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Wedding Woes

You need to stop expecting her to be like you and accept what is.

Dear Prudence,

Our son is getting married this fall. He and his fiancé are mad about each other, as you would hope for your child. Our family is close, sentimental, and demonstrative, and so is hers. We’ve begun a friendship with her parents, with whom we have much in common, in our values and our social personalities. I’ve told them that I am so glad he’ll have them for in-laws, and I mean it. As for our future daughter-in-law, she’s smart and cute and delightful—when she feels like it. As far as we can tell, she contributes nothing to the work of any relationship, with us or with our son. She won’t work, cook, clean, shop, manage the bills; all practical and emotional labor falls to him. My husband and I feel like she avoids any casual contact with us unless forced, and she makes no effort at developing personal bonds with either of us. It feels sort of like we’re the parents at a teenager’s party: We provide the house and the snacks but we’re not on the invite list.

For example, we threw a shower, and I wrapped in a keepsake box of mementos from his childhood; art and trinkets that I have held over the years. It was, for me, a deeply sentimental gift, and I looked forward to giving it. She opened it, made a comment about making her hold on to all this stuff so I didn’t have to anymore, and put it aside. She showed no curiosity at all about the treasures inside. She moved on to other gifts. The shower was lovely, everyone had a good time, and only this morning I allowed myself to acknowledge the hurt and the disappointment. I’ll be seeing them in a couple of hours, and as has happened many, many times through this relationship, I’m preparing myself to put the worry and the hurt aside so that I can be the open, supportive person I want to be for them.

I don’t know how to keep this up for the years to come. I worry for my son, that he’ll carry all of the burdens until he breaks someday, and I don’t know how to keep managing the feeling of being slighted. I want a loving relationship with my daughter-in-law, and I fear that it will always be pretend. I don’t know what to do. Even after hours discussing it with my therapist, I feel like I must be missing some real way I can improve our relationship, at least. Is there anything besides just keeping up the brave face?

—Still Swimming

Re: You need to stop expecting her to be like you and accept what is.

  • You can't force her to be the kind of person YOU want her to be. 

    As for the shower gift, I think it's kind of weird. You gave her a gift of your son's artwork and trinkets? Why would she want that? Why wouldn't you keep that? 

    Also, whatever goes on in their relationship (chores, paying bills, working) is truly none of your business. 
  • I think you also need to address the concerns with your son and just mention to HIM that family heirlooms are HIS HEIRLOOMS.

    IMO, you're pulling an eyerolling MOG position of "my son does all the work" and you need to back off.  If your son is happy then LET IT GO. 
  • Why wouldn’t you give that to him? I likely wouldn’t have shown any real curiosity over a “gift” that would make my husband say “why the hell did she still hold on to this all these years”. 

    Take a step back and try and get to know the actual human your son is marrying instead of trying to find all the ways she isn’t like you. 


  • Agree with you all - this is a super weird shower gift. I would have faked nicer about it in the moment than this girl did but i would have been very wtf to my friends and FI after. I think it's ok that OP doesn't love some of the aspects of their relationship or her personality - that's totally normal. It's NOT at all ok to butt in and try to change their relationship or her personality. Ppl like this is what give MIL's a bad rap. 
  • Stop being so much and let her be. When you go to a shower the advice is pick a registry gift for a reason. Why is it a special gift to her to get a box of old stuff? If she’s not doing enough wifely things that’s a relationship issue for her and your son to deal with and he seems fine with it. This feels sexist as well. 
  • The gift was dumb, IMO.  It had nothing to do with FDIL.  If she really said, "oh you gave this to me because you wanted to get rid of it," then that's kind of rude.  But it also sounds like LW is kind of an asshole to her and has ridic expectations. 

    I want to know how LW *knows* FDIL won't cook, shop, pay bills, etc.  Is it because if she wants them to bring a dish, her son makes it?  Maybe that's how they divide labor. They take care of their own family events. 

    How does she know that she doesn't pay bills? Are you meaning that she doesn't have her 'own' money to pay them?  

    LW is making a ton of assumptions about her FDIL and it's quite off-putting just reading her letter.  I can only imagine what it's like for FDIL.  No wonder she doesn't want to make casual conversation with her FIL's.    

    LW, I am dying to know what your therapist has to say about all your hand-wringing about your son's relationship. 
  • I think I would've found the gift touching, but that's me, not LW's DIL.  And even with that information, I got tired of exMIL shoving her "keepsakes" that were really "stuff I can't throw away" BS. If exH really didn't have any attachments to the stuff, I either gave it to someone who could use it or threw it away.

    Also, I wouldn't have done this at their shower, it's an inappropriate gift for a shower.

    Agree with all of the other stuff.
  • VarunaTT said:
    I think I would've found the gift touching, but that's me, not LW's DIL.  And even with that information, I got tired of exMIL shoving her "keepsakes" that were really "stuff I can't throw away" BS. If exH really didn't have any attachments to the stuff, I either gave it to someone who could use it or threw it away.

    Also, I wouldn't have done this at their shower, it's an inappropriate gift for a shower.

    Agree with all of the other stuff.
    This.  After a while if it looks like the MIL is keeping all the precious things from her perfect child it gets old that you're slowly piecemealed the shrine to him.

    There's a lot of some of the negative issues I have with MIL in this letter so it strikes a chord where I speak up when I know it's a battle well worth it. 
  • Something about this gift and the complaints about the FDIL not cooking, blah blah strike me as apron strings that need to be cut. Sure, maybe these childhood trinkets might have been touching to the son, but as a shower gift to the bride they seem very much to be a reminder that "he was my baby first." Those type of MILs are always the ones to complain that their DILs don't take care of their precious baby sons well enough. 

    LW needs to back way off.  
  • I'm a little more sympathetic to the LW than the general consensus.  I can understand the LW's hurt about the shower gift because she doesn't have the third party perspective we all do, that it was an odd gift.  Especially to give to her DIL at the bridal shower.  To her, these were extremely sentimental items that she feels should go to her son on this momentous time in his life when he is about to start his family.  But she should have given this to her son.  And her DIL was rude to be disparaging about it.

    Does she know about the division of household labor because her son has told her?  Has he complained about it?  I suspect not, or she would have said that.  But if he has, that would be the only time where I could see her gently giving him advice on speaking to his fiance about it.  Overall though, she very much needs to MYOB on this.

    I can also understand her disappointment that the relationship with the DIL isn't closer.  But maybe the DIL just needs more time to feel establish that kind of closeness.  Or maybe the LW's judgy side isn't as hidden as she thinks it is.  There are a lot of reasons the relationship might be a bit "off".

    The LW at least has a lot of positive things to say about both the DIL and her relationship with the son.  She should keep focusing on the pluses instead of how she "wishes" it was.

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    My mom gave me a bunch of my baby/sentimental stuff when I was moving to New Orleans.  She didn't even pretend it was anything else than, "If you want this stuff, take it.  If not, I might get rid of it."  Lol.

    I kept it.  Some of it I got rid of.  But there was some cool things!  Newspapers from the day I was born and 45s* of the most popular pop and country songs on the day I was born.

    *For those of you too young to know what a 45 is, it was a little record with a big hole in the middle.  There was only one song on each side.  Come to think of it, I have still have them.  Even though I haven't owned a record player in years, lol.
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  • @short+sassy if I didn't hear my own MIL blame my SIL for every reason that BIL isn't doing what she asked I'd be inclined to take your side.

    But MIL has had a history of doing things like making comments about how SIL doesn't clean enough and BIL does it all.  SIL is messy and he has to clean up after her.  SIL doesn't get up in the morning and BIL has to do the work of taking the kids to school  BIL doesn't sit down until the work is done and SIL is very much sedentary.  And the placement of family artwork is "wrong" and because of SIL's thoughts on where it should go.

    I'm also sure that there are comments made about us because if I'm hearing about how my SIL is doing it all wrong I'm sure they get an earful.  

    I could write a lot on MIL's behavior and know that it comes from a position of love of her sons, but she does not think about her wording or actions and how they affect others.  And as a result she is kept at arm's length because of how she behaves. 
  • banana468 said:
    I could write a lot on MIL's behavior and know that it comes from a position of love of her sons, but she does not think about her wording or actions and how they affect others. And as a result she is kept at arm's length because of how she behaves. 
    The LW claims she hasn't said anything and has been welcoming.  But that's the part I'm not so sure of.  She obviously disapproves of certain parts of her DIL's personality and people pick up on that, even if nothing has been said.
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