Wedding Woes

All. The. Therapy.

Dear Prudence,

Our first kid was an “oops” and wasn’t planned. My husband always said he wanted at least two kids. But with jobs, travel, and constant moves, I wasn’t ready to have another so shortly after the first one. I wanted to wait at least two years. Out of two years, it became three, then four.

When we started to try to have a second baby after about five years, my doctor referred me to a specialist, as we had been trying for a year without a pregnancy. After two years of medicated cycles and several IVF attempts, COVID came around the corner, and for me, that was the point to stop. I couldn’t take the constant injections and hormone changes, and I was getting to an age where my eggs weren’t good anymore. We kind of just stopped talking about it, and I noticed that I was happy with one and couldn’t imagine going through the whole baby phase without losing myself.

But every time I say something about friends having kids or our son mentions other kids with siblings, my husband shuts down and gives me this look of disgust or disappointment. I am the one that waited too long, I am the one who couldn’t get pregnant naturally, I am the one that cost us $40,000 of injections … Yes, I feel guilty for waiting, not knowing that my body would betray me like that, but I am trying to be at peace with this decision. But every time something (anything) sibling-related comes up, he can’t stand me. When will this stop?

—Sadly One and Done

Re: All. The. Therapy.

  • Ouch.  Yeah therapy for sure. Someone needs to tell him this is not LW’s fault and something tells me he won’t beileve it coming from her. 

  • Yeah - therapy. 

    There's a big CTJ here and if H was like that with me I'd be super ticked.  There's SO MUCH involved in having a kid and giving up your body for 9 months is just the tip of the iceberg.  In addition to recommending therapy I'd ideally look for a counselor specializing in infertility because the H is likely experiencing some mourning of his own but he's absolutely directing it in the wrong place. 
  • It will stop when you divorce him. 
  • I'm kind of team DTMFA with @STARMOON44
     
    He's literally punishing LW after they put themselves through a lot of shit, physically, emotionally, financially, to have it end this way.  Their H is literally blaming LW for decisions they made as a couple (jobs and moves) and things LW can't control (secondary infertility) for them not having a second child.  That's not how this works. Furthermore, it's not like IVF or other interventions to make a baby are easy on a person.  

    The only mistake LW made was to 'drop it' and hope their husband would 'let it go'.  It's now turned into a situation that may make their marriage unsaveable. 

    Also the further you get away from the baby/toddler stage, the harder it is to think about going back.  Watching all the parents of littles last week on vacation reminded me of why we're OK with where we're at kid-wise. DH and I were able to let DefConn go off with other family and we could hop on the jet skis or boats and spend hours w/o a care in the world. And we weren't chasing him down to put him in bed or feeling stuck in one place once he was in bed because he might get up or whatever. 

    That said, DefConn is such a little sweetheart with babies and toddlers.  He was asking to hold the littlest baby all the time and telling me how cute the toddler cousins are.  He would have been such a great big brother.  But, I'm good on not 'giving myself up' as LW says to have another.  
  • The only reason why I'm on team therapy to start is if the H could possibly understand her view and all that's involved.  If he's going to continue to be spiteful then I think it's time for that ultimatum: "If you keep bringing it up or giving the guilt stares you're clearly telling me that this isn't enough for you and we need to go our separate ways." 
  • I'm not quite at the DTMFA stage yet, but I'm close.  The H is grieving and is having a lot of feels that it sounds like he knows are wrong, ie he's never said anything to the LW about it being "her fault".

    Almost as a rule, some of the emotions with grieving are illogical.  He desperately needs counseling himself and/or couples counseling to manage his feelings better and stop blaming his wife for something that isn't her fault.  But I think they should give counseling a chance to save their marriage.

    However, if he refuses to go to counseling, that's a whole other ballgame.  Maybe talking to him.  Pointing out what he is doing and telling him to knock it off and now.    Maybe they can still salvage things.  But it's more likely the LW needs to start planning an exit strategy.
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  • I'm not quite at the DTMFA stage yet, but I'm close.  The H is grieving and is having a lot of feels that it sounds like he knows are wrong, ie he's never said anything to the LW about it being "her fault".

    Almost as a rule, some of the emotions with grieving are illogical.  He desperately needs counseling himself and/or couples counseling to manage his feelings better and stop blaming his wife for something that isn't her fault.  But I think they should give counseling a chance to save their marriage.

    However, if he refuses to go to counseling, that's a whole other ballgame.  Maybe talking to him.  Pointing out what he is doing and telling him to knock it off and now.    Maybe they can still salvage things.  But it's more likely the LW needs to start planning an exit strategy.
    Right.

    I  know I've heard but have not investigated that the stress levels associated with infertility are similar to the stress levels of someone going through cancer.  If the H has not resolved this stress and mourning of what never was it's a problem.  But if the H can NEVER come to terms with it then this is toxic. 
  • banana468 said:
    I'm not quite at the DTMFA stage yet, but I'm close.  The H is grieving and is having a lot of feels that it sounds like he knows are wrong, ie he's never said anything to the LW about it being "her fault".

    Almost as a rule, some of the emotions with grieving are illogical.  He desperately needs counseling himself and/or couples counseling to manage his feelings better and stop blaming his wife for something that isn't her fault.  But I think they should give counseling a chance to save their marriage.

    However, if he refuses to go to counseling, that's a whole other ballgame.  Maybe talking to him.  Pointing out what he is doing and telling him to knock it off and now.    Maybe they can still salvage things.  But it's more likely the LW needs to start planning an exit strategy.
    Right.

    I  know I've heard but have not investigated that the stress levels associated with infertility are similar to the stress levels of someone going through cancer.  If the H has not resolved this stress and mourning of what never was it's a problem.  But if the H can NEVER come to terms with it then this is toxic. 
    I mean, I think they should try therapy if they have not done so already.  However, I'd encourage LW to have little patience for H's resentment over how this has shaken out.  There are no decisions made in a vacuum and his reaction to this makes me wonder how he deals with other types of disappointment.  The knee-jerk reaction to be wounded and start blaming is worrisome.  Once that type of thought pattern sets in, it can take some work to overcome. 

    Furthermore, it doesn't sound like LW is up for any compromise here with regard to a second child.  They've made up their mind that they are OK with having a singular child and moving on with their life.  This letter reads like LW was ambivalent about having children in the first place and maybe they should be more honest with themselves and their H about that. 
  • I'm on team DTMFA. Dealing with grief and infertility is difficult, but his first and only reaction is to blame LW and shut down. LW is clearly hurting, self-blaming, and feeling alone. It doesn't sound like husband is really a partner at all. 
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