Earn cash as you plan. Get a $20 gift card for every 200 points. Learn more
Military Brides
LetsHikeToday
member
Discussion Friday!
I was thinking we don't really have a lot of life discussions on this board. So let's discuss stuff today. Even if it gets heated. Have any unpopular opinions you'd like to share? How about sharing your thoughts on some debatable topics... Death penalty? Welfare? Teachers salaries based off of state test scores? Another topic you'd like to debate?
This discussion has been closed.
Re: Discussion Friday!
Death penalty? Dudes.. I'm all for the death penalty as a punishment for murder. Petty theft.. no, but if you kill someone.. any innocent unsuspecting person, you took away a life, and you deserve to have yours taken as well. If it were an accident (car accident, or some other accidental way of killing someone though I can't think of another example..) then obviously I don't think you should be put to death, it was an accident. Casey Anthony is probably my only exception.. if she died.. I wouldn't mind so much because I'm fairly certain she's guilty as sin. Hey! does anyone else watch Body of Proof? they had a plot that was a mom aquitted of murdering her son, and she ended up dead.
Welfare? I think that mandatory drug testing should be a condition of welfare (as with unemployment). I see people who use & abuse the system and it quite frankly pisses me off. I see women with 5+ kids, no husband & no job due to "disability", with freshly highlighted hair and manicures (I get my nails done so I know how much it costs). I've had a woman straight up ask me if we provided tampons and when I said "no" she said " Okay, I'll just use the one in my purse" Umm.. seriously?! It's this welfare mentality that because she has a million kids and no man, that the government should support her. The government should have tied her tubes 4 kids ago. Also, the money that they get for "child support" shouldn't be used for mani/pedi day's and new hair cuts! it should be used to SUPPORT YOUR FREAKING CHILDREN. Sorry.. I see this a lot at work & school.
Teachers salaries based off of state test scores? I just don't really think that's fair to the teacher! Some kids don't care, their parents teach them not to care why should we punish the teacher?
Another topic you'd like to debate? Gay Marriage. Everyone should be allowed to get married.. Who exactly is that hurting?
That's all for now.. although, give me some time and I'm sure I can come up with more things that get me riled up!
ETA:Clarity & Spelling
My other possible unpopular opinion is that I judge moms who don't even want to try nursing. I realize some women try and they don't produce enough milk, or they get infections, and it doesn't work. And that's fine, because they tried to give their child the best gift. But to call it "disgusting" or you don't even want to try...I judge you. You are depriving your child of the best thing possible for them. BREAST IS BEST.
Death penalty? Here's the thing...my initial thought it YES, if you purposely take a life, you don't deserve to have one either. But unless more than one person actually saw you commit the murder, I feel uncomfortable. What IF all the evidence pointed to them, but they didn't do it? The thought of sending someone innocent to death freaks me out. Besides, putting someone on death row actually costs tax payers MORE money than keeping them in prison for a life-sentence, because of all the repeals and stuff.
Welfare? I think there are deserving people who need it. I also think a lot of people (aka my sister) abuse it. I think drug testing should be mandatory (FTR my sister does not do drugs that I know of, though she does goes drinking at the bars every weekend). I think there should be regular, unscheduled, home visits. Honestly, my sister's behavior pisses me off so much...while I would never call the cops on her, I wouldn't be upset if she had an unscheduled surprise visit, and they discovered how many dogs she has. Or discover that her child's father, indeed, does live with her and contributes to the household income (my sister only claims her own income, which means she gets more help with welfare).
Teachers salaries based off of state test scores? I don't think that's right. Some students just don't give a crap (I interned at an alternative high school in the 11th/12th grade room...I think maybe 3 of the 20 students made some kind of effort in classes). And those students don't care because their parents don't care. You can't blame the teachers. They only get those students for about 45 minutes a day.
Another topic you'd like to debate? Gay marriage I suppose. Everyone should have the right to marry, and I can't think of one good reason they shouldn't be allowed to marry. Any reason you throw at me, I can probably give you a reasonable argument on why you're wrong and that your reasoning is invalid.
[QUOTE]A lot don't get that stuff anyway. It's heart breaking. I don't believe the kids should be a casualty but I do believe people who want to do drugs instead of get a job shouldn't be catered to. There's a solution out there. Maybe it's not drug testing but, whatever it is, no one has thought of it yet.
Posted by Sammy0709[/QUOTE]
I agree that there definitely needs to be some reform.
[QUOTE]Binx- those are some strong opinions! I'm glad you shared them. I do disagree though. I understand why you have those opinions but I wouldn't want someone to do something to my body that wouldn't have been my choice.. But then that also leads into circumcision and a baby doesn't have a choice but I still don't know how I feel about that.
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
Ya that's why I said it could definately lead to communism, and I know it would never happen. I don't even know what kind of surgery could be completely safe or reversible, or not too invasive. But the thing is Hike, you seem like a good person who would be a fit parent. So you would have no problem passing and having it reversed. I'm just saying that in an ideal world, people would have to pass exams to take on the most important job they will ever have.
[QUOTE]Another one. I agree with the daycare in my mom's high school. People say it enables these girls who are teen parents. They have a lot more girls staying in school because of it. Maybe it is enabling but it's also keeping people in school. When I watch teen mom and see girls struggling to get their GED I think of this.
Posted by Sammy0709[/QUOTE]
Definately agree with you on this. It's not like high schools without a daycare have no teen pregnancy. I think it's awesome that some schools can provide daycare. Those young women deserve to be able to finish school to provide the best life possible for their child.
[QUOTE]Have any unpopular opinions you'd like to share? I think that the amount of illegal immigrants in this country is RIDICULOUS and I don't feel like it's something that we should applaud. I admittedly don't know the solution to this problem, but I think we're in a pretty dire need for one. Death penalty? Dudes.. I'm all for the death penalty as a punishment for murder. Petty theft.. no, but if you kill someone.. any innocent unsuspecting person, you took away a life, and you deserve to have yours taken as well. If it were an accident (car accident, or some other accidental way of killing someone though I can't think of another example..) then obviously I don't think you should be put to death, it was an accident. Casey Anthony is probably my only exception.. if she died.. I wouldn't mind so much because I'm fairly certain she's guilty as sin. Hey! does anyone else watch Body of Proof? they had a plot that was a mom aquitted of murdering her son, and she ended up dead. Welfare? I think that mandatory drug testing should be a condition of welfare (as with unemployment). I see people who use & abuse the system and it quite frankly pisses me off. I see women with 5+ kids, no husband & no job due to "disability", with freshly highlighted hair and manicures (I get my nails done so I know how much it costs). I've had a woman straight up ask me if we provided tampons and when I said "no" she said " Okay, I'll just use the one in my purse" Umm.. seriously?! It's this welfare mentality that because she has a million kids and no man, that the government should support her. The government should have tied her tubes 4 kids ago. Also, the money that they get for "child support" shouldn't be used for mani/pedi day's and new hair cuts! it should be used to SUPPORT YOUR FREAKING CHILDREN. Sorry.. I see this a lot at work & school. Teachers salaries based off of state test scores? I just don't really think that's fair to the teacher! Some kids don't care, their parents teach them not to care why should we punish the teacher? Another topic you'd like to debate? Gay Marriage. Everyone should be allowed to get married.. Who exactly is that hurting? That's all for now.. although, give me some time and I'm sure I can come up with more things that get me riled up! ETA:Clarity & Spelling
Posted by SamiJoeB[/QUOTE]
Basically everything Sami J said I completely agree with.
My exception is Gay Marriage. It's definitely an unpopular belief but I think it was Santoriom (sp) that said it best or maybe it was Romney, I can't remember. But I think they should be allowed to have civil unions - where they can have all the legalities of marriage. BUT I don't like the idea of calling it marriage. My beliefs are baisically what the bible says in regards to marriage - it's between one woman and one man. It truly has nothing to do with 'ruining the sanicty of marriage' as some people say. I do know that my views on this subject have changed recently - but in all honesty - I think they should be allowed to have civil unions that are honored in all 50 states and they should be allowed to adopt children if they can provide a loving caring home for them. I just don't think it should be called marriage.
I also really think that something seriously needs to be done about illegal immigrants. I'm not sure how to fix the issue, I do know we need to desperately secure the border - great way to create jobs, btw. But I don't know what to do about those who are already here illegally. Part of me thinks we need to send them back and have them go through the process - open up more processing centers to expedite the process. But in all honesty I'm not sure how to fix it. What I do know is that since they are here and working - they need to be paying taxes.
[QUOTE]I like that idea Sammy. True story- we had no pregnant girls throughout my years in high school. I'm assuming some were pregnant and got abortions but no one went through a whole pregnancy. Unpopular opinion- I don't care about the personal lives of politicians. Want to have an open marriage? Great, do it. Cheat on your wife? I think that's shitty but it happens. I only care if you put up an "I'm perfect and super religious" and do things like that.
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
I only remember one of my 304 classmates being pregnant.
I agree with your second point Hike. Hypocrites...
[QUOTE]I like that idea Sammy. True story- we had no pregnant girls throughout my years in high school. I'm assuming some were pregnant and got abortions but no one went through a whole pregnancy. Unpopular opinion- <strong>I don't care about the personal lives of politicians. Want to have an open marriage? Great, do it. Cheat on your wife? I think that's shitty but it happens. I only care if you put up an "I'm perfect and super religious" and do things like that.</strong>
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
<div>I just saw this on CNN! I agree with you. As long as a person has the ability to run the country, I am fine with that. </div><div>
</div><div>I don't remember anyone being pregnant, but then again I graduated with a class of 1100. I'm sure some girls did.. </div>
[QUOTE]I stand corrected. Binx has a good solution...the home visits. The problem with that would probably be the funding to pay the people who would do that.
Posted by Sammy0709[/QUOTE]
As far as the kids go - with the unscheduled visits maybe they could create a way to make sure the kids get the new shoes and coats that they need - without giving the money to the parent. Keep track of their food - they should be getting free lunch at school so sadly, they know they are at least getting one good meal a day, and free breakfast if they can get to school early enough. But when they do unexpected visits, or scheduled ones - bring new shoes, and a new winter coat so they know that the child at least as that. I think the less actual money they can give to the childs parents the better - give them food, give them bottled water, give them clothing, shoes etc... the less money the better, because thats less money to go to drugs. I think they shouldn't be allowed to have super fancy tv's and such - that's proving they obviously have the money to spend on the TV but know they are getting money for food from the gov't. If that makes any sense.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : Basically everything Sami J said I completely agree with. My exception is Gay Marriage. It's definitely an unpopular belief but I think it was Santoriom (sp) that said it best or maybe it was Romney, I can't remember. But I think they should be allowed to have civil unions - where they can have all the legalities of marriage. BUT I don't like the idea of calling it marriage. My beliefs are baisically what the bible says in regards to marriage - it's between one woman and one man. It truly has nothing to do with 'ruining the sanicty of marriage' as some people say. I do know that my views on this subject have changed recently - but in all honesty - I think they should be allowed to have civil unions that are honored in all 50 states and they should be allowed to adopt children if they can provide a loving caring home for them. I just don't think it should be called marriage. I also really think that something seriously needs to be done about illegal immigrants. I'm not sure how to fix the issue, I do know we need to desperately secure the border - great way to create jobs, btw. But I don't know what to do about those who are already here illegally. Part of me thinks we need to send them back and have them go through the process - open up more processing centers to expedite the process. But in all honesty I'm not sure how to fix it. What I do know is that since they are here and working - they need to be paying taxes.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
On your opinion on the gay marriage issue, I realize it's your opinion and youre entitled to it, but the thing is, you can't realistically use that opinion IRL. Not everyone is Christian. That's why we have separation of church and state.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : On your opinion on the gay marriage issue, I realize it's your opinion and youre entitled to it, but the thing is, you can't realistically use that opinion IRL. Not everyone is Christian. That's why we have separation of church and state.
Posted by BinxRose[/QUOTE]
I get that. And technically, freedom of religion and freedom of speech only go so far until they start infringing on another persons rights. Which is why it makes this particular topic so up in the air. Some Christians don't like it and feel like it goes against their freedom of religion (not me) and some want it. I definitely don't think Gay Marriage was ever an issue until recently, probably since 2000 I would say. It's a sticky topic. I'm all for having civil unions - like I said - I just don't think it should be called marriage.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : I get that. And technically, freedom of religion and freedom of speech only go so far until they start infringing on another persons rights. Which is why it makes this particular topic so up in the air. Some Christians don't like it and feel like it goes against their freedom of religion (not me) and some want it. I definitely don't think Gay Marriage was ever an issue until recently, probably since 2000 I would say. It's a sticky topic. I'm all for having civil unions - like I said - I just don't think it should be called marriage.
Posted by amh04[/QUOTE]
But I'm married and I don't even know if I believe in God. Should I not be married? Should I only have a civil union?
My point is, regardless of if you believe in God or not and get married, it's still a specific group of people being discriminated against and I can't get behind that. Just because I'm a woman and my husband is a man, we are allowed to be married? Even though one of us might not believe in God?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Discussion Friday! : But I'm married and I don't even know if I believe in God. Should I not be married? Should I only have a civil union? My point is, regardless of if you believe in God or not and get married, it's still a specific group of people being discriminated against and I can't get behind that. Just because I'm a woman and my husband is a man, we are allowed to be married? Even though one of us might not believe in God?
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]
It really doesn't boil down to if a married couple does or doesn't believe in God. Marriage has been between a man and a women for 2000 years +. For me, I believe what the Bible says about marriage. That's just me. I've grown to the fact that it isn't right to say that people who are homosexual's shouldn't have anything where they can share their lives together more seriously. I think they should have civil unions - all the 'perks and legalities' to marriage, I just don't think it should be called marriage. It really is just my opinion on it, and I know in a political debate you can't say 'oh I believe this and be done with it' but that's just how this topic is for me. I think they can love/care for each other all they want, I think they should be allowed to be beneficaries, to raise children, to have insurance with their SO. But I just don't think it should be called marriage.
Planning Bio: Updated January 25
My Blog