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not attending my brother's wedding and am unsure how to feel!

Hi all, I never post to these boards but I am in such a dilemma and do not know where else to turn. I am recently married (7 months) and next week is my older brothers' wedding. I have always been incredibly close to my brother, and I thought my future sister-in-law and I had a great relationship, but things are different now. I will attempt to make a long story short:

My brother and his fiancee' have been engaged for a year and a half and have not always been the most considerate to family when planning their wedding. A few months ago my brother informed our mother that he decided to not have a rabbi co-officiate their wedding, despite months of lying to her that they were looking for a rabbi. When I asked my brother and sister-in-law how they came to this decision, my brother said he didn't realize it would be a big deal and my sister in law stated that she "got lazy" and "didn't want to spend the money". Originally they had a rabbi, but the rabbi wouldn't co-officiate and so that was it for them. They found a deacon and basically said, screw it, no rabbi. My mom was incredibly hurt by this decision and the fact that my brother had been lying for over 7 months that he was searching for a rabbi, when he admitted that he did not. She said some things out of anger that are very regrettable. I do not agree with what she said, but I understand how angry she must have been to say it. Ultimately, a week later my mother and brother met with myself and my father and they both cried, apologized, and hugged it out. My brother told her he had no idea how important to her it was, and that he would tell his fiancee that they should consider finding a rabbi again. I did research for them and found three in one hour. However, my future sister in law was now so angry with my mother's comments that she refused to get a rabbi, purely out of spite and she admitted that to me. After another few weeks she decided that she would get a rabbi, but that my mother is not allowed in photos at the wedding and that if she comes within 20 feet of the bride she will be physically escorted out by the bride's brothers and uncles. My mom was incredibly upset, to say the least. Next, my sister in law's mother sent my mother an incredibly long and anti-semitic email. My mother did not respond hoping things would calm down. My father (who never said a bad word in all of this) called my future sister in law to say that he loves her and wants to try to discuss things and be a loving family again. She never returned his calls. The final straw came last week when my sister in law invited me to the rehearsal dinner. Unfortunately she is still holding a grudge against my mother and I was told that she would not be invited to the rehearsal, although my mother is still expected to pay for the party she is not invited too. I felt that this was too much and I finally said that I would not be able to attend the rehearsal dinner because I was disappointed in her decision, but that I would still be at the wedding. She then kicked me out of the bridal party and said I could no longer be a bridesmaid, which is her decision. I asked my brother if he wanted me to stand up for him on his side, since I have ALWAYS supported him, and he said he wants me up there but does not want to upset his fiancee, who by this point threatened me with the same physical violence as my mother, and also kicked me out of photos. I have tried to be neutral in all of this, but I don't think I can keep allowing her and my brother to hurt my mother, who has always been supportive of them. My sister in laws' ability to hold a grudge is incredible. Any way, I wanted a decision from my brother that I did not get, and he asked me to make it for him because he did not know what to do. I told him that I didn't want to make his day more hostile, and that I would not attend because it would be too upsetting for his fiancee. He thanked me. The wedding is in a week and we have not spoken since this last falling out two weeks ago. I doubt he will contact me. I am just not sure how I am supposed to feel. Yes, his wedding day is about him and he can make whatever decisions he wants, but why make such hurtful decisions? I have never seen him so afraid to stand up to someone, and his fiancee has already threatened to divorce him if she is upset on her wedding day. Is it just me, or is she nuts?!
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    She's nuts. Hopefully your brother will come to realize that and dodge a bullet, but if he doesn't then that's very sad.
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    Thanks Jen. It wasnt even like my mother ever said a word to her, she wasnt even present when my mom and brother fought. At first I thought it was touching that she was angry on my brothers behalf, but her inability to move past it made it more difficult.
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    She's definitely nuts, no arguing that.

    But I do think your mom was out of line to get upset about them not having a rabbi; that's none of her business and it should have been their decision.

    Either way, your sister in law's reactions are way out of line.

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    AddieCakeAddieCake member
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    edited January 2015
    Yeah, she's BSC. I would go to the wedding but probably not stay for the reception. You sound close enough with your brother that you will patch things up, and even if you despise your SIL forever, you might regret not being there for your brother.
    What did you think would happen if you walked up to a group of internet strangers and told them to get shoehorned by their lady doc?~StageManager14
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    I agree with you about my mom shouldn't have said anything, I think it was the lying that really angered her. Although, my parents are paying for the wedding and even though that does not mean they get any say, it would've been nice if they were even thanked for anything. It sucks because I think my brother wants me there, but he's also relieved because he knows it would upset his fiancée. My entire side of the family changed there rsvp to not attending because there has been so much violence threatened.
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    loren817 said:

    I agree with you about my mom shouldn't have said anything, I think it was the lying that really angered her. Although, my parents are paying for the wedding and even though that does not mean they get any say, it would've been nice if they were even thanked for anything. It sucks because I think my brother wants me there, but he's also relieved because he knows it would upset his fiancée. My entire side of the family changed there rsvp to not attending because there has been so much violence threatened.

    So your brother is totally cool marrying a woman that has threatened to physically harm your/his family? Wow. Thats mind boggling. I'd have a hard time attending that or ever wanting to be a part of their family while she's around and nobody has apologized for their actions.

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    When she texted me threatening me I told my brother and he said he didn't agree with her, but it was a fight between us just to get him to tell her it wasnt ok. Her response was that I upset her but no apologies. You're right, it's crazy. I feel like he is stuck in an impossible position, but I can't keep trying to help him. I appreciate all the support and feedback. I feel like this is the craziest thing I have ever experienced!
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    Yikes, I think there's a reason this is the craziest thing you've ever experienced. Sounds pretty...wow. Yikes.

    I'm sorry it's worked out this way. Glad to hear your whole family is being supportive, though. I can't imagine attending a wedding that my family has been removed/uninvited from. And the fact that your parents are still paying for the rehearsal dinner?? Good for them, I guess. But I sure wouldn't.
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    Yea, and I still paid for the rabbi because my brother and his fiancée are hard up and I didn't want her to be more upset with him for now having to pay for the rabbi, so I offered to do that for him and stuck by it. My parents paid for everything they said they would, because they feel that is the right thing to do, but decided not to give them the 20k as a wedding present, on top of paying for the wedding. I feel like my brother and his fiancée are cutting ties with the WRONG people LOL
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    rcher920 said:

    Yikes, I think there's a reason this is the craziest thing you've ever experienced. Sounds pretty...wow. Yikes.


    I'm sorry it's worked out this way. Glad to hear your whole family is being supportive, though. I can't imagine attending a wedding that my family has been removed/uninvited from. And the fact that your parents are still paying for the rehearsal dinner?? Good for them, I guess. But I sure wouldn't.
    I would stop all the payments I possibly could. It sounds like they're giving a chunk of change for this wedding. And they're not even allowed to go.

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    They are technically "allowed" to go, but we are clearly not wanted. As my brothers fiancée puts it "(we) are simply invited guests and nothing more". Just another plate to pay for...
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    loren817 said:

    They are technically "allowed" to go, but we are clearly not wanted. As my brothers fiancée puts it "(we) are simply invited guests and nothing more". Just another plate to pay for...

    To the wedding that is, not the rehearsal dinner. My mom decided not to pay for that since plans have not been formalized, but is paying for everything else that plans have already been made and money is owed.
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    mikenbergermikenberger member
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    loren817 said:

    They are technically "allowed" to go, but we are clearly not wanted. As my brothers fiancée puts it "(we) are simply invited guests and nothing more". Just another plate to pay for...

    Your brother needs to get involved. He can't put his head in the sand on this. What your mother should/shouldnt have said is water under the bridge. But what your FSIL has said and how she behaves towards your family is absolutely ridiculous. I can't imagine going to my brothers wedding and not being able to celebrate with him. Especially in pictures.

    ETA: should your brother choose to essentially ignore his future wife's actions, that tells you the type of relationship he wants with his family: whatever relationship his wife will allow him to have. Which is none.

    I wish you guys all the best.

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    I agree with you about my mom shouldn't have said anything, I think it was the lying that really angered her. Although, my parents are paying for the wedding and even though that does not mean they get any say, it would've been nice if they were even thanked for anything. It sucks because I think my brother wants me there, but he's also relieved because he knows it would upset his fiancée. My entire side of the family changed there rsvp to not attending because there has been so much violence threatened.
    So your brother is totally cool marrying a woman that has threatened to physically harm your/his family? Wow. Thats mind boggling. I'd have a hard time attending that or ever wanting to be a part of their family while she's around and nobody has apologized for their actions.
    In addition to this, as a Jew, I would never be comfortable marrying into a family that uses anti-Semitic language. And you said your FSIL's mom sent your mom a really nasty email with a bunch of that kind of language? Fuck. That.
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    edited June 2015
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    She literally said that if her child wants to get married by a neo-nazi that my mom should support it because she should put her child's happiness first, just as an example...
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    edited June 2015
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    One of the things that sucks the most is that my family and myself were SOOO happy when he found her. We absolutely loved her and thought they were perfect for each other, we just obviously never saw this side to her before now.
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    I gotta be honest, my FI doesn't adore my sister (MOH) and makes that pretty clear behind her back (she's similar, although more passive aggressive and snarky about it), but neither of them would EVER put me in a position publicly like this. They're adults.

    The more I think about your FSIL, the angrier I get. And why is her extended family getting involved in a private argument that your brother had with his mother? What the actual fuck?
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    I'm really sorry you're going through this. This woman sounds like a crazy bitch. But it sounds like you and your parents have been taking the high road and have handled all of this nastiness with as much grace as possible. I admire the fact that you've kept your cool and just want to support your brother despite how badly you've been treated.

    pinkrevenge is spot on. Your brother is an adult and it's up to him to put his foot down and tell this woman her behavior is completely unacceptable, but unfortunately he hasn't done that. And unfortunately there's nothing you or your parents can really do about it. I would advise that you try to keep things cordial with crazy bitch, but also keep your distance. She sounds really toxic and so does her anti-Semitic family. Gross.
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    You all have been so supportive, I really appreciate it. I really didn't know what to expect when posting, but I thought I would get a lot of "suck it up, it's his day not yours" etc, but it makes me feel a lot better that most people are in agreement. I am sure a part of me will regret not being there, but I can't see myself going because it will likely lead to a nasty scene, and not one that I would provoke!
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    novella1186novella1186 member
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    loren817 said:
    You all have been so supportive, I really appreciate it. I really didn't know what to expect when posting, but I thought I would get a lot of "suck it up, it's his day not yours" etc, but it makes me feel a lot better that most people are in agreement. I am sure a part of me will regret not being there, but I can't see myself going because it will likely lead to a nasty scene, and not one that I would provoke!
    The problem with people like your FSIL, though, is that she'll find reasons to get mad no matter what you do (based on how she sounds from your posts). So if you don't go, she may decide to get mad that you "didn't bother to show up." Who knows. My point is that you shouldn't base all of your choices or actions on appeasing her because there may be no way to appease her anyway, and she'll just continue to be a bitch. Do what's best for YOU and for your family. That's what matters. Bitches don't matter.
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    The decision to not go isn't for her, it's to make things easier for my brother because our presence at the wedding would likely lead to a brawl started by her family. I don't care what she thinks of me anymore, I tried my best with her and have spoken my peace to her. I just miss my brother.
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    Oh, and did I mention that when my fsil kicked me out of the bridal party, she posted it to Facebook. Then her mother responded "happy dance!!! Now you have 150 pounds less of ugly fat standing up there with you". She's a grown woman with children, and this is how she acts. Apparently being immature and hostile is hereditary.
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    loren817 said:
    Oh, and did I mention that when my fsil kicked me out of the bridal party, she posted it to Facebook. Then her mother responded "happy dance!!! Now you have 150 pounds less of ugly fat standing up there with you". She's a grown woman with children, and this is how she acts. Apparently being immature and hostile is hereditary.
    OMFG. That's so fucking out of line and ridiculous. WHY IS YOUR BROTHER MARRYING THIS GIRL?!!! Ugh. If my FI's family acted that hateful towards anyone in my family, I would peace out so fucking fast. These people sound psychotic.
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    loren817 said:
    Oh, and did I mention that when my fsil kicked me out of the bridal party, she posted it to Facebook. Then her mother responded "happy dance!!! Now you have 150 pounds less of ugly fat standing up there with you". She's a grown woman with children, and this is how she acts. Apparently being immature and hostile is hereditary.
    What?! I am so sorry you have to experience all this. :( I hope your brother backs out before it's too late. 
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    loren817 said:

    Oh, and did I mention that when my fsil kicked me out of the bridal party, she posted it to Facebook. Then her mother responded "happy dance!!! Now you have 150 pounds less of ugly fat standing up there with you". She's a grown woman with children, and this is how she acts. Apparently being immature and hostile is hereditary.

    Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Sadly, your brother just doesn't see it. One day it'll hit him like a ton of bricks. And he'll probably see what an amazing and awful mistake he made. Especially when he has no photos of his family at his own wedding.

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    This is a whole lot of drama. Huge. 
    And yep, your sister in law sounds like a piece of work. I'm not saying any of her behavior is acceptable.

    But in the interest of fairness, I have to point out a few things that bothered me. You're very very specific about the terrible things your FSIL said, but the things Mom said, which ignited this shitstorm, are kind of glossed over. 

    She said some things out of anger that are very regrettable. I do not agree with what she said, but I understand how angry she must have been to say it. 

    I'm guessing that these must have been some pretty damned regrettable and heinous things indeed. Like, huge. And yes, your family got together for a big weeping apology scene....but was sister in law included in the détente? Nope. Whatever was said, she's still furious about it.  And sure, your brother said he'd talk to her about considering a rabbi again...but they had already made a decision.  And that's their discussion to have and their decision to make. (It sounds like he's good at saying whatever he needs to say to smooth ruffled feathers, and then going on his way, confrontation avoided.)

    And honestly, if at that point you,  as a future sister in law got on the phone and contacted 3 officiants of your choosing for her wedding, without asking her permission or consulting her.... truth? I would be livid. Not just a little angry. Livid.  Seeing red. I might say some regrettable things. You seriously overstepped, there. Absolutely out of line. Him saying he'll talk to her about it doesn't mean you get on the phone and hire someone. Did I read up there that you went ahead and paid for a rabbi? Did the couple specifically ask you to do this, and I missed that part?

    There's never any excuse for threats of violence or anti semitic (or anti anybody's religion ) behavior. Ever, no matter how angry someone is. Her mother should be deeply ashamed. 
    But I really have to wonder, in the interest of fairness, what this story would be, told from your brother and future sister in law's point of view.  Possibly not as cut and dry good us/ evil them, as this perspective. 

    Maybe we'd hear him say something like: She said some things out of anger that are very regrettable. I do not agree with what she said, but I understand how angry she must have been to say it. 


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    loren817 said:
    Oh, and did I mention that when my fsil kicked me out of the bridal party, she posted it to Facebook. Then her mother responded "happy dance!!! Now you have 150 pounds less of ugly fat standing up there with you". She's a grown woman with children, and this is how she acts. Apparently being immature and hostile is hereditary.
    Okay, that's gross and out of line and horrible. Fuck them. I retract everything I said about "in the interest of fairness."  You aren't required to be fair to horrible people. 
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