m less worried about his sleep even though I’m exhausted. 

    I’m trying to figure out how to explain this to H. 
    Can H go to the baby's 6 month appointment?  Hear first hand from the doctor how sleeping at night with a 6 month old can be?  Maybe he needs to hear it from the doctor, especially with him wanting to sleep train.

    Also, with baby starting on oatmeal, perhaps you can give some at DS final evening feeding.  It might help him have a longer sleeping stretch before waking.

    I think a few weeks back, you mention that you might try to have H give a later feeding when he goes to bed since he stays up later.  Did you guys try that?  
  • kvruns said:
    oh OK so this house is more of a flip/investment, she gets her $$ to spend now (vs it going to her estate) and you presumably get a better deal now than you would once it went to her estate. 

    I hope she is able to protect the $$ in the event she goes to a nursing home and needs Medicaid to help pay for it. 
    Your first paragraph is totally correct.

    It's so funny you said that in the second paragraph!  I made a similar comment to my H last night.

    While I wish I could purchase the house outright, the deal will only work if she is okay with doing seller-financing.  The thought occurred to me that, if God forbid she ends up in a nursing home, the fact that half the money is going to be paid out to her in a monthly installment loan might actually be to her advantage.  It won't be money just sitting in an account that Medicaid could force her to go through before they help.
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  • banana468 said:
    This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
    I STILL need a sound machine to sleep now that we implemented them with the kids.

    I get that you can feel like you're at the end of your rope and also like you're making bad habits if your kid isn't sleeping.  But if your kid can't say, "I'm making bad habits" then as parents you aren't.    Baby is a person but baby person is NOT the same kind of person as an adult direct report.  And the concept of "I am tired and want baby to sleep better" does not equal the same thing as a person who is ready for any kind of training.  

    I'm sorry - parenting a baby is not fun.  
    Thank you so much for this! I’m actually a lot less frustrated. Baby M is doing a lot of new stuff right now (rolling over in both directions, eating oatmeal, scooting around) so I’m less worried about his sleep even though I’m exhausted. 

    I’m trying to figure out how to explain this to H. 
    Can H go to the baby's 6 month appointment?  Hear first hand from the doctor how sleeping at night with a 6 month old can be?  Maybe he needs to hear it from the doctor, especially with him wanting to sleep train.

    Also, with baby starting on oatmeal, perhaps you can give some at DS final evening feeding.  It might help him have a longer sleeping stretch before waking.

    I think a few weeks back, you mention that you might try to have H give a later feeding when he goes to bed since he stays up later.  Did you guys try that?  
    These are all really great suggestions, especially having H go to the appointment. 

    We’re going to try the oatmeal tonight in the evening to see if that helps fill him up before bed. Thank you!!

    H is giving him a later bottle of pumped milk but lately he hasn’t wanted it but wakes up like an hour after we put him to bed wanting to eat


  • kvruns said:
    oh OK so this house is more of a flip/investment, she gets her $$ to spend now (vs it going to her estate) and you presumably get a better deal now than you would once it went to her estate. 

    I hope she is able to protect the $$ in the event she goes to a nursing home and needs Medicaid to help pay for it. 
    Your first paragraph is totally correct.

    It's so funny you said that in the second paragraph!  I made a similar comment to my H last night.

    While I wish I could purchase the house outright, the deal will only work if she is okay with doing seller-financing.  The thought occurred to me that, if God forbid she ends up in a nursing home, the fact that half the money is going to be paid out to her in a monthly installment loan might actually be to her advantage.  It won't be money just sitting in an account that Medicaid could force her to go through before they help.
    that makes me nervous for your neighbor. I am not an expert on Medicaid at all but I would imagine if she ends up in a nursing home a good portion of that monthly payment would go right back to the nursing home because they can consider and garnish income sources since they only want to pay when they have to.  I also wonder how the 5 year look back period would work and if that would affect things at all.  Not that any of that is your concern, it is something she should be working with an estate planning pro on anyway but just makes me wonder.  Hopefully it never comes to that anyway 
  • This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
    Ah yeh sound machine I regret not getting earlier.
    Also if you want, talk to pedi about sleep training. They often have tips. My dr was really good. BK did 9hrs and once she showed she could sleep long timeframes, our dr suggested a few ways to help encourage her to sleep even longer. It was a gentle CIO - not easy, but the method she suggested made it easier because we knew time frame of when to go in.
    Is tot still sleeping in your room? If so, could you potentially swap him to his own room? Might also help. BK was much better with her own space.
    I will say, G slept WAY better once we moved him to his own room.  I'm not sure how much of it was his crib (obviously better mattress than the bassinet or pack and play) or the fact that there wasn't anything else going on in his room.  I sobbed the first night thinking he was too little to be by himself but when he slept all night long for the first time, I was sold!
  • kvruns said:
    kvruns said:
    oh OK so this house is more of a flip/investment, she gets her $$ to spend now (vs it going to her estate) and you presumably get a better deal now than you would once it went to her estate. 

    I hope she is able to protect the $$ in the event she goes to a nursing home and needs Medicaid to help pay for it. 
    Your first paragraph is totally correct.

    It's so funny you said that in the second paragraph!  I made a similar comment to my H last night.

    While I wish I could purchase the house outright, the deal will only work if she is okay with doing seller-financing.  The thought occurred to me that, if God forbid she ends up in a nursing home, the fact that half the money is going to be paid out to her in a monthly installment loan might actually be to her advantage.  It won't be money just sitting in an account that Medicaid could force her to go through before they help.
    that makes me nervous for your neighbor. I am not an expert on Medicaid at all but I would imagine if she ends up in a nursing home a good portion of that monthly payment would go right back to the nursing home because they can consider and garnish income sources since they only want to pay when they have to.  I also wonder how the 5 year look back period would work and if that would affect things at all.  Not that any of that is your concern, it is something she should be working with an estate planning pro on anyway but just makes me wonder.  Hopefully it never comes to that anyway 
    If she owns it you're right - I think they can come and take it.   My understanding is that with a mortgage it may not happen.    Is she living on her own?  I think the only time they leave equity in the home is when there is more than one person living in the same dwelling.  Example - MIL and FIL live in their house.  Should FIL need nursing home care not all equity will be taken from the home because MIL is still living there.  That is not the case if there was one person living in the dwelling. 

  • banana468 said:
    kvruns said:

    that makes me nervous for your neighbor. I am not an expert on Medicaid at all but I would imagine if she ends up in a nursing home a good portion of that monthly payment would go right back to the nursing home because they can consider and garnish income sources since they only want to pay when they have to.  I also wonder how the 5 year look back period would work and if that would affect things at all.  Not that any of that is your concern, it is something she should be working with an estate planning pro on anyway but just makes me wonder.  Hopefully it never comes to that anyway 
    If she owns it you're right - I think they can come and take it.   My understanding is that with a mortgage it may not happen.    Is she living on her own?  I think the only time they leave equity in the home is when there is more than one person living in the same dwelling.  Example - MIL and FIL live in their house.  Should FIL need nursing home care not all equity will be taken from the home because MIL is still living there.  That is not the case if there was one person living in the dwelling. 

    After closing, I would own the house.  She, I'll call her Cee, wouldn't have any more ownership in it at all.  Other than I would still owe her money from the sale and would make mortgage payments to her.  Plus there would also be a codicil in our contract that she could remain living in it for the rest of her life.  There is even a specific legal term for that, I just forget what it is.

    But that's a bummer to hear the government might be able to take her mortgage payment income also.

    With all that said, I don't think it is that likely she would ever be in a nursing home, unless she has to in her final days.  She would never want to go.

    There is another elderly woman who lives in the house with her, Dee.  But that person doesn't own any piece of the house and, if Cee passes away before Dee does, Dee's relatives would pretty quickly need to find somewhere else for her to live.  She has dementia and can't live on her own.

    Life can be so harsh as we start to age!  They're both in their mid-80s.  Cee has a mind as sharp as a tack, but her body is failing.  Dee is in much better physical health, but her mind is deteriorating.  My H and I love them like family, especially Cee, and have lived across the street from them for 10 years.  It's been hard and sad to watch.  Especially Dee because she didn't have dementia for most of the time we have known her.  That started about 2-3 years ago.  
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  • That's so sad to see her deteriorate like that, both of them really. Sounds like they are lucky to have each other although I imagine dealing with the dementia could be tough for Cee as it progresses for Dee. 
  • banana468 said:
    kvruns said:

    that makes me nervous for your neighbor. I am not an expert on Medicaid at all but I would imagine if she ends up in a nursing home a good portion of that monthly payment would go right back to the nursing home because they can consider and garnish income sources since they only want to pay when they have to.  I also wonder how the 5 year look back period would work and if that would affect things at all.  Not that any of that is your concern, it is something she should be working with an estate planning pro on anyway but just makes me wonder.  Hopefully it never comes to that anyway 
    If she owns it you're right - I think they can come and take it.   My understanding is that with a mortgage it may not happen.    Is she living on her own?  I think the only time they leave equity in the home is when there is more than one person living in the same dwelling.  Example - MIL and FIL live in their house.  Should FIL need nursing home care not all equity will be taken from the home because MIL is still living there.  That is not the case if there was one person living in the dwelling. 

    After closing, I would own the house.  She, I'll call her Cee, wouldn't have any more ownership in it at all.  Other than I would still owe her money from the sale and would make mortgage payments to her.  Plus there would also be a codicil in our contract that she could remain living in it for the rest of her life.  There is even a specific legal term for that, I just forget what it is.

    But that's a bummer to hear the government might be able to take her mortgage payment income also.

    With all that said, I don't think it is that likely she would ever be in a nursing home, unless she has to in her final days.  She would never want to go.

    There is another elderly woman who lives in the house with her, Dee.  But that person doesn't own any piece of the house and, if Cee passes away before Dee does, Dee's relatives would pretty quickly need to find somewhere else for her to live.  She has dementia and can't live on her own.

    Life can be so harsh as we start to age!  They're both in their mid-80s.  Cee has a mind as sharp as a tack, but her body is failing.  Dee is in much better physical health, but her mind is deteriorating.  My H and I love them like family, especially Cee, and have lived across the street from them for 10 years.  It's been hard and sad to watch.  Especially Dee because she didn't have dementia for most of the time we have known her.  That started about 2-3 years ago.  
    The way I've understood it is that if you are owner-occupied and it's the mortgage in your name (not her mortgage) that's when they can come after some but not all of the equity in the home.  

    So in my IL's case they are protected if one of them needs nursing home care because there is a small mortgage and the government won't take the house while MIL is living in it and it leaves some (I think up to $240,000) in equity.     

    If MIL was a single woman owning the home by herself then all equity in the home would be taken prior to her care unless she made provisions like you propose.  

    I think the look back involves gifting amounts but not a mortgage / ownership change.  
  • Casadena said:
    This is exactly our tiffs as well, and it’s exhausting. We’re tiffing about sleep training (again? still?) in the it’s my busiest week at work and the baby doesn’t like sleep training and H is frustrated. He deals with that by being annoyed that the house is messy because you can’t be annoyed at a baby, and I’m getting up with him all night. 
    How much does tot weigh and how old is he?

    To give some reference, BK was 9m when she finally gave us 9hrs of sleep, and until nearly a year ago she was still on bottle before bed to settle.

    If you have sound machine {suggestion for the Hatch!} then definitely do it. I found it made a huge difference with BK. She's not sensitive to sounds, but I find it helps her settle and stay down better.
    Not sure exactly, but probably ~18-20 pounds? (We go to the ped next week for his 6 month appointment). And he’ll be 6 months on Monday. 

    We haven’t been using the sound machine in our room but that’s a good tip! 
    Ah yeh sound machine I regret not getting earlier.
    Also if you want, talk to pedi about sleep training. They often have tips. My dr was really good. BK did 9hrs and once she showed she could sleep long timeframes, our dr suggested a few ways to help encourage her to sleep even longer. It was a gentle CIO - not easy, but the method she suggested made it easier because we knew time frame of when to go in.
    Is tot still sleeping in your room? If so, could you potentially swap him to his own room? Might also help. BK was much better with her own space.
    I will say, G slept WAY better once we moved him to his own room.  I'm not sure how much of it was his crib (obviously better mattress than the bassinet or pack and play) or the fact that there wasn't anything else going on in his room.  I sobbed the first night thinking he was too little to be by himself but when he slept all night long for the first time, I was sold!
    I had to move DefConn out of our room after a little more than 6 months because he was such a loud sleeper (lots of rolling around/sleep noises/grunts/etc.) that I was being woken up by him.  I was also sad until I woke up rested and in a much better mood.  
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