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Well...I didn't expect that (non religious people help plz)

I have a friend I have known a few years know, we worked together in differen't departments and hung out a few times in the past but never really talked much about anything but work. She happened to get me the transfer at my new job (where we both work now) and It worked out great because it was in the same town my husband lives in.

I know everyone at the office (or mostly everyone) is very religious as a lot go to pray on their lunch break.

A few weeks ago, one of the girls I have been friendly with asked me if I was religious, I told her I was a non believer. She then told me to be careful what I say in the office because once people found out she was one too she was treated different. (and this isn't a small office there is 25 people here)

So, I thought she was just over reacting a little bit. I hung out with my friend that I knew before that I work with and somehow religion got brought up. I should have listened to the other girls advice and not said anything, but I disagreed with something she said and she let me have it when she realised I was a non believer (we were talking about a christian rock concert that our town is hosting). Telling me I can't celebrate christmas and that I will be left behind and  I was stupid for believing in evolution (when she asked if I did) and all sorts of extreme stuff. My jaw was on the ground.

WTF do I do? I refuse to be yelled at for not going to church and I don't feel like I should have to pretend I believe in anything just so people here are not offended (like the girl who warned me does)... I finally told her that it was MY CHOICE and it was not up for discussion but I could tell that this wont be the last time I hear about it....
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  • Depends on where you work. If its at a religious org, then youa re in trouble and should have kept your mouth shut. If not, then they can shove it. 
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  • Tell her she can pray for your soul.  That'll make her happy. 

    That sucks.  Just tell them that you're very private about your beliefs and prefer not to discuss it.
  • You asked for help from non-religious people, but I'm very religious, and I'm telling you that these people you work with are crazy.

    I'm assuming you don't work for a religious institution (church or religious school)?  Assuming not, these coworker's behavior is completely out of line.

    You don't need to hide who you are or what you believe.  If you start being treated differently, I would go to HR or whatever management you have and complain.

    There is no reason for them to treat you differently or harass you because you have different beliefs.  I would avoid conversation with these people, but also, fight for your rights as a fellow employee.

    Lastly, I promise not all religious people are crazy.  I would never disrespect a fellow employee like that.

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    [QUOTE]Depends on where you work. If its at a religious org, then youa re in trouble and should have kept your mouth shut. If not, then they can shove it. 
    Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

    No! I work for an insurance company! Nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
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    [QUOTE]<strong>You asked for help from non-religious people, but I'm very religious,</strong> and I'm telling you that these people you work with are crazy. I'm assuming you don't work for a religious institution (church or religious school)?  Assuming not, these coworker's behavior is completely out of line. You don't need to hide who you are or what you believe.  If you start being treated differently, I would go to HR or whatever management you have and complain. There is no reason for them to treat you differently or harass you because you have different beliefs.  I would avoid conversation with these people, but also, fight for your rights as a fellow employee. Lastly, I promise not all religious people are crazy.  I would never disrespect a fellow employee like that.
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    I shouldn't have singled out religious people in my heading I apologize, I appreciate your views as someone who is religious (and I know not all religious people are crazy like this, I worked in an office with almost all mormons and they all knew my belief and accepted me for me)
  • If mgmt or hr won't help you, I would check with your local Employment Commission office to see what the laws are in your state. That is, if it's bad enough you need to do something about it.
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  • marateamaratea member
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    Since you don't work for a religiously affiliated employer, I'd talk to HR. What she is doing is harassment.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Well...I didn't expect that (non religious people help plz) : No! I work for an insurance company! Nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
    Posted by alynne1113[/QUOTE]

    Report it to HR
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  • Ick.  Try and steer clear of any more religious conversations, obviously.  If it gets brought up again to the point where it gets uncomfortable I would go to HR.  There is absolutely no reason to feel pressure regarding religion in the workplace (unless you work for a religious organization).
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  •      People who do that are ridiculous.  I have come across a lot of believers who are so offended when you don't believe in their religion or in their god.
         I think that you handled yourself very well in this situation.  I would have probably blown my top and dissected all of her religious beliefs with logic.
         I don't usually have any issue with people who are religious, as long as they respect the fact that I don't believe the way that I respect that they do.  Hopefully there will not be backlash at your office.  Howevere if there is you might want to keep track and report it to HR if you feel as though you are being harassed.  If it is a public company you cannot be harrassed for this. 
         I am glad that you didn't lie.  You should not have to lie about what you believe, or in this case don't believe just to do your job.

       

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  • I'd print out the harrassment law for your state and stick it to your wall with a Buddha sticker. 
  • What was her response after you stood up for yourself? If she brings it up again, I'd report her.
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  • You didn't say, but were you at work when the confrontation happened?
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    [QUOTE]Since you don't work for a religiously affiliated employer, I'd talk to HR. What she is doing is harassment.
    Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

    This.  If things don't simmer down, contact an attorney.
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  • Honestly, I would refuse to discuss anything of a religious nature with anyone you work with, or while at a work event in the future (including any other companies you work for in the future) That's one of those things that people will judge you for, right or wrong, people do it. Sure it's against the law for them to treat you differently and they shouldn't be able to get away with it, but honestly if everyone in the office is the same way, it's probably not going to do you any good to complain. Unless they outright say "we're giving you X disciplinary action because we don't see eye to eye on religious beliefs" it's your word against theirs and it'll most likely just make things more uncomfortable. I'm sure a lot of people don't agree with me. 
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    [QUOTE]You didn't say, but were you at work when the confrontation happened?
    Posted by junieolive[/QUOTE]

    No, we were out to lunch on our lunch break together. The sad thing is I really like this girl as a person (up to now anyways), reguardless of what she believes in and there is no reason we couldn't be friends if she could just accept me for what I believe!
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    [QUOTE]What was her response after you stood up for yourself? If she brings it up again, I'd report her.
    Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]

    She basically told me that she was going to get everything in the after life and she is sorry that I will have nothing and I will be wishing I listened to her. And I just shrugged and said it was time to get back from work and we didn't really talk on our way back. Then I came in and went right to my office cause I needed to process what just happened....
  • I am glad you didn't lie, but I think I agree with dmill. This seems like a turnaround, but she made a lot of sense.  Sometimes it's good to just not bring it up again.  She's probably right in saying that nothing will change.  Bring a book to read at lunch, and do your socializing outside of work.  Hopefully nothing bad will come of it, and no one tries to talk to you about it again.  Of course if you are being harassed eport it, but talking to people who have deep held beliefs  does not usually help, especially if they have a larger group. Good Luck, I hope it was just a one-off kind of situation.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Well...I didn't expect that (non religious people help plz) : <strong>She basically told me that she was going to get everything in the after life and she is sorry that I will have nothing and I will be wishing I listened to her.</strong> And I just shrugged and said it was time to get back from work and we didn't really talk on our way back. Then I came in and went right to my office cause I needed to process what just happened....
    Posted by alynne1113[/QUOTE]

    Oh ffs, why do some religious people think they can basically threaten others into converting?

    Unfortunately, I think pps are right in that she or other employees would have to say something on the jobsite for it to be something you can complain about.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Well...I didn't expect that (non religious people help plz) : She basically told me that she was going to get everything in the after life and she is sorry that I will have nothing and I will be wishing I listened to her. And I just shrugged and said it was time to get back from work and we didn't really talk on our way back. Then I came in and went right to my office cause I needed to process what just happened....
    Posted by alynne1113[/QUOTE]

    This seems so unJesus like.  That's what gets me.  I was raised Catholic, so I know the basic Christian values, and I never understand people who say they are Christian and are so judgy.  Since you don't believe as she does, it doesn't really matter as long as you have a good life NOW.  I would just stay away from her, she is not someone who is going to add anything to your life.
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  • As PPs have said, unless harassment continues, I would leave it. I would avoid any religious discussion at all costs, and if a co-worker tries to pull you into one, I would simply say, "Clearly we have our different beliefs, and that is wonderful, but we are not going to see eye-to-eye, so I think we should stop any further discussion."
  • alynne1113alynne1113 member
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    Yeah, I don't think telling my manager would help since according to the other girl, he is very religious although not as extreme, so I would have to go directly to head office and I will wait and see when she cools down if she brings it up again at work.  

    It just made me feel like such dirt she said some reallllly rude and extreme things to me,
    She asked me if I celebrated Christmas and I said yes, however I do not do gift exchanges with my family, I am just happy to spend time with them and I believe it is about family, And she told me that its not a day about family its about christ and that I am NOT ALLOWED to celebrate Christmas as it is disrespectful to her...and I was all like.. uhh... This is when I realised nothing I said would change her hate towards non believers so thats when I ended the conversation. I just couldn't believe it...people in the restaurant were staring she was so heated about it screaming about how snowflakes are proof of a divine being and that I am stupid for not seeing that...
  • Stop answering her questions.
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    [QUOTE]Stop answering her questions.
    Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]

    I plan to never discuss anything non work related with her again. That was the questions she asked while she was yelling at me at the restaurant and once I realised that she wasn't just joking and was 100% serious about what she was saying I ended the conversation.
  • Honestly, I would try to just forget about it for now. If she continues, I would question being her friend and not go out to dinner/lunch with her anymore. If she doesn't respect you, I'd give her no chance for it to happen.
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  • The whole Christmas thing kills me since most of the traditions are not Christian traditions at all...  Sigh I think that you are doing the correct thing by limiting contact with her.  Just do your work and go home.  I can't see anything else changing.
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  • Im confused why you only wanted non religious people to help you in this post.
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  • Clearly if you are not Christian it would be inappropriate to have a decorative tree in your house or hang colorful socks. FFS.
  • I am atheist. I have learned to NOT to  talk about my beliefs to people, even if they press the issue. I live in MS, and if you don't believe in God, you are automatically a bad person with no morals and are a devil worshipper. Fvcking hypocrites make me sick.
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  • Growing up, I was taught never to discuss religion or politics at work and this is perfect example of why.

    As others have suggested, I think your best bet would be to document everything and report them to HR if it becomes necessary.
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