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This baggage needs to be unpacked to a therapist, not Prudie.

Dear Prudence,

Straight cis woman here. I’ve been married to my husband for almost three years, and we’ve been together for eight. Over the weekend, he passed out drunk in our bed with his phone in his hand, open to an anonymous messaging app. He was on some trans- and gay-themed chat rooms under a fake name, where people were scheduling hookups and sending dick pics. He had also received some messages from guys, to which he didn’t appear to have responded. I confronted him about this, and he says that he’s bisexual. He says he’s long had feelings about men but hasn’t ever acted on them or told anyone before me. He says he downloaded the app a few months ago and views it as a form of pornography, that he wanted to just look at the boards anonymously, and that he has no intention to cheat or to be with a man.

We’ve been struggling lately, and his anger and lack of motivation are a factor—I have taken on the “nagging mom/wife” role, which I don’t relish. He says he’s sorry, he will never do this again, he will stop drinking, yada yada. I’m wondering if I can go on living my life with someone who may someday say he’s leaving me for a man (or just cheat on me). He’s 39 and I’m 34, and we were trying to have kids. Is he just repressing being gay? Can he be bisexual and not act on it? I am ashamed that our marriage might not even make it three years, terrified at the thought of figuring out what to do with our house and our lives, and worried I’m missing my shot at a family. When I say there were no clues before this, I mean it. I’m also so broken. What to do?

—What’s Going On

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  • Ro041Ro041 member
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    Maybe take the fact that he is bisexual out of it.  How would you feel if he was on a straight anonymous chat board getting pics from women?  Would you be able to go on living with him?  Can someone be attracted to others (men and women) and not act on it?  Of course.  So that's not really the issue.  The issue is more that he is in an app that is intended to hook people up (as opposed to a an adult video website).  

  • Yup.   Prudie totes has the answer.     

    FFS, get a therapist and encourage your DH to do the same.   Maybe he's bi, maybe he's gay and maybe he's not.   But instead of taking the time to write a letter anonymously maybe you two can look into something together?? 
  • So I think it's one thing when someone realizes they're not straight/cis after they're already married, that's one thing. But this dude KNEW he was bi "for a long time" (presumably longer than the 2+ years they've been married), didn't tell her, and then snuck around on a hook up app. How long was he going to do that? Probably until he got caught. 

    To me that's pretty reprehensible and symptomatic of basic communication, respect, and trust issues critical to a strong relationship.
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  • Whether LW is okay with him being bi or not, and taking out the possibility of cheating {which is another issue} I personally would have the issue of feeling like I was lied to and the sneaking around behind LW's back.

    Agreed .... this should be for therapy, not Prudie :\
  • kvruns said:
    The fact that he's on a hookup app and that part of his apology tour includes stopping drinking and anger makes me think that the bisexual aspect is the least of the concerns. Maybe it is the means to an end - that this situation will give her the courage to really face the other issues in their marriage.  And please don't have kids before all of this other stuff is figured out. 
    Yep.  Also, this makes bad mrsconn want to @ a certain person and be all, "This could be your life and maybe why people are concerned."  I'm sitting on my hands, but so, so tempted.  ;) 
  • HE'S FUCKING DEPRESSED STOP YELLING AT HIM AND GET HIM HELP

    This isn't about sexuality or hookup apps or anything like that. He's depressed. 
    Angry, unmotivated, and drinking too much recently, it's right there in the letter. Get him a fucking doctor and a prescription and some coping skills and THEN work on this specific problem - which might not be a problem if he's coping with his mental health issues. (Honestly, it sounds like acting out for attention, BECAUSE HE'S SICK.) 
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  • baconsmom said:
    HE'S FUCKING DEPRESSED STOP YELLING AT HIM AND GET HIM HELP

    This isn't about sexuality or hookup apps or anything like that. He's depressed. 
    Angry, unmotivated, and drinking too much recently, it's right there in the letter. Get him a fucking doctor and a prescription and some coping skills and THEN work on this specific problem - which might not be a problem if he's coping with his mental health issues. (Honestly, it sounds like acting out for attention, BECAUSE HE'S SICK.) 
    I disagree. It’s okay to be mad at your husband because he’s drinking too much and angry and cheating. He might be depressed but it’s just as possible he’s a jerk. 
  • baconsmom said:
    HE'S FUCKING DEPRESSED STOP YELLING AT HIM AND GET HIM HELP

    This isn't about sexuality or hookup apps or anything like that. He's depressed. 
    Angry, unmotivated, and drinking too much recently, it's right there in the letter. Get him a fucking doctor and a prescription and some coping skills and THEN work on this specific problem - which might not be a problem if he's coping with his mental health issues. (Honestly, it sounds like acting out for attention, BECAUSE HE'S SICK.) 
    I disagree. It’s okay to be mad at your husband because he’s drinking too much and angry and cheating. He might be depressed but it’s just as possible he’s a jerk. 
    It could be both.  But drinking too much and depression clouds all of that. 

    I also think she's a jerk for not taking his sexuality seriously.  Because being all, "Sure, yeah, you say your bisexual...mmmhmm," really makes one feel great about it and not mocked.

    Right now, LW needs to decide what's a deal-breaker.  If she wants to try to work it out with him, then she needs to ask him to take steps with her to work on their marriage.  If he doesn't want to, then she has her answer?  Also, she needs to stop trying to get pregnant until the discord is resolved.   
  • Honestly, why would you ever write to an advice column about this? There are upwards of 5000 red flags in this marriage.

    Does she think Prudie will respond: "Nope, you're good" and the LW will be like: "great, that solves that!"
     



    As a complete aside, is this meme the helicopter pilot actor from Magnum P.I.?

    Because I loved that show and haven't seen it in eons, lol.

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  • mrsconn23 said:
    baconsmom said:
    HE'S FUCKING DEPRESSED STOP YELLING AT HIM AND GET HIM HELP

    This isn't about sexuality or hookup apps or anything like that. He's depressed. 
    Angry, unmotivated, and drinking too much recently, it's right there in the letter. Get him a fucking doctor and a prescription and some coping skills and THEN work on this specific problem - which might not be a problem if he's coping with his mental health issues. (Honestly, it sounds like acting out for attention, BECAUSE HE'S SICK.) 
    I disagree. It’s okay to be mad at your husband because he’s drinking too much and angry and cheating. He might be depressed but it’s just as possible he’s a jerk. 
    It could be both.  But drinking too much and depression clouds all of that. 

    I also think she's a jerk for not taking his sexuality seriously.  Because being all, "Sure, yeah, you say your bisexual...mmmhmm," really makes one feel great about it and not mocked.

    Right now, LW needs to decide what's a deal-breaker.  If she wants to try to work it out with him, then she needs to ask him to take steps with her to work on their marriage.  If he doesn't want to, then she has her answer?  Also, she needs to stop trying to get pregnant until the discord is resolved.   
    Eh, yeah, but also if you want your partner to be respectful of your sexuality, don’t “tell” them by getting caught trying to hook up with people. Yeah I bet she did make him feel bad I’m just not that sympathetic 
  • baconsmom said:
    HE'S FUCKING DEPRESSED STOP YELLING AT HIM AND GET HIM HELP

    This isn't about sexuality or hookup apps or anything like that. He's depressed. 
    Angry, unmotivated, and drinking too much recently, it's right there in the letter. Get him a fucking doctor and a prescription and some coping skills and THEN work on this specific problem - which might not be a problem if he's coping with his mental health issues. (Honestly, it sounds like acting out for attention, BECAUSE HE'S SICK.) 
    I disagree. It’s okay to be mad at your husband because he’s drinking too much and angry and cheating. He might be depressed but it’s just as possible he’s a jerk. 
    this is pretty much where I am. Maybe he is depressed but it doesn't mean she can make him get help for it either so just the fact that these are signs of depression doesn't mean she can't still be pissed about it. I think we'd need more background on that aspect. 
  • mrsconn23 said:
    baconsmom said:
    HE'S FUCKING DEPRESSED STOP YELLING AT HIM AND GET HIM HELP

    This isn't about sexuality or hookup apps or anything like that. He's depressed. 
    Angry, unmotivated, and drinking too much recently, it's right there in the letter. Get him a fucking doctor and a prescription and some coping skills and THEN work on this specific problem - which might not be a problem if he's coping with his mental health issues. (Honestly, it sounds like acting out for attention, BECAUSE HE'S SICK.) 
    I disagree. It’s okay to be mad at your husband because he’s drinking too much and angry and cheating. He might be depressed but it’s just as possible he’s a jerk. 
    It could be both.  But drinking too much and depression clouds all of that. 

    I also think she's a jerk for not taking his sexuality seriously.  Because being all, "Sure, yeah, you say your bisexual...mmmhmm," really makes one feel great about it and not mocked.

    Right now, LW needs to decide what's a deal-breaker.  If she wants to try to work it out with him, then she needs to ask him to take steps with her to work on their marriage.  If he doesn't want to, then she has her answer?  Also, she needs to stop trying to get pregnant until the discord is resolved.   
    Eh, yeah, but also if you want your partner to be respectful of your sexuality, don’t “tell” them by getting caught trying to hook up with people. Yeah I bet she did make him feel bad I’m just not that sympathetic 
    Yeah, this reminds me a bit of Kevin Spacey's coming out.  Duuude - you're accused of sexual assault but OK sure just glaze over the assualt accusations and talk about how you're now OK to be gay to the rest of the world.

    It can very well be that he's suffering from some kind of depression.   He probably does need therapy for a variety of reasons.

    That hardly makes his behavior excusable.   And I have to imagine that the wife is having a hard time processing all aspects because his sexuality isn't presented as a sole issue in their relationship but it's wrapped up in many issues where he's also been an extremely disrespectful husband. 
  • this woman's opinion of bisexual people (that they're just secretly gay or will cheat) might have something to do with why her husband didn't feel comfortable coming out to her.
  • this woman's opinion of bisexual people (that they're just secretly gay or will cheat) might have something to do with why her husband didn't feel comfortable coming out to her.
    He hasn't come out to anyone in his whole life so I doubt it.
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  • this woman's opinion of bisexual people (that they're just secretly gay or will cheat) might have something to do with why her husband didn't feel comfortable coming out to her.
    He hasn't come out to anyone in his whole life so I doubt it.
    Right, because she caught him cheating on her and wants to know if he's going to do it again.

    But of course the troll comes out.
  • Wasn't excusing his behaviour, just noting for the people insisting that he had an obligation to disclose his sexual orientation to her before they got together that her biphobia might have something to do with why he didn't.

    I'm not sure what it is about this forum but there is a greater than average number of straight people who think they have useful opinions on gay people's lives. it's so bizarre.
  • eileenrob said:
    Wasn't excusing his behaviour, just noting for the people insisting that he had an obligation to disclose his sexual orientation to her before they got together that her biphobia might have something to do with why he didn't.

    I'm not sure what it is about this forum but there is a greater than average number of straight people who think they have useful opinions on gay people's lives. it's so bizarre.
    It’s bizarre to me that you’ve annointed yourself the authority on all things LGBTQ.  You’re not the only homosexual person that we know or even on here.  Other lgbtq members have taken the time to explain experiences and terms while you’re akways on a witch hunt.  Your experience and viewpoints are your own, it’s close-minded to speak for an entire group.  I haven’t made myself the czar of NYC weddings, or Irish/Italian lifestyle, or interracial marriage. My experiences are just my own.  A lot of us have cherished family members who are a part of the lgbtq community, it’s a group we do support.  

    In this particular scenario LW’s husband was dishonest and on a hookup site.  I feel bad for both of them but you can’t say LW wasn’t a victim.
    Also, what's bizarre about a bunch of married people talking about what it takes to make relationships work?    
  • I haven't made myself the lgbtq authority on anything and I welcome discussions with other gay people about our issues.

    I would certainly consider myself more of an authority than the myriad of straight people who can't seem to keep their mouths shut about what the homosexuals are doing these days though.
  • eileenrob said:
    Wasn't excusing his behaviour, just noting for the people insisting that he had an obligation to disclose his sexual orientation to her before they got together that her biphobia might have something to do with why he didn't.

    I'm not sure what it is about this forum but there is a greater than average number of straight people who think they have useful opinions on gay people's lives. it's so bizarre.
    It’s bizarre to me that you’ve annointed yourself the authority on all things LGBTQ.  You’re not the only homosexual person that we know or even on here.  Other lgbtq members have taken the time to explain experiences and terms while you’re akways on a witch hunt.  Your experience and viewpoints are your own, it’s close-minded to speak for an entire group.  I haven’t made myself the czar of NYC weddings, or Irish/Italian lifestyle, or interracial marriage. My experiences are just my own.  A lot of us have cherished family members who are a part of the lgbtq community, it’s a group we do support.  

    In this particular scenario LW’s husband was dishonest and on a hookup site.  I feel bad for both of them but you can’t say LW wasn’t a victim.
    "you can't call me homophobic! I have gay friends!"
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    in other words "how dare you straight people try to understand unless you fall into line with my cookie cutter thinking!"?
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    eileenrob said:
    Wasn't excusing his behaviour, just noting for the people insisting that he had an obligation to disclose his sexual orientation to her before they got together that her biphobia might have something to do with why he didn't.

    I'm not sure what it is about this forum but there is a greater than average number of straight people who think they have useful opinions on gay people's lives. it's so bizarre.
    It’s bizarre to me that you’ve annointed yourself the authority on all things LGBTQ.  You’re not the only homosexual person that we know or even on here.  Other lgbtq members have taken the time to explain experiences and terms while you’re akways on a witch hunt.  Your experience and viewpoints are your own, it’s close-minded to speak for an entire group.  I haven’t made myself the czar of NYC weddings, or Irish/Italian lifestyle, or interracial marriage. My experiences are just my own.  A lot of us have cherished family members who are a part of the lgbtq community, it’s a group we do support.  

    In this particular scenario LW’s husband was dishonest and on a hookup site.  I feel bad for both of them but you can’t say LW wasn’t a victim.
    "you can't call me homophobic! I have gay friends!"
    It’s actually gay family (my brother, an uncle, and a cousin) who’ve shaped my compassion and support of the LGBTQ community.  I have gay friends but they came later in life, starting in high school.  
    My post wasn’t a discussion on whether or not I’m homophobic but that no one should decide that their particular experiences are the rule.  I’m a mother but every last idea I have on motherhood isn’t the be all end all.
  • MesmrEweMesmrEwe member
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    So if the LW's husband had just looked at gay porn and not signed up for any of the photo exchange, hookup sites etc, I would agree with Knottienumbers that there is this old bias against bi people that one sex will never be enough. 

    But the LW's husband didn't do that. There are plenty of gay porn sites that don't have hookup and exchange dickpic features. He signed up for a website that enabled him to cheat on his wife. It is the same as the Ashley Madison scandal. Most people understand people look at porn, but signing up to extra features that enable hookups, even if they are not acted on, will rock your relationship core. It is a massive breach of trust. And I think the crux of the issue here is about trust rather than the bisexual part. 

    I think the LW is wrong to automatically assume that he is going to leave her for a man because he is bi. But I think it is more likely she is scared that he is going to leave her full stop (for a man or woman). 

    Its a betrayal of trust that is the issue. 

    This..

    "Better to be the dumper than the dumpee" ... "It's not you - it's me!  Even though really - it is fully you dude!"...  LW may be looking for her "out" because of the fear that he's already doing this and she wants to prepare (Be the first to strike so to speak with the divorce papers)
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