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A Note to Those Who Want to Get Married Now and a Vow Renewal Later... #2

Hi guys! It has been over 2 years since I have been on the forums, but I first posted in early 2012 asking for advice on a vow renewal. It is a very unsupported topic here on this forum and I remember the backlash and rude comments I had received. I am writing to help support you in your research in hopes of letting you know there are instances where it is 'OKAY' and absolutely 'NOT OKAY' to have a vow renewal. Here is my original post on this topic after we got married: [ http://forums.theknot.com/discussion/comment/3757088#Comment_3757088 ]

Here is my story in a nutshell...

I met DH on a double blind date while he was on holiday leave from the Army in December of 2011. We knew it was special from the first time we laid eyes on each other. He went back to his base - 10 hours away. I went back to college. We were constantly texting and skyping each other since the night of our date. Finally, 3 months later I went to visit him. We had lots of fun and on one of my last nights there, he asked me if he could marry me someday. I responded with "Yes, someday!".[He told me later that he was simply just feeling me out. He didn't really expect for me to say YES!] 

Later that night, I mentioned that we should just go to the courthouse and elope. We considered it, but there were no courthouses open at 2 am (LOL!). I left a few days later and we continued our talks about getting married... at the courthouse! I brought it up to my mom, who then told me she supported me (which surprised me!). I told my grandparents, they were ecstatic for my upcoming plans but wished that I would do a vow renewal or have a reception. I told them I would consider it. My father and my sister were not as supportive as the rest of my family at the time, however they had not met DH yet at that time.

Many talks and breakdowns later, we decided to get married the next time he came home so that our immediate family would be present. We also decided that we would have a vow renewal after he got home from his deployment. So after 6 months of knowing each other, we got married at the courthouse in May 2012. I went to his base for the summer and then I had to come back to our home state to start nursing school. 

It was a long 2 years. Nursing school, a long distance marriage, and a deployment.. it didn't faze us but it certainly wasn't easy. I think the hardest thing was that we spent our first anniversary apart - I was in the USA and he was in Afghanistan. I think we had been with each other physically in the same place for no more than 4 months during those 2 years. It was definitely worth it and we learned A LOT about each other! My family grew to love him and supported us both 150% including those who originally thought it was a terrible idea. Anyhow, there was a point where I actually thought it wasn't even worth having a vow renewal or even a reception. We felt married enough and we didn't really need to reaffirm it despite going through a lot during our first years of marriage. I expressed these concerns to my mother and my mother-in-law. They responded with sadness but said 'Okay'. 

Christmas 2013 came around and my mother and grandmother sat me down and asked if I could reconsider my plans and do a 'get-together' instead for our families. I didn't need to get my vows renewed but they wanted me to have the experience of having a reception. I said I would consider it. In April 2014, I finally agreed that I would have a CELEBRATION in honor of our marriage, my graduation, and to welcome home my husband from Afghanistan - however the main focus of this event was our marriage. I spent the following 3-4 weeks planning an event that was to take place on May 17th, 2014. 

Someone should have slapped me when I even thought about planning essentially a reception in 4 weeks... [Hahaha].

Anyhow, we did it. I made my own invitations, reserved a venue, sent them out within a week of deciding to do this. My motto during planning was KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. I didn't want anything too extravagant or expensive. My family convinced me to get  DJ and a photographer and I was thankful they did. It turned out to be beautiful and I received so many compliments on the decor (again I kept it very simple!). I had globe string lights hung from the ceilings I had purchased from Big Lots ($13 per string and I only used 5). Instead of long tables, I used 30 round tables that were provided by the venue (Which cost $700 for venue/tables/chairs). There was paper tablecloth cover each table ($100) with wood slices (free, thanks to my dad!). On each wood slice there was a mason jar (free!) with such beautiful flowers I had hand picked from a local floral/greenhouse shop (~$50). Each mason jar had some lace and light teal ribbon running through it with some peach and clear gem stones on the bottom. I also sprinkled some faux peach and white diamonds on each wood slice. It really came together. For food, we actually catered Fazoli's Twice Baked Lasagna and Alfredo along with their delicious breadsticks. We also ordered some subs from a local ma and pop sub shop. Finally we had some salad and the dressing was from Olive Garden. The subs and breadsticks disappeared immediately! They were so good and everyone raved about our food. For drinks we had 4 wine options (1 dry red, 1 sweet red, 1 dry white, and 1 sweet white) and beer on tap. Liquor was not allowed at our venue so we did not have any.

I wore a very light peach colored tapered dress with light peach stripper heels (ow!) which I alternated with some adorable cowgirl boots throughout the night. He wore nice jeans, Doc Marten boots, a white button down with a light teal undershirt. I believe we spent about $150 for both of our outfits. 

We had no 'wedding party' or any 'bachelor/bachelorette' parties like you normally would simply because we had no desire to do so and we were married. We had no bridal shower, but people brought gifts and money even though we had asked them that it was not necessary. 

It was so much fun and I absolutely don't regret it. We simply called it Our Celebration and I would be happy to share photos (as soon as I get them) and our invitation for those who were curious about how we went about it tastefully. 

So again, for those who are considering a vow renewal, celebration, or a reception later on in their marriage.. DO NOT feel bad about your ideas. Some people might talk you down from it.. especially those who don't know you or your situation or have never met you! My entire family gave me a lot of support and encouraged it even.. so let your family and friends help you decide whether you should go through it or not. If they react negatively, then there is probably a good reason why they are reacting that way. If they are reacting positively, then by all means do it! I wish all of you the best of luck. 
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Re: A Note to Those Who Want to Get Married Now and a Vow Renewal Later... #2

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    tortor09 said:
    Hi guys! It has been over 2 years since I have been on the forums, but I first posted in early 2012 asking for advice on a vow renewal. It is a very unsupported topic here on this forum and I remember the backlash and rude comments I had received. I am writing to help support you in your research in hopes of letting you know there are instances where it is 'OKAY' and absolutely 'NOT OKAY' to have a vow renewal. Here is my original post on this topic after we got married: [ http://forums.theknot.com/discussion/comment/3757088#Comment_3757088 ]

    Here is my story in a nutshell...

    I met DH on a double blind date while he was on holiday leave from the Army in December of 2011. We knew it was special from the first time we laid eyes on each other. He went back to his base - 10 hours away. I went back to college. We were constantly texting and skyping each other since the night of our date. Finally, 3 months later I went to visit him. We had lots of fun and on one of my last nights there, he asked me if he could marry me someday. I responded with "Yes, someday!".[He told me later that he was simply just feeling me out. He didn't really expect for me to say YES!] 

    Later that night, I mentioned that we should just go to the courthouse and elope. We considered it, but there were no courthouses open at 2 am (LOL!). I left a few days later and we continued our talks about getting married... at the courthouse! I brought it up to my mom, who then told me she supported me (which surprised me!). I told my grandparents, they were ecstatic for my upcoming plans but wished that I would do a vow renewal or have a reception. I told them I would consider it. My father and my sister were not as supportive as the rest of my family at the time, however they had not met DH yet at that time.

    Many talks and breakdowns later, we decided to get married the next time he came home so that our immediate family would be present. We also decided that we would have a vow renewal after he got home from his deployment. So after 6 months of knowing each other, we got married at the courthouse in May 2012. I went to his base for the summer and then I had to come back to our home state to start nursing school. 

    It was a long 2 years. Nursing school, a long distance marriage, and a deployment.. it didn't faze us but it certainly wasn't easy. I think the hardest thing was that we spent our first anniversary apart - I was in the USA and he was in Afghanistan. I think we had been with each other physically in the same place for no more than 4 months during those 2 years. It was definitely worth it and we learned A LOT about each other! My family grew to love him and supported us both 150% including those who originally thought it was a terrible idea. Anyhow, there was a point where I actually thought it wasn't even worth having a vow renewal or even a reception. We felt married enough and we didn't really need to reaffirm it despite going through a lot during our first years of marriage. I expressed these concerns to my mother and my mother-in-law. They responded with sadness but said 'Okay'. 

    Christmas 2013 came around and my mother and grandmother sat me down and asked if I could reconsider my plans and do a 'get-together' instead for our families. I didn't need to get my vows renewed but they wanted me to have the experience of having a reception. I said I would consider it. In April 2014, I finally agreed that I would have a CELEBRATION in honor of our marriage, my graduation, and to welcome home my husband from Afghanistan - however the main focus of this event was our marriage. I spent the following 3-4 weeks planning an event that was to take place on May 17th, 2014. 

    Someone should have slapped me when I even thought about planning essentially a reception in 4 weeks... [Hahaha].

    Anyhow, we did it. I made my own invitations, reserved a venue, sent them out within a week of deciding to do this. My motto during planning was KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. I didn't want anything too extravagant or expensive. My family convinced me to get  DJ and a photographer and I was thankful they did. It turned out to be beautiful and I received so many compliments on the decor (again I kept it very simple!). I had globe string lights hung from the ceilings I had purchased from Big Lots ($13 per string and I only used 5). Instead of long tables, I used 30 round tables that were provided by the venue (Which cost $700 for venue/tables/chairs). There was paper tablecloth cover each table ($100) with wood slices (free, thanks to my dad!). On each wood slice there was a mason jar (free!) with such beautiful flowers I had hand picked from a local floral/greenhouse shop (~$50). Each mason jar had some lace and light teal ribbon running through it with some peach and clear gem stones on the bottom. I also sprinkled some faux peach and white diamonds on each wood slice. It really came together. For food, we actually catered Fazoli's Twice Baked Lasagna and Alfredo along with their delicious breadsticks. We also ordered some subs from a local ma and pop sub shop. Finally we had some salad and the dressing was from Olive Garden. The subs and breadsticks disappeared immediately! They were so good and everyone raved about our food. For drinks we had 4 wine options (1 dry red, 1 sweet red, 1 dry white, and 1 sweet white) and beer on tap. Liquor was not allowed at our venue so we did not have any.

    I wore a very light peach colored tapered dress with light peach stripper heels (ow!) which I alternated with some adorable cowgirl boots throughout the night. He wore nice jeans, Doc Marten boots, a white button down with a light teal undershirt. I believe we spent about $150 for both of our outfits. 

    We had no 'wedding party' or any 'bachelor/bachelorette' parties like you normally would simply because we had no desire to do so and we were married. We had no bridal shower, but people brought gifts and money even though we had asked them that it was not necessary. 

    It was so much fun and I absolutely don't regret it. We simply called it Our Celebration and I would be happy to share photos (as soon as I get them) and our invitation for those who were curious about how we went about it tastefully. 

    So again, for those who are considering a vow renewal, celebration, or a reception later on in their marriage.. DO NOT feel bad about your ideas. Some people might talk you down from it.. especially those who don't know you or your situation or have never met you! My entire family gave me a lot of support and encouraged it even.. so let your family and friends help you decide whether you should go through it or not. If they react negatively, then there is probably a good reason why they are reacting that way. If they are reacting positively, then by all means do it! I wish all of you the best of luck. 

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    @NYCMercedes - Why? Do I need a reason? Well, mainly because of my family's wishes. I was the youngest daughter and the first to marry in my immediate family. So of course they wanted to make it into a big event. I was going to originally have a vow renewal when all of this began, but decided not to. I didn't need to have that revalidation personally. Even then, my family literally begged me to do something to celebrate us getting married and I'm glad they did. It was nice to celebrate the last 2 years of marriage and see everyone one last time before I moved across the country away from everyone.

    @Maggie0829 I realize that not everyone is against vow renewals or celebration, but it seems that this forum has an overwhelming negative stigma against them. I don't know why, but this is why I wanted to share my experience with those who hope to do something similar. 

    To everyone else making comments that are unnecessary - You guys are proving my point.. but this post is also not for YOU. It's for those who you probably have bashed on for having a simple post about vow renewal/wedding celebration/etc and then you tearing their post to shreds. If you truly don't care, then keep on scrolling and troll someone else! Have a nice day.. I most certainly am! :)
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    tortor09 said:
    @NYCMercedes - Why? Do I need a reason? Well, mainly because of my family's wishes. I was the youngest daughter and the first to marry in my immediate family. So of course they wanted to make it into a big event. I was going to originally have a vow renewal when all of this began, but decided not to. I didn't need to have that revalidation personally. Even then, my family literally begged me to do something to celebrate us getting married and I'm glad they did. It was nice to celebrate the last 2 years of marriage and see everyone one last time before I moved across the country away from everyone.

    @Maggie0829 I realize that not everyone is against vow renewals or celebration, but it seems that this forum has an overwhelming negative stigma against them. I don't know why, but this is why I wanted to share my experience with those who hope to do something similar. 

    To everyone else making comments that are unnecessary - You guys are proving my point.. but this post is also not for YOU. It's for those who you probably have bashed on for having a simple post about vow renewal/wedding celebration/etc and then you tearing their post to shreds. If you truly don't care, then keep on scrolling and troll someone else! Have a nice day.. I most certainly am! :)
    No, this forum does not have an overwhelming negative stigma against them.  Like I said, vow renewals, marriage celebration parties are all good.  It is the fake redo weddings where the couple has lied to their friends and families where we have issues.

    Also, you can't tell people how to post.

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    tortor09 said:
    @NYCMercedes - Why? Do I need a reason? Well, mainly because of my family's wishes. I was the youngest daughter and the first to marry in my immediate family. So of course they wanted to make it into a big event. I was going to originally have a vow renewal when all of this began, but decided not to. I didn't need to have that revalidation personally. Even then, my family literally begged me to do something to celebrate us getting married and I'm glad they did. It was nice to celebrate the last 2 years of marriage and see everyone one last time before I moved across the country away from everyone.

    @Maggie0829 I realize that not everyone is against vow renewals or celebration, but it seems that this forum has an overwhelming negative stigma against them. I don't know why, but this is why I wanted to share my experience with those who hope to do something similar. 

    To everyone else making comments that are unnecessary - You guys are proving my point.. but this post is also not for YOU. It's for those who you probably have bashed on for having a simple post about vow renewal/wedding celebration/etc and then you tearing their post to shreds. If you truly don't care, then keep on scrolling and troll someone else! Have a nice day.. I most certainly am! :)
    If you're still thinking about the responses that you got here so much that you felt you had to come back and tell your ridiculous, long, dramatic sob story after TWO YEARS, I would be willing to bet that this post is for the "you" you're referring to. 
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    I find it ironic that you talk about others being rude when you come on so antagonistically with this post.
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    I admittedly didn't read the old post, and wasn't around back then to know if people felt differently about it then, but... nope, what you did sounds perfectly reasonable and acceptable. Didn't lie to family and friends about whether you were already married, didn't look down upon your courthouse marriage as not being "the real thing," had a lovely and accurately titled celebration. Super. 

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    Most people on this site have no issue with vow renewals. What they do get bad-shit-crazy over is people who deem the legal wedding as not good enough and feel the need to have a redo wedding, complete with all the wedding fixings (wedding party, showers, bachelorette parties, white dress, fancy cake, etc.)... often without letting their guests know they are already married. What is often referred to as a PPD (Pretty Princess Day). 

    It sounds like you did everything correctly.  You consider your legal wedding to actually be your wedding. You didn't do a courthouse wedding, decide it didn't really count since it wasn't a big fancy ordeal, and try to redo the big wedding later.  You didn't lie to your family/guests about already being married. Having a vow renewal is perfectly fine. As long as it is widely known that it is a vow renewal, not your actual wedding. 

    It sounds like you had a wonderful celebration of your marriage, which is perfectly acceptable.  And you didn't try to have a redo wedding, which is even better.  Even if you did a renewal of vows there, it would have been fine, as long as it's clearly a renewal.  You proved that you can have an awesome, meaningful celebration without it being a copy of a wedding or trying to pretend it's a wedding. I didn't read your whole post from 2 years ago, but it sounds like you had leaned more toward a PPD back then.  But, over time you realized that the "wedding" stuff isn't necessary to have a great celebration and you did it the right way in the end.  And your celebration sounds like it was awesome. 

    Too many people get hung up on thinking it's not a "real" wedding without the poofy dress and 200 drunk guests, and they think the vows or marriage don't count without all that. The people that come on here and say, "we already did the legal courthouse wedding, but now we are planning our real wedding" are the problem. Those are the people that the Knotties have issue with.  Those are the people that try to say a courthouse wedding or a small, private wedding isn't a "real" wedding, and they demean those that actually value those legal vows they took in a smaller setting. They demean their "real" wedding and they day they said those legal vows to their partner and became married. 

    But, you seem to have done it right. So, there's no need to have an attitude about Knotties being against all vow renewals, because that's not the case.  Vow renewals are awesome. Having a celebration of marriage is awesome.  Disregarding your "legal wedding" to now have a big PPD "real wedding" is where people here have issue. (FYI, legal & real wedding are the same thing).

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    Much ado about nothing.

    Congratulations on your wedding and vow renewal, not that any comments I could see on your original thread were in any way rude.
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    I mean....really?  Other PPs have pointed out A) the majority of posters here have no problem with vow renewals and give helpful suggestions/support to posters who ask about them, B) what you described 2 years ago is NOT what you presented here and C) why are you hung up about a post on the internet two years ago?

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    I'm not stewing about a post from two years ago. It may appear that way but I was in fact trying to give support to those who were in fact researching this whole idea and may come across my posts. Anyhow, whatever I've been over it for a long time, but I couldn't help but remember my original post (before the one that was linked to this specific post) and feel that there were girls that were thinking or feeling the same way as I was then - overwhelmed, scared, excited.. Only to receive little support when inquiring of going to the courthouse then a ceremony later. In fact.. at the time I was hurt that no one was giving me answers to my questions and basically said NO. I felt embarrased and ashamed I even posted. Again, have a good day! I'm done explaining my motives to y'all because that's not what this original post was intended for.
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    tortor09 said:
    I'm not stewing about a post from two years ago. It may appear that way but I was in fact trying to give support to those who were in fact researching this whole idea and may come across my posts. Anyhow, whatever I've been over it for a long time, but I couldn't help but remember my original post (before the one that was linked to this specific post) and feel that there were girls that were thinking or feeling the same way as I was then - overwhelmed, scared, excited.. Only to receive little support when inquiring of going to the courthouse then a ceremony later. In fact.. at the time I was hurt that no one was giving me answers to my questions and basically said NO. I felt embarrased and ashamed I even posted. Again, have a good day! I'm done explaining my motives to y'all because that's not what this original post was intended for.
    The courthouse IS your ceremony. That's probably why you got the responses you did. If you didn't care, why would you come back two years later!?!? This makes zero sense. 
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    tortor09 said:
    I'm not stewing about a post from two years ago. It may appear that way but I was in fact trying to give support to those who were in fact researching this whole idea and may come across my posts. Anyhow, whatever I've been over it for a long time, but I couldn't help but remember my original post (before the one that was linked to this specific post) and feel that there were girls that were thinking or feeling the same way as I was then - overwhelmed, scared, excited.. Only to receive little support when inquiring of going to the courthouse then a ceremony later. In fact.. at the time I was hurt that no one was giving me answers to my questions and basically said NO. I felt embarrased and ashamed I even posted. Again, have a good day! I'm done explaining my motives to y'all because that's not what this original post was intended for.
    You didn't receive the support you anticipated because this is a totally bullshit and insulting concept. The courthouse wedding you rushed into WAS YOUR CEREMONY. You don't get to have another ceremony just because you didn't think the courthouse was good enough. 

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    Okay let's clear a couple things up... 1. I agree that lying is unacceptable especially about your own marriage. I have never condoned that ever. 2. I did not parade around in a white dress at our celebration. I wore a dress at the courthouse. 3. I also said that what took place at the courthouse WAS my wedding. It was when I signed the papers. I have never argued against that. 4. The main reasons why I had even considered a vow renewal or religious ceremony was because of: a) my family had begged me to do one because they were not present at the courthouse b) my husband had a long distance marriage for our first 2 years c) he was deployed and we had gone through a lot in those two years and to reaffirm our love after a hell of two years. NOT TO HAVE A DO-OVER.. I didn't care if I was in jeans and then renewed our vows. But, none of that matters now, because we decided not to renew our vows... We had a celebration. 5. I did this in a very tasteful fashion whether you guys like to admit it or not. I asked family and friends what the etiquette was in our area and it was welcomed by all. They actually were the ones suggesting crazy ideas that you would see at a 'Fake Wedding'.. Guess who turned them down? Me. Like I said, my motto was KISS- Keep it simple stupid. I didn't want this to be an over the top event because a) I was in nursing school, I had no time for that b) It wasn't me c) We had a small budget for this. Shall we agree to disagree? We obviously have different viewpoints. I was not trying to offend those who did this in one round or those who renew their vows after years and years of marriage. I truly respect those people, I do. I simply was trying to share this for those people who choose to go this route in a TASTEFUL fashion.
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    tortor09 said:
    Okay let's clear a couple things up... 1. I agree that lying is unacceptable especially about your own marriage. I have never condoned that ever. 2. I did not parade around in a white dress at our celebration. I wore a dress at the courthouse. 3. I also said that what took place at the courthouse WAS my wedding. It was when I signed the papers. I have never argued against that. 4. The main reasons why I had even considered a vow renewal or religious ceremony was because of: a) my family had begged me to do one because they were not present at the courthouse b) my husband had a long distance marriage for our first 2 years c) he was deployed and we had gone through a lot in those two years and to reaffirm our love after a hell of two years. NOT TO HAVE A DO-OVER.. I didn't care if I was in jeans and then renewed our vows. But, none of that matters now, because we decided not to renew our vows... We had a celebration. 5. I did this in a very tasteful fashion whether you guys like to admit it or not. I asked family and friends what the etiquette was in our area and it was welcomed by all. They actually were the ones suggesting crazy ideas that you would see at a 'Fake Wedding'.. Guess who turned them down? Me. Like I said, my motto was KISS- Keep it simple stupid. I didn't want this to be an over the top event because a) I was in nursing school, I had no time for that b) It wasn't me c) We had a small budget for this. Shall we agree to disagree? We obviously have different viewpoints. I was not trying to offend those who did this in one round or those who renew their vows after years and years of marriage. I truly respect those people, I do. I simply was trying to share this for those people who choose to go this route in a TASTEFUL fashion.
    And like several of us have stated... we think you went about this in a perfectly acceptable way. It sounds like what you brought up 2 years ago might not have been quite so proper, but this was. People were speaking in generalities about why we so detest most people's PPD plans, which is not what you did. 

    We just don't understand why you're coming in with such bitterness and aggression when what actually took place sounds perfectly fine, and we're happy you got to celebrate with your families.

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    I'm just confused about one thing. 

    Did you really say, "I wore a very light peach colored tapered dress with light peach stripper heels .

    For real? To a wedding celebration? In front of your family?
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    I'm just confused about one thing. 

    Did you really say, "I wore a very light peach colored tapered dress with light peach stripper heels .

    For real? To a wedding celebration? In front of your family?
    Clearly she's trying to convey how tasteful and low-key this event was.
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    I'm just confused about one thing. 

    Did you really say, "I wore a very light peach colored tapered dress with light peach stripper heels .

    For real? To a wedding celebration? In front of your family?
    Clearly she's trying to convey how tasteful and low-key this event was.
    @ShesSoCold - off topic, is your dog a white Boxer or an American Bulldog? 
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