**knock, knock** Is it Thursday in here?

Casadena

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

kerbohl

short+sassy said:

@kerbohl, I'm so sorry to hear that.  I've heard that sometimes a break can help a marriage.  But if he's the one who thinks it will help, then he's the one who should leave.  Unless there is a good reason he should be the one to stay, it's outrageous he expects you to go.  I hope your two rabbits feel better soon.  Why did half the training class quit?  Like quit their jobs or just the class?  That sounds nuts!  And feel free to ignore my questions if they are too personal/identifying, lol.

The caseworker for my S8 tenant who is moving in today still didn't send us the HAP contract (sigh).

Rant:

I had another tenant send me a text message last night that they can't pay their rent until the 12th (eyeroll).  It's especially concerning because they just moved in a few months ago.   I'm pretty easygoing about someone being a few days late, but the 12th is almost halfway through the month!  And there are THREE adults living there!  Combined, they make about 4x the monthly rent, so the rent should very comfortably fit in their budget.  But not even a partial payment.  NOTHING.  Very concerning.

At any rate, I thanked her for letting me know what was going on.  But also gave her a heads up that we'd be putting a Pay or Quit notice in their mailbox, but I would make sure it was dated through at least the 12th.  Which is my nice way of saying, "If you don't pay by the 12th (Friday), I'm filing for an eviction on the 15th (Monday)."  Technically, they will have until Sunday, 8/14.  I certainly don't think it will come to that.  But they've obviously made paying rent a low priority, so I definitely foresee future problems.  Not happy about that at all, but I can't go back in time and choose different tenants, so I'll hope for the best and that they don't become a recurring problem.

It just gets frustrating. When vetting tenants, I do everything right!  I directly call employers for job/income verifications.  The combined household needs to make at least 3x the monthly rent or close to it.  I call their current or previous landlady and also check property records to make sure I'm speaking to the right person.  I conduct background checks with TransUnion SmartMove.  That service picks up nationwide court-ordered evictions and a prior eviction is a rejection.

While I have definitely dodged some (probably) terrible tenants and liars with those steps, I still get stuck with situations like this.  Sometimes much worse.

They switched to my department and then just up and decided that they didn't want to live in their city anymore.  So they quit the job completely.  I don't have the heart to read their comments about why they quit right now.

Sorry about your tenants, that must be super frustrating.

banana468

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

Casadena

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

kerbohl

@CharmedPam He has been depressed lately, so I had an inkling.  He has suddenly discovered some mental issues that he has been repressing, and instead of working on them he is working at making our marriage "perfect" but he is making us both absolutely miserable instead.  So this is his new solution.  I'm all out of ideas for how to help him.

short+sassy

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

Another downfall of most professional sports careers is that they are for a very limited time and brutal on the body.

But at least professional male sports players are more likely to make enough money during their career to fall back on.  And, if they take another job at all, can retire early when their body starts breaking down on them.

Female players making $70K-$250K (not sure what the full scale range is) will need a second career.  Maybe some of them will get good coaching jobs.  But some of them will also need to start fresh in the workforce.  Except 10-15 years behind when everyone else in their class graduated from college.

banana468

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

I don't think it's all that ridiculous when you consider the shorter career span and the demands that are placed on an athlete.  I suppose you can say that it's ridiculous to get into any career as a professional athlete because you're likely going to be paid more than an essential worker and one with a degree.  I'll grant you that. 

But IMO the point that was made is the clear disparity between how men and women are paid for doing the same thing and she is arguably more skilled than men.  When a playing career is going to be shorter players are going to find ways to increase income because unlike the rest of us not all are going to go into the same careers that are as lucrative as they are older.  

You're making a point as if women doing the SAME JOB as men should be absolutely fine to make a fraction of what they do because it's a good salary compared to a totally different career.  

I make more than a McDonald's worker but that doesn't mean that I think I'm not due for a raise. 

charlotte989875

kerbohl said:

@CharmedPam He has been depressed lately, so I had an inkling.  He has suddenly discovered some mental issues that he has been repressing, and instead of working on them he is working at making our marriage "perfect" but he is making us both absolutely miserable instead.  So this is his new solution.  I'm all out of ideas for how to help him.

I’m so sorry. I know you know this, but it’s not on you to fix him. I’m sorry that you’re going to have to deal with the effects of him not being able to work his own issues. 

Casadena

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

I don't think it's all that ridiculous when you consider the shorter career span and the demands that are placed on an athlete.  I suppose you can say that it's ridiculous to get into any career as a professional athlete because you're likely going to be paid more than an essential worker and one with a degree.  I'll grant you that. 

But IMO the point that was made is the clear disparity between how men and women are paid for doing the same thing and she is arguably more skilled than men.  When a playing career is going to be shorter players are going to find ways to increase income because unlike the rest of us not all are going to go into the same careers that are as lucrative as they are older.  

You're making a point as if women doing the SAME JOB as men should be absolutely fine to make a fraction of what they do because it's a good salary compared to a totally different career.  

I make more than a McDonald's worker but that doesn't mean that I think I'm not due for a raise. 

I think most male professional athletes are grossly overpaid, period. 

The WNBA is half owned by the NBA so there is definitely a way to even out the pay disparity.  I don't claim to know the financial statements of the NBA by any means, but with the male athletes being grossly overpaid, imo, women could and should absolutely make more than they do and there is seemingly room to do it.  But they also dont' have the viewership/attendance/ad revenue that the NBA does so it seems they'd need to be "subsidized" by the NBA.  

None of this is my point.  My point was only that $250k even for a portion of your career is more than enough to live on comfortably regardless of what anyone else makes.  And I think her prison sentence is outrageously unfair.  

ei34

@kerbohl ugh I'm sorry.  With everyone else that if he needs space, he will have to move out.  I can tell you with certainty that no one has to leave if they don't want to, so it shouldn't be you! 
@CharmedPam really sorry about your SIL/family, I've been reading along, praying for you all
@VarunaTT you nailed the walking wounded (that's what I call it) and I'm sorry about all the stress/heartbreak with dad
@banana468 you're a wonderful advocate for your daughter and nailed the WNBA nonsense.  I hate March Madness bc why is there so much hype over teenage boys when no one pays attention to the WBNA year-round. (I mean, I don't follow the WNBA -or NBA- either, basketball wasn't a sport I played, my college and grad school had D3 teams, and the Knicks haven't been good since the 90s so just not my sport).  Hoping Britney gets out soon.

The kids and I officially moved into my parents' house on Tuesday.  Stbxh crossed a hard line.  I told him he had to be out by late August because I don't want to schlep back and forth once the school year starts.  Visited my police precinct to file a report so that I could file a harassment report with family court.  Police said with the variety of what I presented he'll most likely be arrested.  Yikes.  That was not my intent.  He needs to get out and get help, not go to jail.  Especially bc he wouldn't receive a prison sentence (aka just somewhere out of my hair) just leave court super duper pissed off and finally feel justified in playing victim (which he's been doing this whole time anyway but he'd have something tangible for once to tell people).  When the detective returned from typing up the report I said I wasn't going to sign, but I'd tell stbxh where I'd been and that I'd file it if he didn't leave the house.  Detective said I arrived with photos printed and a story to tell and whether or not I signed it's at the supervisor's discretion as to arrest or not, not mine. So just sitting around stressed about what's happening next.  My lawyer said I must have gotten a "tough" detective, and that he's never heard filing a report automatically leads to pressing charges.  So yeah, just stressed about everything.  I know I sound like a broken record but I just wish it was over.  

levioosa

Hi everyone! I’ve been lurking and trying to catch up wherever possible. 

I’m so sorry about your dad @VarunaTT. 

*hugs* @CharmedPam

I’m so sorry you’re going through that @kerbohl. Ditto charlotte, it’s not your place to “fix” him and if he doesn’t want to get the help it’s not on you. And I agree with banana about talking to a lawyer and financial advisor too. 

I started my new job and I quit my other job yesterday. The new job will be okay I think. Very different from what I’m used to. I’m a little terrified of the amount of patients they see in the urgent care but hopefully they won’t throw me in by myself right away. It’s been a little chaotic and I don’t know my schedule yet, which is making my type A personality lose it’s mind. H has applied for some new jobs too, and I’m hoping they pan out. He got one rejection notification (and I know it’s because of the ATS software they use to screen, not because he isn’t actually qualified), and he got pretty discouraged yesterday. I’m hoping it doesn’t upset him too much and he keeps persisting. He’s been working at the same place for ten years now and hasn’t applied anywhere in a decade. The whole job and application process now is crazy and kind of a big change from what he is used to. Otherwise SSDD

banana468

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

I don't think it's all that ridiculous when you consider the shorter career span and the demands that are placed on an athlete.  I suppose you can say that it's ridiculous to get into any career as a professional athlete because you're likely going to be paid more than an essential worker and one with a degree.  I'll grant you that. 

But IMO the point that was made is the clear disparity between how men and women are paid for doing the same thing and she is arguably more skilled than men.  When a playing career is going to be shorter players are going to find ways to increase income because unlike the rest of us not all are going to go into the same careers that are as lucrative as they are older.  

You're making a point as if women doing the SAME JOB as men should be absolutely fine to make a fraction of what they do because it's a good salary compared to a totally different career.  

I make more than a McDonald's worker but that doesn't mean that I think I'm not due for a raise. 

I think most male professional athletes are grossly overpaid, period. 

The WNBA is half owned by the NBA so there is definitely a way to even out the pay disparity.  I don't claim to know the financial statements of the NBA by any means, but with the male athletes being grossly overpaid, imo, women could and should absolutely make more than they do and there is seemingly room to do it.  But they also dont' have the viewership/attendance/ad revenue that the NBA does so it seems they'd need to be "subsidized" by the NBA.  

None of this is my point.  My point was only that $250k even for a portion of your career is more than enough to live on comfortably regardless of what anyone else makes.  And I think her prison sentence is outrageously unfair.  

I think you're missing that $250k/year when your career is short is not sustainable to live on especially if you're going to need to hit the job market finding a new career in your 40s. That's her salary now in the first 10 years of her professional career and it's one of the top ones.  

Some WNBA players have gone on to coach and be on television but those are the outstanding players who were famous.  It's unlikely that you can make $250k/year and retire after two decades without supplementing your income which is what she's doing.  Furthermore, it's unlikely that she'll continue to make that as her contract continues to come up for review.  The top players from 20 years ago are making a fraction of that now. Diana Taurasi is at $119,500 which is less than half of Greiner's.    Unlike other jobs, WNBA salaries appear to start and peak quickly and decrease. The women know this and find ways to support themselves and do it by playing overseas.   

I don't think the math really works the way you think it does if you're looking at long term prospects..


 

charlotte989875

Oh @ei34 I’m so sorry. How are you and the kids doing? I’m so glad you have your parents nearby. I really hope he leaves you alone there. 

mrsconn23

Oh my gosh @ei34.  I'm so sorry it's come to this.  I hope when he actually gets the hell out, you can breathe and have a little peace.  

Casadena

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

I don't think it's all that ridiculous when you consider the shorter career span and the demands that are placed on an athlete.  I suppose you can say that it's ridiculous to get into any career as a professional athlete because you're likely going to be paid more than an essential worker and one with a degree.  I'll grant you that. 

But IMO the point that was made is the clear disparity between how men and women are paid for doing the same thing and she is arguably more skilled than men.  When a playing career is going to be shorter players are going to find ways to increase income because unlike the rest of us not all are going to go into the same careers that are as lucrative as they are older.  

You're making a point as if women doing the SAME JOB as men should be absolutely fine to make a fraction of what they do because it's a good salary compared to a totally different career.  

I make more than a McDonald's worker but that doesn't mean that I think I'm not due for a raise. 

I think most male professional athletes are grossly overpaid, period. 

The WNBA is half owned by the NBA so there is definitely a way to even out the pay disparity.  I don't claim to know the financial statements of the NBA by any means, but with the male athletes being grossly overpaid, imo, women could and should absolutely make more than they do and there is seemingly room to do it.  But they also dont' have the viewership/attendance/ad revenue that the NBA does so it seems they'd need to be "subsidized" by the NBA.  

None of this is my point.  My point was only that $250k even for a portion of your career is more than enough to live on comfortably regardless of what anyone else makes.  And I think her prison sentence is outrageously unfair.  

I think you're missing that $250k/year when your career is short is not sustainable to live on especially if you're going to need to hit the job market finding a new career in your 40s. That's her salary now in the first 10 years of her professional career and it's one of the top ones.  

Some WNBA players have gone on to coach and be on television but those are the outstanding players who were famous.  It's unlikely that you can make $250k/year and retire after two decades without supplementing your income which is what she's doing.  Furthermore, it's unlikely that she'll continue to make that as her contract continues to come up for review.  The top players from 20 years ago are making a fraction of that now. Diana Taurasi is at $119,500 which is less than half of Greiner's.    Unlike other jobs, WNBA salaries appear to start and peak quickly and decrease. The women know this and find ways to support themselves and do it by playing overseas.   

I don't think the math really works the way you think it does if you're looking at long term prospects..


 

I'm not missing anything, I just disagree with the black and white view.  

Casadena

oh my gosh @ei34 I'm so sorry things are becoming even messier for you.  I really hope things get resolved as soon as possible!

kerbohl

@levioosa Glad that you finally started the new job!  I hope it does pan out for you.  Hopefully there is a little less stress now that you are there and not in limbo.

Jen4948

@Casadena Nap.

@kerbohl I'm so sorry. He's really being a tool.

@VarunaTT (((Hugs))) for you and your dad.

mrsconn23

Well it's $250k a year, but there's agents, managers, lawyers, trainers, etc., plus taxes and benefits, that take their cut before the money gets deposited in your account.  So she could be literally taking home half of that $250k.  She's a marquee player in a world-renowned league.  The 'other half' of the same league's marquee players make hundreds of times more than that AND get massive endorsement contracts and shoe lines and and and.  So in that realm, she's getting fucked.  We can argue about how much sportsball players (mostly men) make, but in her industry...it's a bunch of BS.  

mrsconn23

Also, I will not be surprised if this has ruined her ever playing professionally again because of the stress and the longer this goes on, the more she's going to lose all the training and conditioning she does regularly to stay in shape to play.  If she comes home and makes it back to the WNBA as a player, it makes her a damn superhuman.  

ei34

charlotte989875 said:

Oh @ei34 I’m so sorry. How are you and the kids doing? I’m so glad you have your parents nearby. I really hope he leaves you alone there. 

SITB
Thanks, the kids are okay.  If not for the police stuff I'd be feeling good too. They adore my parents and there's plenty of room here and a pool in the yard.  They're still in the house I grew up in so it does feel like home in a way staying somewhere else might not.  Our lives are a half hour away which certainly isn't far...but like yesterday my son had a follow up with the ENT at 9am, then they had counseling and tae kwon do 4:30-6:45pm...today they had a STEAM event at the children's room at our library at 10:30, and we're leaving around 5 for a swim meet at our town pool.  Things that didn't feel like a lot when we were right there.  Just a lot of car time.  But hey, gas prices are going down at least!  Just trying to not change too much in their lives and keep some things they enjoy intact.

banana468

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

I don't think it's all that ridiculous when you consider the shorter career span and the demands that are placed on an athlete.  I suppose you can say that it's ridiculous to get into any career as a professional athlete because you're likely going to be paid more than an essential worker and one with a degree.  I'll grant you that. 

But IMO the point that was made is the clear disparity between how men and women are paid for doing the same thing and she is arguably more skilled than men.  When a playing career is going to be shorter players are going to find ways to increase income because unlike the rest of us not all are going to go into the same careers that are as lucrative as they are older.  

You're making a point as if women doing the SAME JOB as men should be absolutely fine to make a fraction of what they do because it's a good salary compared to a totally different career.  

I make more than a McDonald's worker but that doesn't mean that I think I'm not due for a raise. 

I think most male professional athletes are grossly overpaid, period. 

The WNBA is half owned by the NBA so there is definitely a way to even out the pay disparity.  I don't claim to know the financial statements of the NBA by any means, but with the male athletes being grossly overpaid, imo, women could and should absolutely make more than they do and there is seemingly room to do it.  But they also dont' have the viewership/attendance/ad revenue that the NBA does so it seems they'd need to be "subsidized" by the NBA.  

None of this is my point.  My point was only that $250k even for a portion of your career is more than enough to live on comfortably regardless of what anyone else makes.  And I think her prison sentence is outrageously unfair.  

I think you're missing that $250k/year when your career is short is not sustainable to live on especially if you're going to need to hit the job market finding a new career in your 40s. That's her salary now in the first 10 years of her professional career and it's one of the top ones.  

Some WNBA players have gone on to coach and be on television but those are the outstanding players who were famous.  It's unlikely that you can make $250k/year and retire after two decades without supplementing your income which is what she's doing.  Furthermore, it's unlikely that she'll continue to make that as her contract continues to come up for review.  The top players from 20 years ago are making a fraction of that now. Diana Taurasi is at $119,500 which is less than half of Greiner's.    Unlike other jobs, WNBA salaries appear to start and peak quickly and decrease. The women know this and find ways to support themselves and do it by playing overseas.   

I don't think the math really works the way you think it does if you're looking at long term prospects..


 

I'm not missing anything, I just disagree with the black and white view.  

So how do you propose a professional basketball player support herself when her career is over and it ends when she's making less than $100,000/year?  Suggest that she should have thought about it more before going into that job in the first place?  I guess I'm not understanding what you think someone who retires in her 40s will do that she can live on?  

I think you're also looking at Greiner's salary and those of the biggest names in the business without looking at what the average players make:
Here's a link to what players for the team 20 minutes from me make:
https://www.spotrac.com/wnba/connecticut-sun/cap/

Yes, that's under $20K for one. 
All of those women are making less than the coach of the college team and he's been there for decades. Your view is that women shouldn't feel the need to go overseas for more money because they should be happy to make more than average for a short time and zero for the rest? 

Casadena

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

banana468 said:

Casadena said:

9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

I don't think it's all that ridiculous when you consider the shorter career span and the demands that are placed on an athlete.  I suppose you can say that it's ridiculous to get into any career as a professional athlete because you're likely going to be paid more than an essential worker and one with a degree.  I'll grant you that. 

But IMO the point that was made is the clear disparity between how men and women are paid for doing the same thing and she is arguably more skilled than men.  When a playing career is going to be shorter players are going to find ways to increase income because unlike the rest of us not all are going to go into the same careers that are as lucrative as they are older.  

You're making a point as if women doing the SAME JOB as men should be absolutely fine to make a fraction of what they do because it's a good salary compared to a totally different career.  

I make more than a McDonald's worker but that doesn't mean that I think I'm not due for a raise. 

I think most male professional athletes are grossly overpaid, period. 

The WNBA is half owned by the NBA so there is definitely a way to even out the pay disparity.  I don't claim to know the financial statements of the NBA by any means, but with the male athletes being grossly overpaid, imo, women could and should absolutely make more than they do and there is seemingly room to do it.  But they also dont' have the viewership/attendance/ad revenue that the NBA does so it seems they'd need to be "subsidized" by the NBA.  

None of this is my point.  My point was only that $250k even for a portion of your career is more than enough to live on comfortably regardless of what anyone else makes.  And I think her prison sentence is outrageously unfair.  

I think you're missing that $250k/year when your career is short is not sustainable to live on especially if you're going to need to hit the job market finding a new career in your 40s. That's her salary now in the first 10 years of her professional career and it's one of the top ones.  

Some WNBA players have gone on to coach and be on television but those are the outstanding players who were famous.  It's unlikely that you can make $250k/year and retire after two decades without supplementing your income which is what she's doing.  Furthermore, it's unlikely that she'll continue to make that as her contract continues to come up for review.  The top players from 20 years ago are making a fraction of that now. Diana Taurasi is at $119,500 which is less than half of Greiner's.    Unlike other jobs, WNBA salaries appear to start and peak quickly and decrease. The women know this and find ways to support themselves and do it by playing overseas.   

I don't think the math really works the way you think it does if you're looking at long term prospects..


 

I'm not missing anything, I just disagree with the black and white view.  

So how do you propose a professional basketball player support herself when her career is over and it ends when she's making less than $100,000/year?  Suggest that she should have thought about it more before going into that job in the first place?  I guess I'm not understanding what you think someone who retires in her 40s will do that she can live on?  

I think you're also looking at Greiner's salary and those of the biggest names in the business without looking at what the average players make:
Here's a link to what players for the team 20 minutes from me make:
https://www.spotrac.com/wnba/connecticut-sun/cap/

Yes, that's under $20K for one. 
All of those women are making less than the coach of the college team and he's been there for decades. Your view is that women shouldn't feel the need to go overseas for more money because they should be happy to make more than average for a short time and zero for the rest? 

Nope, you're greatly blowing out of proportion what I meant in my original comment.  I'm only saying that a person, any person, who is making a quarter million dollars a year (less deductions, etc, etc) for a good portion of their career doesn't HAVE TO supplement their income. 

short+sassy

@ei34, I'm sorry to hear you had to leave your home and over what sounds really bad.  It's awful that throughout all this, you haven't been able to force him to leave.  No one should have to live this long with someone they are divorcing.

@levioosa, yay new job!  I'm glad things finally worked out for you and hope you will be happier there.  Good luck to your H.  Hopefully he finds something better soon, also.

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9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

I don't think it's all that ridiculous when you consider the shorter career span and the demands that are placed on an athlete.  I suppose you can say that it's ridiculous to get into any career as a professional athlete because you're likely going to be paid more than an essential worker and one with a degree.  I'll grant you that. 

But IMO the point that was made is the clear disparity between how men and women are paid for doing the same thing and she is arguably more skilled than men.  When a playing career is going to be shorter players are going to find ways to increase income because unlike the rest of us not all are going to go into the same careers that are as lucrative as they are older.  

You're making a point as if women doing the SAME JOB as men should be absolutely fine to make a fraction of what they do because it's a good salary compared to a totally different career.  

I make more than a McDonald's worker but that doesn't mean that I think I'm not due for a raise. 

I think most male professional athletes are grossly overpaid, period. 

The WNBA is half owned by the NBA so there is definitely a way to even out the pay disparity.  I don't claim to know the financial statements of the NBA by any means, but with the male athletes being grossly overpaid, imo, women could and should absolutely make more than they do and there is seemingly room to do it.  But they also dont' have the viewership/attendance/ad revenue that the NBA does so it seems they'd need to be "subsidized" by the NBA.  

None of this is my point.  My point was only that $250k even for a portion of your career is more than enough to live on comfortably regardless of what anyone else makes.  And I think her prison sentence is outrageously unfair.  

I think you're missing that $250k/year when your career is short is not sustainable to live on especially if you're going to need to hit the job market finding a new career in your 40s. That's her salary now in the first 10 years of her professional career and it's one of the top ones.  

Some WNBA players have gone on to coach and be on television but those are the outstanding players who were famous.  It's unlikely that you can make $250k/year and retire after two decades without supplementing your income which is what she's doing.  Furthermore, it's unlikely that she'll continue to make that as her contract continues to come up for review.  The top players from 20 years ago are making a fraction of that now. Diana Taurasi is at $119,500 which is less than half of Greiner's.    Unlike other jobs, WNBA salaries appear to start and peak quickly and decrease. The women know this and find ways to support themselves and do it by playing overseas.   

I don't think the math really works the way you think it does if you're looking at long term prospects..


 

I'm not missing anything, I just disagree with the black and white view.  

So how do you propose a professional basketball player support herself when her career is over and it ends when she's making less than $100,000/year?  Suggest that she should have thought about it more before going into that job in the first place?  I guess I'm not understanding what you think someone who retires in her 40s will do that she can live on?  

I think you're also looking at Greiner's salary and those of the biggest names in the business without looking at what the average players make:
Here's a link to what players for the team 20 minutes from me make:
https://www.spotrac.com/wnba/connecticut-sun/cap/

Yes, that's under $20K for one. 
All of those women are making less than the coach of the college team and he's been there for decades. Your view is that women shouldn't feel the need to go overseas for more money because they should be happy to make more than average for a short time and zero for the rest? 

Nope, you're greatly blowing out of proportion what I meant in my original comment.  I'm only saying that a person, any person, who is making a quarter million dollars a year (less deductions, etc, etc) for a good portion of their career doesn't HAVE TO supplement their income. 

I realize this beats a dead horse but my point is that 
-The salary is not their take home when every other person managing takes a cut as @mrsconn23 pointed out.  
-If you define that pay level as a good portion of their career you need to also acknowledge that there are DECADES they will not have that career when the average player doesn't play after their mid 30s. 

From what I see, WNBA players do not have a defined benefit pension.  They need to pay into their retirement and then withdraw against it.  

If I made $250K this year but I thought I'd be retiring before I was 45 I would be PANICKED.  

banana468

@ei34 I'm so sorry you're going through this and hope there's a swift resolution.  

mrsconn23

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9 years for cannabis is ridiculous, but i'm not at all surprised. 

Also, she makes like 250k a year playing the US - obviously less than NBA players - but not really at the level of she "has to" play overseas to make ends meet.  

Depending on where you live and the expectancy for a career and any expenses that she's expected to have in financing that career, $250,000/year is not getting you far.

She makes less/year than other NBA players make IN A GAME.   Playing for the Phoenix Mercury the average cost of a home there is $439,225 according to Zillow.   Sure she's not in a low income bracket but that really isn't the point of the discussion. 

It was brought up in the discussion and i'm responding, so it might not be the original point, but it's not unreasonable to talk about.  That's almost identical to the average home price in my city as well and the average salary is a lot less than 250k. Totally reasonable that athletes want to supplement their incomes by playing overseas, but I personally think it's ridiculous to describe it as "having to". 

I don't think it's all that ridiculous when you consider the shorter career span and the demands that are placed on an athlete.  I suppose you can say that it's ridiculous to get into any career as a professional athlete because you're likely going to be paid more than an essential worker and one with a degree.  I'll grant you that. 

But IMO the point that was made is the clear disparity between how men and women are paid for doing the same thing and she is arguably more skilled than men.  When a playing career is going to be shorter players are going to find ways to increase income because unlike the rest of us not all are going to go into the same careers that are as lucrative as they are older.  

You're making a point as if women doing the SAME JOB as men should be absolutely fine to make a fraction of what they do because it's a good salary compared to a totally different career.  

I make more than a McDonald's worker but that doesn't mean that I think I'm not due for a raise. 

I think most male professional athletes are grossly overpaid, period. 

The WNBA is half owned by the NBA so there is definitely a way to even out the pay disparity.  I don't claim to know the financial statements of the NBA by any means, but with the male athletes being grossly overpaid, imo, women could and should absolutely make more than they do and there is seemingly room to do it.  But they also dont' have the viewership/attendance/ad revenue that the NBA does so it seems they'd need to be "subsidized" by the NBA.  

None of this is my point.  My point was only that $250k even for a portion of your career is more than enough to live on comfortably regardless of what anyone else makes.  And I think her prison sentence is outrageously unfair.  

I think you're missing that $250k/year when your career is short is not sustainable to live on especially if you're going to need to hit the job market finding a new career in your 40s. That's her salary now in the first 10 years of her professional career and it's one of the top ones.  

Some WNBA players have gone on to coach and be on television but those are the outstanding players who were famous.  It's unlikely that you can make $250k/year and retire after two decades without supplementing your income which is what she's doing.  Furthermore, it's unlikely that she'll continue to make that as her contract continues to come up for review.  The top players from 20 years ago are making a fraction of that now. Diana Taurasi is at $119,500 which is less than half of Greiner's.    Unlike other jobs, WNBA salaries appear to start and peak quickly and decrease. The women know this and find ways to support themselves and do it by playing overseas.   

I don't think the math really works the way you think it does if you're looking at long term prospects..


 

I'm not missing anything, I just disagree with the black and white view.  

So how do you propose a professional basketball player support herself when her career is over and it ends when she's making less than $100,000/year?  Suggest that she should have thought about it more before going into that job in the first place?  I guess I'm not understanding what you think someone who retires in her 40s will do that she can live on?  

I think you're also looking at Greiner's salary and those of the biggest names in the business without looking at what the average players make:
Here's a link to what players for the team 20 minutes from me make:
https://www.spotrac.com/wnba/connecticut-sun/cap/

Yes, that's under $20K for one. 
All of those women are making less than the coach of the college team and he's been there for decades. Your view is that women shouldn't feel the need to go overseas for more money because they should be happy to make more than average for a short time and zero for the rest? 

Nope, you're greatly blowing out of proportion what I meant in my original comment.  I'm only saying that a person, any person, who is making a quarter million dollars a year (less deductions, etc, etc) for a good portion of their career doesn't HAVE TO supplement their income. 

The average person making $250K per year doesn't have to run a small business (which is what having an agent, lawyer, manager, PR flack, assistant, business manager, etc. is) so they can do their job.  Maybe they do have some of those people in their orbit that they pay, but it's not contracted like it is when you are a pro athlete.  These people literally take their cut before you see your money.  So it's quite possible she feels she has to supplement in order for her and her family to eat and keep a roof over their head. 

MobKaz

Griner’s current net worth is estimated to be 5 MILLION dollars.  

levioosa

*hugs* @ei34 I wish this was over for you. All of the hugs and support. 

CharmedPam

@ei34 I’m so sorry it has come to that.  Sounds ugly! I hope he’s out like you want him to be mid August.