Douche -B finally got what was coming to him

OliveOilsMom

If anyone has read the TMZ article, the NFL did see this video according to the security official from the Revel Casino.  This happened in Atlantic City at the now closed Revel.  I think the only reason this was released now (1 week after the place closed) was because the guy would have no repercussion against him now.

Yes they were both charged (I live in South Jersey) and this was big news around here when it happened because it was local.  It happened right after the Super Bowl sometime, so before Jay Z's elevator ride with Solange.  I do think the reason they got married (within like a month) of the incident was so that neither could testify against the other, that's just my opinion though.

Maggie0829

Cookie Pusher said:

Maggie0829 said:

Cookie Pusher said:

Maggie0829 said:

I still can't believe she went ahead and married his ass after what happened though.  Sorry to say but she probably did it for the money but she easily could have gotten the money by suing him instead of legally binding herself to him.

That's an unfair assumption, and also victim shaming. The two have been together for a long time (I think high school or at least college) and have a young child together. As we've seen and heard about many times before, many women in abusive relationships choose to stay despite the dangers to themselves and their children. She may truly love him and believe he can change. She could have low self-esteem and believe this is what she deserves/he's the best she can get. Victim/abuser may be the only relationship dynamic she knows (cycles of abuse also run in families).

I'm sorry but that is my opinion. It doesn't matter how long they have been together or that they have children. What matters is that he fucking punched her twice and then drug her out of the elevator without giving two shits if her unconcious self was okay. That to me is grounds for breaking up and only having contact when it comes to their children. 

And if that life (victim/abuser) is the only life she knows then she needs to get herself some help rather then continuing to live that life. 

Also I am certainly not saying that him hitting her is acceptable at all, but I do also judge her for slapping him/hitting him in the first place. Abuse can go both ways and she should be just as ashamed of herself for laying her hands on him as he should be for doing what he did. 

Finally, she may truly love him, but love is not enough when it comes to staying in an abusive relationship.

Edited because the stupid post didn't keep my paragraphs.

I wasn't trying to defend her decision to continue on with the wedding - simply saying that there are reasons other than being a gold-digger (as your previous post stated) on why women stay with their abusers. Lord knows my mother stayed with my father despite his abusing me, and he didn't have two pennies to rub together.

I guess for me the only reason that I can think that would make sense as to why she stayed is the money angle.  Because for me, the amount of love I have for that person or how long I have been with that person just would not be enough for me to stay.  Maybe she is in desperate need for the money or maybe she just wants to take him through the ringer in divorce court, we will never know.  But I think her staying is dumb.  Period.

They both need to get help that is for sure.

climbingsingle

Watching the video was sickening. And the way he dragged her out of the elevator like she was a bag of trash just made it all the more worse. There didn't seem to be any concern on his part after knocking her unconscious.

KatieinBkln

Maggie0829 said:

Cookie Pusher said:

Maggie0829 said:

Cookie Pusher said:

Maggie0829 said:

I still can't believe she went ahead and married his ass after what happened though.  Sorry to say but she probably did it for the money but she easily could have gotten the money by suing him instead of legally binding herself to him.

That's an unfair assumption, and also victim shaming. The two have been together for a long time (I think high school or at least college) and have a young child together. As we've seen and heard about many times before, many women in abusive relationships choose to stay despite the dangers to themselves and their children. She may truly love him and believe he can change. She could have low self-esteem and believe this is what she deserves/he's the best she can get. Victim/abuser may be the only relationship dynamic she knows (cycles of abuse also run in families).

I'm sorry but that is my opinion. It doesn't matter how long they have been together or that they have children. What matters is that he fucking punched her twice and then drug her out of the elevator without giving two shits if her unconcious self was okay. That to me is grounds for breaking up and only having contact when it comes to their children. 

And if that life (victim/abuser) is the only life she knows then she needs to get herself some help rather then continuing to live that life. 

Also I am certainly not saying that him hitting her is acceptable at all, but I do also judge her for slapping him/hitting him in the first place. Abuse can go both ways and she should be just as ashamed of herself for laying her hands on him as he should be for doing what he did. 

Finally, she may truly love him, but love is not enough when it comes to staying in an abusive relationship.

Edited because the stupid post didn't keep my paragraphs.

I wasn't trying to defend her decision to continue on with the wedding - simply saying that there are reasons other than being a gold-digger (as your previous post stated) on why women stay with their abusers. Lord knows my mother stayed with my father despite his abusing me, and he didn't have two pennies to rub together.

I guess for me the only reason that I can think that would make sense as to why she stayed is the money angle.  Because for me, the amount of love I have for that person or how long I have been with that person just would not be enough for me to stay.  Maybe she is in desperate need for the money or maybe she just wants to take him through the ringer in divorce court, we will never know.  But I think her staying is dumb.  Period.

They both need to get help that is for sure.

Reason isn't happening here. I mean, OF COURSE in logic-land people would never make choices that are against their own interests. But it happens every day, and not only to "dumb" people. To state or imply otherwise is either cruel or ignorant. Physical abuse is rarely the first thing that happens in a dysfunctional relationship--usually there is a long history of emotional or verbal abuse ahead of time (not always, of course, but often). This kind of abuse erodes the victim's sense of self-worth, but it also involves gaslighting (making the victim doubt her own reason/sense of reality) and isolating the victim from the kinds of people who will tell her the truth and validate her own concerns. By the time someone hits his wife, for example, he may very well have convinced her that she has nowhere and no one to turn to, that no one will believe her anyway, that she is too dumb to support herself without him, etc. etc. 

There's a lot of information documented on the kind of psychological damage that victims of domestic abuse suffer. Your lack of empathy doesn't really help them, frankly. They're told how "dumb" they are at home all the time; I'm not sure how your opinion on the matter would be helpful to them. Obviously this is a hypothetical for all of us (I mean, I'm assuming none of us know this woman). But I would caution you on expressing this opinion to a victim you actually know--I can't see how calling her dumb would be helpful in the slightest.

jenajjthr

Maggie0829 said:

Cookie Pusher said:

Maggie0829 said:

Cookie Pusher said:

Maggie0829 said:

I still can't believe she went ahead and married his ass after what happened though.  Sorry to say but she probably did it for the money but she easily could have gotten the money by suing him instead of legally binding herself to him.

That's an unfair assumption, and also victim shaming. The two have been together for a long time (I think high school or at least college) and have a young child together. As we've seen and heard about many times before, many women in abusive relationships choose to stay despite the dangers to themselves and their children. She may truly love him and believe he can change. She could have low self-esteem and believe this is what she deserves/he's the best she can get. Victim/abuser may be the only relationship dynamic she knows (cycles of abuse also run in families).

I'm sorry but that is my opinion. It doesn't matter how long they have been together or that they have children. What matters is that he fucking punched her twice and then drug her out of the elevator without giving two shits if her unconcious self was okay. That to me is grounds for breaking up and only having contact when it comes to their children. 

And if that life (victim/abuser) is the only life she knows then she needs to get herself some help rather then continuing to live that life. 

Also I am certainly not saying that him hitting her is acceptable at all, but I do also judge her for slapping him/hitting him in the first place. Abuse can go both ways and she should be just as ashamed of herself for laying her hands on him as he should be for doing what he did. 

Finally, she may truly love him, but love is not enough when it comes to staying in an abusive relationship.

Edited because the stupid post didn't keep my paragraphs.

I wasn't trying to defend her decision to continue on with the wedding - simply saying that there are reasons other than being a gold-digger (as your previous post stated) on why women stay with their abusers. Lord knows my mother stayed with my father despite his abusing me, and he didn't have two pennies to rub together.

I guess for me the only reason that I can think that would make sense as to why she stayed is the money angle.  Because for me, the amount of love I have for that person or how long I have been with that person just would not be enough for me to stay.  Maybe she is in desperate need for the money or maybe she just wants to take him through the ringer in divorce court, we will never know.  But I think her staying is dumb.  Period.

They both need to get help that is for sure.

I'm not a dumb person, but you would be surprised at how easy it is for an abuser to convince their victims that they are dumb, nobody likes them, nobody supports them or their decisions, to start questioning "common sense" and "logical" decisions. It starts slowly, but is easier if the person comes from a history of abuse. They don't know which way is up, down, right, or wrong. They, me, truly believe they are all alone, and the abuser is the only person in their life. 

It isn't until you can get away that you can start to gain your sense of equilibrium back. To this day though, I still call myself dumb for staying. My therapist tries very hard to convince me that I wasn't, that I'm not. I was making a decision at the time, that seemed like the best decision, even if it wasn't. What survivors and people still in the abuse situations DON'T need is uneducated people still calling us dumb and stupid for staying. We get that enough from the abusers, we don't need it from any other people. 

As for the bolded, your are correct. Both need help, problem is he probably won't get it. I hope she does. 

mrs4everhart

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

southernbelle0915

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

This is one of the more shocking and disgusting NWR things I've ever read on TK.

climbingsingle

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

I can't even convey how fucked up this is that you posted this. Wow.

chibiyui

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

holyguacamole79

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

mrs4everhart

southernbelle0915 said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

This is one of the more shocking and disgusting NWR things I've ever read on TK.

Why because I'm more disgusted that Michael Vick still has a job than whether or not Ray Rice does? Humans have free will. Animals do not. Ray Rice's fiancee could have had him arrested. She didn't. Instead she married him. Animals have no free will. They are subjected to whatever humans do to them, good or bad. The NFL gave a sick scumbag who tortures animals for a good time and profit his job back. If there's anything shocking, sick, or disgusting it's that.

mrs4everhart

sarahbear31 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

And that, right there ladies and gentleman, is what is wrong with our society in a nutshell. Men who abuse animals shouldn't be looked up to either, but where's the NFL on that?

chibiyui

STBMrsEverhart said:

sarahbear31 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

And that, right there ladies and gentleman, is what is wrong with our society in a nutshell. Men who abuse animals shouldn't be looked up to either, but where's the NFL on that?

Agreeing with the sort of people who think women who stay with abusive men deserve what happens to them because they have "free will"

southernbelle0915

@MrsEverHart - the shit you post about your "wedding" is ridiculous and eye-roll worthy at best.

But this crosses the line and is so extremely fucked up I just... I really just can't. I will not spend any of my time or energy reading or responding to anything you say ever again. Unless you post to my board or I'm paged to deal with you.

holyguacamole79

STBMrsEverhart said:

sarahbear31 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

And that, right there ladies and gentleman, is what is wrong with our society in a nutshell. Men who abuse animals shouldn't be looked up to either, but where's the NFL on that?

Oh I definitely agree that Vick should not be considered a role model. Your comment about dogs not being able to fight back like humans can is a disgusting take on empowering the aggressor. Money or not, leaving an abusive relationship is not always cut and dry.

mrs4everhart

southernbelle0915 said:

@MrsEverHart - the shit you post about your "wedding" is ridiculous and eye-roll worthy at best. But this crosses the line and is so extremely fucked up I just... I really just can't. I will not spend any of my time or energy reading or responding to anything you say ever again. Unless you post to my board or I'm paged to deal with you.

Don't threaten me with a good time! Um, okay. 

lurkergirl

STBMrsEverhart said:

southernbelle0915 said:

@MrsEverHart - the shit you post about your "wedding" is ridiculous and eye-roll worthy at best. But this crosses the line and is so extremely fucked up I just... I really just can't. I will not spend any of my time or energy reading or responding to anything you say ever again. Unless you post to my board or I'm paged to deal with you.

Don't threaten me with a good time! Um, okay. 

JCbride2015

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Do you seriously believe it's that easy to leave an abusive relationship?  Do you really think his wife is "obviously okay" with him beating her?  Are you living in an alternate reality?

...oh right.

ashley8918

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Whoa. This is fucking disgusting. Victim blaming honestly makes me feel physically ill. What kind of person honestly believes this shit?

It is people like you that make the cycle of abuse so strong. You see, abusers use violence, combined with verbal and emotional abuse to get their victims to stay. The violence is to keep them too scared to attempt an escape, while the verbal and emotional abuses effectively makes them believe that they are stupid , and they no one will believe them or care if they speak up.

Story time: My ex husband was an abuser in more ways than one, and he didn't have 2 dimes to rub together. And guess what? I married him knowing it. Why? I was terrified. I knew if I tried to get away, he would hurt me. If I did manage to get away, he would find me (and he did, more than once). He also got me to believe that It was my fault. I provoked him; I made him act that way. He also convinced me that no one would sympathize with me. And sometimes, he even threatened suicide if I left (another form of emotional abuse). Do you know what it finally took for me to leave? Not the first rape. Not the second. And not the several times I was hit in the face. It took him holding me down while his friend raped me and then throwing me down the stairs so hard that my daughter (in utero) almost didn't survive. I broke several ribs, my collar bone, and my nose. I am not stupid, and I am sure as fuck not a "gold digger" (motherfucker couldn't hold a job to save his life). And it took a while for me to break the self-blame habit that he instilled in me, but I was NEVER to blame, and neither is Jenay Rice. You are ignorant as fuck.

P.S. All, PDQ.

JCbride2015

@Ashley8918 "liked" for your rage and explanation of the cycle of abuse, obviously not for the horrific things you went through.  I'm so glad you and your daughter are safe now.

Also for those who don't know, PDQ means please don't quote (I only figured that out recently).

mrs4everhart

chibiyui said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

sarahbear31 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

And that, right there ladies and gentleman, is what is wrong with our society in a nutshell. Men who abuse animals shouldn't be looked up to either, but where's the NFL on that?

Agreeing with the sort of people who think women who stay with abusive men deserve what happens to them because they have "free will"

"Deserve" isn't really a word I'm comfortable with. I think all sorts of terrible things happen to great people and lots of shit heels get to go through life never getting what they have coming to them. So "deserve"....meh.

But adults in this country DO have free will. Animals and children, not so much. So I choose to save my sympathies for the innocent and those who have zero control over their horrible situations. I have sympathies for first time abuse victims. I have sympathy for women who are abused, get out, then are stalked and harmed additionally by their abuser. This chick? Nope. Not now anyway. 

By marrying the guy instead of leaving him, yup, she's giving consent in some form or another that his treatment of her is acceptable. She might not like it, but she's willing to stick around. There are things each of us are all willing to accept. She wasn't married to him when he beat her unconscious. But she is now. So draw your own conclusions.

But beyond who I feel bad for or who I don't and why - I'm furious that the NFL as an organization allows animal abusers to flourish while thinking they made a big contribution to basic human decency by stripping Ray Rice of his ability to play and that it amounts to a goddamn thing. Had they not accepted Michael Vick back I'd be the first to applaud their stance on Ray Rice's terrible behavior. Instead I'll be boycotting football altogether until the NFL's priorities are similar to mine. Since actions speak louder than words, I'll probably be boycotting awhile. 

ashley8918

I just fucking can't with this bitch.

chibiyui

STBMrsEverhart said:

chibiyui said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

sarahbear31 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

And that, right there ladies and gentleman, is what is wrong with our society in a nutshell. Men who abuse animals shouldn't be looked up to either, but where's the NFL on that?

Agreeing with the sort of people who think women who stay with abusive men deserve what happens to them because they have "free will"

"Deserve" isn't really a word I'm comfortable with. I think all sorts of terrible things happen to great people and lots of shit heels get to go through life never getting what they have coming to them. So "deserve"....meh.

But adults in this country DO have free will. Animals and children, not so much. So I choose to save my sympathies for the innocent and those who have zero control over their horrible situations. I have sympathies for first time abuse victims. I have sympathy for women who are abused, get out, then are stalked and harmed additionally by their abuser. This chick? Nope. Not now anyway. 

By marrying the guy instead of leaving him, yup, she's giving consent in some form or another that his treatment of her is acceptable. She might not like it, but she's willing to stick around. There are things each of us are all willing to accept. She wasn't married to him when he beat her unconscious. But she is now. So draw your own conclusions.

But beyond who I feel bad for or who I don't and why - I'm furious that the NFL as an organization allows animal abusers to flourish while thinking they made a big contribution to basic human decency by stripping Ray Rice of his ability to play and that it amounts to a goddamn thing. Had they not accepted Michael Vick back I'd be the first to applaud their stance on Ray Rice's terrible behavior. Instead I'll be boycotting football altogether until the NFL's priorities are similar to mine. Since actions speak louder than words, I'll probably be boycotting awhile. 

I hope you're a troll. Because you are legitimately, not a good person. 

holyguacamole79

Ashley, thank you for sharing your story. I'm also glad that you are now safe and in a better place.

JCbride2015

STBMrsEverhart said:

chibiyui said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

sarahbear31 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

And that, right there ladies and gentleman, is what is wrong with our society in a nutshell. Men who abuse animals shouldn't be looked up to either, but where's the NFL on that?

Agreeing with the sort of people who think women who stay with abusive men deserve what happens to them because they have "free will"

"Deserve" isn't really a word I'm comfortable with. I think all sorts of terrible things happen to great people and lots of shit heels get to go through life never getting what they have coming to them. So "deserve"....meh.

But adults in this country DO have free will. Animals and children, not so much. So I choose to save my sympathies for the innocent and those who have zero control over their horrible situations. I have sympathies for first time abuse victims. I have sympathy for women who are abused, get out, then are stalked and harmed additionally by their abuser. This chick? Nope. Not now anyway. 

By marrying the guy instead of leaving him, yup, she's giving consent in some form or another that his treatment of her is acceptable. She might not like it, but she's willing to stick around. There are things each of us are all willing to accept. She wasn't married to him when he beat her unconscious. But she is now. So draw your own conclusions.

But beyond who I feel bad for or who I don't and why - I'm furious that the NFL as an organization allows animal abusers to flourish while thinking they made a big contribution to basic human decency by stripping Ray Rice of his ability to play and that it amounts to a goddamn thing. Had they not accepted Michael Vick back I'd be the first to applaud their stance on Ray Rice's terrible behavior. Instead I'll be boycotting football altogether until the NFL's priorities are similar to mine. Since actions speak louder than words, I'll probably be boycotting awhile. 

You disgust me.  Absolute fucking disgust.

ashley8918

@JCBride2015 @paperpusher

Thank you very much. I don't talk about it a lot because I refuse to let it define me, but I have no problem sharing my story when ignorant assholes like this come around. 

mrs4everhart

JCbride2015 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

chibiyui said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

sarahbear31 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

And that, right there ladies and gentleman, is what is wrong with our society in a nutshell. Men who abuse animals shouldn't be looked up to either, but where's the NFL on that?

Agreeing with the sort of people who think women who stay with abusive men deserve what happens to them because they have "free will"

"Deserve" isn't really a word I'm comfortable with. I think all sorts of terrible things happen to great people and lots of shit heels get to go through life never getting what they have coming to them. So "deserve"....meh.

But adults in this country DO have free will. Animals and children, not so much. So I choose to save my sympathies for the innocent and those who have zero control over their horrible situations. I have sympathies for first time abuse victims. I have sympathy for women who are abused, get out, then are stalked and harmed additionally by their abuser. This chick? Nope. Not now anyway. 

By marrying the guy instead of leaving him, yup, she's giving consent in some form or another that his treatment of her is acceptable. She might not like it, but she's willing to stick around. There are things each of us are all willing to accept. She wasn't married to him when he beat her unconscious. But she is now. So draw your own conclusions.

But beyond who I feel bad for or who I don't and why - I'm furious that the NFL as an organization allows animal abusers to flourish while thinking they made a big contribution to basic human decency by stripping Ray Rice of his ability to play and that it amounts to a goddamn thing. Had they not accepted Michael Vick back I'd be the first to applaud their stance on Ray Rice's terrible behavior. Instead I'll be boycotting football altogether until the NFL's priorities are similar to mine. Since actions speak louder than words, I'll probably be boycotting awhile. 

You disgust me.  Absolute fucking disgust.

I guess I missed the part where he got her down the aisle by gun point?

holyguacamole79

MrsEverhart, I urge you to read @ashley8918‌'s post. There is a lot more to domestic abuse than you realize. Please educate yourself.

JCbride2015

sarahbear31 said:

MrsEverhart, I urge you to read @ashley8918‌'s post. There is a lot more to domestic abuse than you realize. Please educate yourself.

@sarahbear31 is better at containing her rage and profanity than I think I would be if I tried to respond to you right now.  What she said.

mrs4everhart

chibiyui said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

chibiyui said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

sarahbear31 said:

STBMrsEverhart said:

Frankly I don't care if he was fired or not. The NFL has such screwed up priorities. Michael Vick tortured and killed animals, he's got a job. Ray Rice's fiancee married the guy a month later. If she's obviously okay with his behavior, why should the NFL be so upset? Ain't sayyin' she a gold digger.........

If you can keep your job with an organization after torturing innocent animals (and sure, "paying your debt to society") maybe Ray should go to jail for a while and get his job back? Least then there will be gold for her to dig. As it is now she sold her dignity for a guy with no job. I'm curious to see just how long it'll take her to "come to her senses" <side eye>.

Now I'm definitely convinced that you're a troll.  

I know several women who have been in physically abusive relationships.  There is a painful psychological aspect to it.  Nobody is saying that she is "okay" with his behavior.  

Right or wrong, Professional athletes are role models in our society.  Men who abuse women have absolutely no place being in that type of role.  

And that, right there ladies and gentleman, is what is wrong with our society in a nutshell. Men who abuse animals shouldn't be looked up to either, but where's the NFL on that?

Agreeing with the sort of people who think women who stay with abusive men deserve what happens to them because they have "free will"

"Deserve" isn't really a word I'm comfortable with. I think all sorts of terrible things happen to great people and lots of shit heels get to go through life never getting what they have coming to them. So "deserve"....meh.

But adults in this country DO have free will. Animals and children, not so much. So I choose to save my sympathies for the innocent and those who have zero control over their horrible situations. I have sympathies for first time abuse victims. I have sympathy for women who are abused, get out, then are stalked and harmed additionally by their abuser. This chick? Nope. Not now anyway. 

By marrying the guy instead of leaving him, yup, she's giving consent in some form or another that his treatment of her is acceptable. She might not like it, but she's willing to stick around. There are things each of us are all willing to accept. She wasn't married to him when he beat her unconscious. But she is now. So draw your own conclusions.

But beyond who I feel bad for or who I don't and why - I'm furious that the NFL as an organization allows animal abusers to flourish while thinking they made a big contribution to basic human decency by stripping Ray Rice of his ability to play and that it amounts to a goddamn thing. Had they not accepted Michael Vick back I'd be the first to applaud their stance on Ray Rice's terrible behavior. Instead I'll be boycotting football altogether until the NFL's priorities are similar to mine. Since actions speak louder than words, I'll probably be boycotting awhile. 

I hope you're a troll. Because you are legitimately, not a good person. 

To those that matter, I'm apparently a really great person. And this is hardly the only place I've been involved in this type of conversation today. Thankfully most of our F&F's agree with me. Many are boycotting as well for the same reasons.