Josh Duggar

ashley8918

Dear Duggars,

redoryx

princessleia22 said: redoryx said: princessleia22 said: redoryx said: monkeysip said:I didn't read the whole thread, but does anyone know how they handle these cases for a 14 year old?  Like, what would've happened to him had his parents turn him in to proper authorities (and not just a family friend?)  Jail time at all?  Some kind of mental help?
Either way, its despicable.  I'm a christian and believe in chastity, but they took those beliefs WAY too far.  When you teach a child things like that hugging will lead to lust, you're basically giving them a very distorted view of sexuality.  
My heart hurts for those poor girls.  And not JUST because of the molestation.  That's bad enough!  But because they seem to be raised in an environment where men control their whole life.  

This article talks a little bit about it http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-01-07/child-sex-abuse/52431616/1 though it's not specific to Arkansas. Obviously prosecutors and the Family Court system have a lot of leeway-he could have gone to juvenile detention and be put on the sex offender registry, or he could have been sentenced to mandatory counseling/community service. He would however definitely have to be separated from his victims which is seriously the biggest and most important thing and I can't believe he had access to a whole plethora of potential victims agggghhhhh.
The article says that 85-95% of minor-aged offenders are never again arrested for sexual crimes. Of course that may just mean they learn to not get caught. It also mentions that the majority of minor offenders are between 12-14. 

Agreed.  Even if he's too young for any "punishment" he needed to be separated from any potential victims, and not just at a labor camp whatever the heck it was for a little bit of time.

It was helping a family friend who was remodeling a building. No treatment, no counseling, probably not even much manual labor. 

Knowing what I've heard about these people, I wouldn't doubt if the "labor camp" thing was 3 months of physical abuse and brainwashing... all to bring him back to God. 


No, no. I'm serious about the helping a family friend who was remodeling a house. It's in the police report. 


They may have said that's what he was doing.  And I wouldn't doubt there was some manual labor helping to remodel a house, but I doubt that was all that went on while he was away.  There was probably some more stuff going on to help set him straight during that time... to pray and beat the devil out of him. *WHY DO THE BOXES HATE ME*

Eh, I dunno. The interesting thing is, Jim Bob told the cops Josh did go to a treatment facility and get counseling. It was only when they questioned Michelle that she said no, there was no counseling, they just shipped him off to this friend in Little Rock. I feel like maybe they really did just send him there to get him out of the house for three months. 

SepiaTone

lyndausvi said:

Do not forget praying?    There was a lot of praying, because praying fixes everything.

Oh yes, pray that your brother will stop preying on you. I can't understand how the family can quote scripture and not have issue with this. There's a whole chunk in the Old Testament - Leviticus, I think, that's where all the "Thou shall nots" are - about not being sexually involved with your siblings or parents, or even step relatives or relatives by marriage. Yet this was allowed to go on? Really, did these folks even read the Bible?

lyndausvi

http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269

Interesting read.   

sophhabobopha

Those poor women. I hope somehow they are able to get help. That family makes me fucking sick.

SepiaTone

lyndausvi said:

http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269

Interesting read.   

That is terrifying. From the article
When Josh returned home in July 2003,
his father and church elders took him to a state trooper to confess
what he’d done. The trooper, Cpl. Hutchins, gave Josh a “very stern
talk” but did not charge him with any crimes. InTouch reports that Hutchins was later arrested on child pornography charges and is currently serving 56 years in prison

Is this sort of thing just endemic? I mean, the church elders just happened to pick the pedophile state trooper? Give me a break. There's probably some other sleezy, back-room crap going on there, too.

VulgarGirl

redoryx said:

*WHY DO THE BOXES HATE ME*

Eh, I dunno. The interesting thing is, Jim Bob told the cops Josh did go to a treatment facility and get counseling. It was only when they questioned Michelle that she said no, there was no counseling, they just shipped him off to this friend in Little Rock. I feel like maybe they really did just send him there to get him out of the house for three months. 

I wonder what JimBob is doing about the fact that Michelle contridicted him. No I don't wonder. Every lifetime movie ever will show you exactly will happen to Mrs. Duggar for speaking out of turn. And it's rather terrifying.

banana468

lyndausvi said:

redoryx said:

luckya23 said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Fuck you boxes!!!

hellosweetie1015 said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Didn't I read that the trooper is now in jail for his own sexual assault charges??

hellosweetie1015 said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

I refuse to believe that's cooincidental. 

banana468

I hate the boxes.

If you can't read the above, it says that I believe the trooper that Jim Bob spoke with is now serving a sentence due to sexual assault charges.

I refuse to believe that's just a cooincidence. 

SepiaTone

banana468 said:

I hate the boxes.

If you can't read the above, it says that I believe the trooper that Jim Bob spoke with is now serving a sentence due to sexual assault charges.

I refuse to believe that's just a cooincidence. 

If the elders were involved, he may have been the "go-to" police officer for "youthful indiscretions" and like things.

lyndausvi

They went to him because he was a "friend".

I'm sure he was friend.  

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LabLove86

pinkrevenge said:

teddygirl9 said:

Okay, so weird question about them - do they have a choice in 'courting' if it doesn't work out? Like, can they actually say 'Yeah, thats not gonna work dad. Onto the next one'?

Supposedly the eldest daughter has a reputation for being "picky" because she has turned down a few suitors.

As she should be. Good for her for not settling just because its whats expected.

Unless its because she hasn't gotten the counseling she needs in order to trust people again . . . 

lyndausvi

LabLove86 said:

pinkrevenge said:

teddygirl9 said:

Okay, so weird question about them - do they have a choice in 'courting' if it doesn't work out? Like, can they actually say 'Yeah, thats not gonna work dad. Onto the next one'?

Supposedly the eldest daughter has a reputation for being "picky" because she has turned down a few suitors.

As she should be. Good for her for not settling just because its whats expected.

Unless its because she hasn't gotten the counseling she needs in order to trust people again . . . 

I'm thinking it's not getting the right counseling, not trusting men and more importantly protecting the  younger girls.  Clearly she can't trust her own parents to protect them.

LabLove86

Unfortunately @lyndausvi - I think you're right. 

ohannabelle

"....Jim Bob and Michelle told police that when Josh was accused of molesting his sisters, a family friend wrote down the accusations in a letter that was then placed in a book in the Duggars’ home. Sometime during 2006, the Duggars loaned the book to another person and the letter was discovered."

This is some poorly constructed fiction.

What? Why would a family friend write this down? And why would Jim Bob and Michelle take a document like that, which they know could blow their creepy ass world apart, and just stick it in a book? None of that makes sense. 

I would like to know the truth of that document, and how it got out.

I have always despised these people. The oppression of their girls, the dangerous ignorance they foist on their children, their smug, hypocritical attitudes, their distortion and corruption of Christianity, their family cult mentality, their homophobia, their misogyny....I just can't say how deeply I despise them.  It just sickened me to see them profiting from their spiritual abuse and disgusting "morality." Fuck them. I just can't understand how people liked them, and thought they were "cute," or whatever. 

If they're such good damned Christians, they should have noted Ecclesiastes 12:14. For God shall bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing..... Because that's what we heathens call karma, assheads.

I hope Jim Bob is crapping his drawers. That creepy bastard. 

lyndausvi

ohannabelle said:

"....Jim Bob and Michelle told police that when Josh was accused of molesting his sisters, a family friend wrote down the accusations in a letter that was then placed in a book in the Duggars’ home. Sometime during 2006, the Duggars loaned the book to another person and the letter was discovered."

This is some poorly constructed fiction.

What? Why would a family friend write this down? And why would Jim Bob and Michelle take a document like that, which they know could blow their creepy ass world apart, and just stick it in a book? None of that makes sense. 

I would like to know the truth of that document, and how it got out.

I have always despised these people. The oppression of their girls, the dangerous ignorance they foist on their children, their smug, hypocritical attitudes, their distortion and corruption of Christianity, their family cult mentality, their homophobia, their misogyny....I just can't say how deeply I despise them.  It just sickened me to see them profiting from their spiritual abuse and disgusting "morality." Fuck them. I just can't understand how people liked them, and thought they were "cute," or whatever. 

If they're such good damned Christians, they should have noted Ecclesiastes 12:14. For God shall bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing..... Because that's what we heathens call karma, assheads.

I hope Jim Bob is crapping his drawers. That creepy bastard. 

They didn't start TLC until 2008.  The letter was discovered in 2006 while potentially going on the Oprah show.   

 The abuse started in 2002 and the "punishment" was in 2003.   At the time the letter would have been written  and stuffed in a book they were not, nor could have known they would be has popular as they became.  So yeah, it's totally possible this quacks thought writing down everything was some sort of penance.  

ohannabelle

lyndausvi said:

ohannabelle said:

"....Jim Bob and Michelle told police that when Josh was accused of molesting his sisters, a family friend wrote down the accusations in a letter that was then placed in a book in the Duggars’ home. Sometime during 2006, the Duggars loaned the book to another person and the letter was discovered."

This is some poorly constructed fiction.

What? Why would a family friend write this down? And why would Jim Bob and Michelle take a document like that, which they know could blow their creepy ass world apart, and just stick it in a book? None of that makes sense. 

I would like to know the truth of that document, and how it got out.

I have always despised these people. The oppression of their girls, the dangerous ignorance they foist on their children, their smug, hypocritical attitudes, their distortion and corruption of Christianity, their family cult mentality, their homophobia, their misogyny....I just can't say how deeply I despise them.  It just sickened me to see them profiting from their spiritual abuse and disgusting "morality." Fuck them. I just can't understand how people liked them, and thought they were "cute," or whatever. 

If they're such good damned Christians, they should have noted Ecclesiastes 12:14. For God shall bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing..... Because that's what we heathens call karma, assheads.

I hope Jim Bob is crapping his drawers. That creepy bastard. 

They didn't start TLC until 2008.  The letter was discovered in 2006 while potentially going on the Oprah show.   

 The abuse started in 2002 and the "punishment" was in 2003.   At the time the letter would have been written  and stuffed in a book they were not, nor could have known they would be has popular as they became.  So yeah, it's totally possible this quacks thought writing down everything was some sort of penance.  

That could be. I was reading about the "quiverfull" techniques of dealing with sexual issues in children (shaming, anger, physical punishment, isolation of the sinner, etc. and one of the recommendations was a sort of "trial" in front of family and friends. So who knows what these fucking whackadoos were doing. 

lyndausvi

ohannabelle said:

lyndausvi said:

ohannabelle said:

"....Jim Bob and Michelle told police that when Josh was accused of molesting his sisters, a family friend wrote down the accusations in a letter that was then placed in a book in the Duggars’ home. Sometime during 2006, the Duggars loaned the book to another person and the letter was discovered."

This is some poorly constructed fiction.

What? Why would a family friend write this down? And why would Jim Bob and Michelle take a document like that, which they know could blow their creepy ass world apart, and just stick it in a book? None of that makes sense. 

I would like to know the truth of that document, and how it got out.

I have always despised these people. The oppression of their girls, the dangerous ignorance they foist on their children, their smug, hypocritical attitudes, their distortion and corruption of Christianity, their family cult mentality, their homophobia, their misogyny....I just can't say how deeply I despise them.  It just sickened me to see them profiting from their spiritual abuse and disgusting "morality." Fuck them. I just can't understand how people liked them, and thought they were "cute," or whatever. 

If they're such good damned Christians, they should have noted Ecclesiastes 12:14. For God shall bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing..... Because that's what we heathens call karma, assheads.

I hope Jim Bob is crapping his drawers. That creepy bastard. 

They didn't start TLC until 2008.  The letter was discovered in 2006 while potentially going on the Oprah show.   

 The abuse started in 2002 and the "punishment" was in 2003.   At the time the letter would have been written  and stuffed in a book they were not, nor could have known they would be has popular as they became.  So yeah, it's totally possible these quacks thought writing down everything was some sort of penance.  

That could be. I was reading about the "quiverfull" techniques of dealing with sexual issues in children (shaming, anger, physical punishment, isolation of the sinner, etc. and one of the recommendations was a sort of "trial" in front of family and friends. So who knows what these fucking whackadoos were doing. 

yeah, they are totally fucked up on what is the appropriate way to handle this kind of stuff.

 It would not surprise me at all if they though writing everything down would  be some sort of penance for them.

hellohkb

Now that I'm winding down for the night and am the only one awake in my house, I'm going to look through Free Jinger. Their website is showing up wonky for me, but I'm not sure if that's how it always looks or if it's my computer.

lyndausvi

hellohkb said:

Now that I'm winding down for the night and am the only one awake in my house, I'm going to look through Free Jinger. Their website is showing up wonky for me, but I'm not sure if that's how it always looks or if it's my computer.

They have been hit hard since the story broke.  So I wouldn't be surprised if it looked wonky to you.   It crashed a few times on me there other night.

themosthappy91

UGH the Duggars are so creepy!

Okay I have to say something though- and don't get me wrong, I think what Josh did was deeply disturbing and their should be consequences for it- but does anyone else feel like he is probably a victim too?

For one thing, I think that honestly growing up in an environment that is as fucked up about sex as the Duggar household is would probably cause a lot of people to have weird and inappropriate sexual impulses. They create a culture around sex that is just fundamentally unhealthy, and when your only option to find out ANYTHING about the anatomy of the opposite sex is to touch your sisters, maybe that's what you do.

Secondly, aren't there statistics that show that by and large people who molest others have been molested themselves? I don't want to slander anyone here but I can't say I'd be surprised if someone in the family or church had actually molested Josh. 

wandajune6

themosthappy91 said:

UGH the Duggars are so creepy!

Okay I have to say something though- and don't get me wrong, I think what Josh did was deeply disturbing and their should be consequences for it- but does anyone else feel like he is probably a victim too?

For one thing, I think that honestly growing up in an environment that is as fucked up about sex as the Duggar household is would probably cause a lot of people to have weird and inappropriate sexual impulses. They create a culture around sex that is just fundamentally unhealthy, and when your only option to find out ANYTHING about the anatomy of the opposite sex is to touch your sisters, maybe that's what you do.

Secondly, aren't there statistics that show that by and large people who molest others have been molested themselves? I don't want to slander anyone here but I can't say I'd be surprised if someone in the family or church had actually molested Josh. 

I believe he's a victim too. There is no question that what he did was wrong. I also have no questioned that it was handled badly as well.

I'm not sure what he was a victim of exactly. Perhaps he was molested. Perhaps he's just the product of a severely fucked up upbringing. I don't know which. But I know that any environment where there is no sex ed and a kid molests his sisters and other girls is clearly an environment that messes with a kid's head.

LabLove86

wandajune6 said:

themosthappy91 said:

UGH the Duggars are so creepy!

Okay I have to say something though- and don't get me wrong, I think what Josh did was deeply disturbing and their should be consequences for it- but does anyone else feel like he is probably a victim too?

For one thing, I think that honestly growing up in an environment that is as fucked up about sex as the Duggar household is would probably cause a lot of people to have weird and inappropriate sexual impulses. They create a culture around sex that is just fundamentally unhealthy, and when your only option to find out ANYTHING about the anatomy of the opposite sex is to touch your sisters, maybe that's what you do.

Secondly, aren't there statistics that show that by and large people who molest others have been molested themselves? I don't want to slander anyone here but I can't say I'd be surprised if someone in the family or church had actually molested Josh. 

I believe he's a victim too. There is no question that what he did was wrong. I also have no questioned that it was handled badly as well.

I'm not sure what he was a victim of exactly. Perhaps he was molested. Perhaps he's just the product of a severely fucked up upbringing. I don't know which. But I know that any environment where there is no sex ed and a kid molests his sisters and other girls is clearly an environment that messes with a kid's head.

I mean - I was pretty much gonna say everything you just did so . . . . . 

lyndausvi

wandajune6 said:

themosthappy91 said:

UGH the Duggars are so creepy!

Okay I have to say something though- and don't get me wrong, I think what Josh did was deeply disturbing and their should be consequences for it- but does anyone else feel like he is probably a victim too?

For one thing, I think that honestly growing up in an environment that is as fucked up about sex as the Duggar household is would probably cause a lot of people to have weird and inappropriate sexual impulses. They create a culture around sex that is just fundamentally unhealthy, and when your only option to find out ANYTHING about the anatomy of the opposite sex is to touch your sisters, maybe that's what you do.

Secondly, aren't there statistics that show that by and large people who molest others have been molested themselves? I don't want to slander anyone here but I can't say I'd be surprised if someone in the family or church had actually molested Josh. 

I believe he's a victim too. There is no question that what he did was wrong. I also have no questioned that it was handled badly as well.

I'm not sure what he was a victim of exactly. Perhaps he was molested. Perhaps he's just the product of a severely fucked up upbringing. I don't know which. But I know that any environment where there is no sex ed and a kid molests his sisters and other girls is clearly an environment that messes with a kid's head.

If you watch the show have you every noticed JB and Michelle basically dry-humping around the kids all the time?  

Their lifestyle just breeds this kind-of situation.  The kids are completely isolated from others.   Homeschooling is not bad.  Homeschooling and then isolating their kids from spending time with anyone else is wrong IMO.  They are not even allowed to go to the grocery store by themselves.  They always have to have an accountability partner with them.  NEVER.  Even those who work have to have one of their siblings around to keep them in check.   

They are taught even thinking of sex is wrong, it creates baggage.  Yeah, no.  I'm pretty sure being molested by their brother is going to create more baggage then a gir/boy-crush they are not allowed to have.

Heffalump

No surprise that Mike Huckabee's got Josh's back.  Mike Huckabee is all about forgiveness. 

Unless you're gay.  Or poor.  Or black.  Or female.  Or you want contraception.  Or you couldn't get contraception so you had an abortion.  Or you believe in evolution.  Or you needed healthcare and your employer didn't provide it so you signed up for Obamacare.  Then you can burn in hell for all eternity.

But molesting your sisters is cool if you're sorry.  (Or sorry you got caught, anyway.)   

mikenberger

Omggggggg

My cousin keeps posting "Bring back the Duggars!" and sharing links on Facebook about petitioning to get them back on the air. "I'll be boycotting TLC if they don't bring back the Duggars! This is BS!"

So far, I've managed to not call her a fucking idiot, but I'm getting dangerously close.

banana468

I got into a discussion with someone on a different forum who believes that Josh Duggar should be compared with husbands who look at porn or go to strip clubs.

I wanted to shake her. 

lyndausvi

banana468 said:

I got into a discussion with someone on a different forum who believes that Josh Duggar should be compared with husbands who look at porn or go to strip clubs.

I wanted to shake her. 

Pretty sure this how I look right now

banana468

lyndausvi said:

banana468 said:

I got into a discussion with someone on a different forum who believes that Josh Duggar should be compared with husbands who look at porn or go to strip clubs.

I wanted to shake her. 

Pretty sure this how I look right now

Yeah.   It was a Catholic group and I she kept spouting off on how there's an issue with human trafficking.   I'll agree to that with prostitution - especially when it isn't legal but done by a pimp.   But she continued to go on and on and on about how actions between two adults are comparable to something done to a person still old enough to believe in Santa.   

Really.   If my husband is looking at a set of boobs at a bachelor party that should be compared to a guy who is groping his underage sisters while they sleep.