vent/advice about honeymoon

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[QUOTE]Trust me, Pike's Peak is not rustic. A hut on an Belizian island with no electricity, rainwater for showers, and no land within a 45 minute boat ride...that's rustic.  
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Since Coco seems to be a bit "anti-western", i'm assuming by "rustic" she's meaning decor and log cabins here...not remote and secluded. maybe i'm wrong? 

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: vent/advice about honeymoon : typically B&Bs are more "rustic". In general, I don't think B&Bs are modern. You can look on <a href="http://www.vrbo.com/" rel='nofollow'>www.vrbo.com/</a> " /> <a href="http://www.vrbo.com/" rel='nofollow'>http://www.vrbo.com/</a>  to find vacation rentals in specific towns you are interested in. Sometimes you can rent a condo or apartment for reasonable prices. As I said earlier, if you are willing to share your budget for the trip/room, some of us on here may be of more help.
Posted by allusive007[/QUOTE]

I don't know exactly what it costs to go on a vacation for 5 days. Is $1000 reasonable? $1500?

calindi

I think a $1500 would be very comfortable if you're not flying.  The $1000 would be a bit tighter, as would the $1500 if you choose to fly somewhere.

desertsun

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: vent/advice about honeymoon : Because she said she "HATE HATE HATE horses and cowboys"?  You take personal offense to that?  And demand an apology?  Are you a horse or a cowboy? I think that's really silly.  Everyone hates something - hot climates, cold climates, urban, rural, West Coast, East Coast, Mid West.  No need to take personal offense.  She also said that she's never been on a vacation (except an organized trip to Greece) and has no idea how to plan one - perhaps be a little less snippy and sensitive, and stop to think what the pressure might be like to plan her honeymoon as her first vacation ever with no experience ever planning a vacation before.  She'd have no reason to know about TripAdvisor.
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</div><div>I don't think I demanded an apology, claimed offense on a personal level, or claimed to be a horse or a cowboy. I believe I already explained my thinking. See below.</div><div>
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[QUOTE] I don't have problem with people not appreciating the history of the region and wanting to stay somewhere modern, and not go to a rodeo or ride a horse. I do however have a problem with no such reasoning or explanation being attached to the OP's opinion, and with the way that opinion was expressed. I maintain that the way the OP expressed herself was inconsiderate and offensive.
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"I don't know exactly what it costs to go on a vacation for 5 days. Is $1000 reasonable? $1500?"

are you flying or driving? I think 5 days for $1500 is reasonable if you don't have to get here with that money. $1500 would give you $300 a day. Say you want to spend 1/2 of that on your place to stay...you're looking for something around $150/night. If you found somewhere that has a continental breakfast, that would also cover 1 meal a day. I think it may be harder to find something thing in the mountains for this price, but not impossible by any means. You definitely could do it in Denver. Plus, most museums and attractions around here are about $20 per ticket or less, so you could afford to see a lot while you were here. 

desertsun

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: vent/advice about honeymoon : 1.  offensive language?  like, your siggy quote?  i find that kind of language very offensive but i don't require an apology from everyone who uses it around me.  that's ridiculous.  if i don't agree with something or if i find something offensive, unless it was directed AT ME i let it go.  the cursing and the inferences that men are happy with BJs and anal  on valentine's day (for example) are offensive to me.  but it's not my problem.  the world doesn't govern itself according to what i find acceptable or not. 2.  when i realized that i personally offended beth, i apologized to her directly.  it was not my intention at all to offend her and i made sure she knew that and that i apologized sufficiently for it.  she reacted the same way i would have if someone had said those things about my city.  you give examples of OTHER things to do from a local's point of view, and then let it go.
Posted by CocoBellaF[/QUOTE]

<div>If you choose not to speak up when something offends you, that's your choice.</div><div>
</div><div>I do not sit back and keep my mouth shut when I think people are behaving inappropriately or saying things in a way that offends others. That's my choice.</div><div>
</div><div>Again, my issue is not that you have a mind of your own. My issue is that you do not give any legitimate reason or explanation for your opinion. I don't think it's out of line to call you on that. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the way you expressed yourself was inconsiderate and rude.</div><div>
</div><div>I do think it's unreasonable of you to fail to consider or address any of my points.</div><div>
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heyimbren

Oceana, where are you going in Vancouver? The aquarium I hope? Have you found a hotel?

desertsun

I mean, really, Cate? You have no issue whatsoever with how Coco worded her opinion? You think there is absolutely no validity to someone taking offense at what was said? REALLY?

I'm clearly a crazy person. Or a goddamn horse. Clearly.

paintgirl

All this talk about cowboys is making me hungry.

ravenray

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[QUOTE] I'm clearly a crazy person. Or a goddamn horse. Clearly.
Posted by desertsun[/QUOTE]
Beings a horse isn't so bad....

desertsun

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: vent/advice about honeymoon : Beings a horse isn't so bad....
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ravenray

OP- http://www.denver.org/what-to-do
There is a whole bunch of different things to do.
Here is another one:
http://www.denver.org/what-to-do
Hope that is helpful.

ravenray

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: vent/advice about honeymoon : Hmmm....yeah...It would be pretty nice to have someone else be responsible for my room, board, and grooming. I could totally handle galloping around with a person on my back a couple hours a day in exchange for that.  :)
Posted by desertsun[/QUOTE]
It's pretty awesome!!  Every couple of weeks I use magic and turn myself into a horse because being human gets boring.  Horses are way smart!  My homework gets done really fast too! ;)  You should try it sometime.

calindi

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[QUOTE]I mean, really, Cate? You have no issue whatsoever with how Coco worded her opinion? You think there is absolutely no validity to someone taking offense at what was said? REALLY? I'm clearly a crazy person. Or a goddamn horse. Clearly.
Posted by desertsun[/QUOTE]

I obviously wasn't saying you were a horse.  It was a joke about how personal you were taking what she said - she had some misconceptions about a place she's never been, and said she doesn't like "cowboys and horses and western themed things", not a personal insult to anyone.  I think you took it a bit far.  You could say you thought she was a bit judgemental on something she obviously didn't have a lot of knowledge on, but you decided to take personal offense.  I think you blew it way out of proportion.

I don't see why you would take offense, no.  I can see Beth being a bit frustrated that someone was judging her city so negatively without knowing much about it, but I don't see why you'd be offended as you don't live in Denver, and aren't a horse or a cowboy.

I do think she was being judgemental towards Denver, and was having a bit of a temper tantrum because nothing else has gone her way in regards to her wedding planning (which she clearly states).  We've all had days when we're not going to be happy with really anything because we're moody, emotional, and pushed past our breaking point.  I'd really hope someone would help me out and not kick me while I'm down if that ever happens to me.  I spent a good part of my day sending her ideas on where to go and what to do in Denver, San Antonio, Santa Fe, and a few others.  She has never planned a trip before, so a little helpful ideas and suggestions would go a lot further than negativity, snippiness, and condescending attitudes.

meamolly

I know that the Hyatt Hotels do not cost too much a night depending on when you go. You may want to check out the Hyatt Place Denver Tec Center. They offer free continental breakfast and all rooms are suites. They are right near the light rail that can take you were you want. There is lots to do and see.

luvdncn90

Ok, I did not read all of the PP's but as someone who lives in Wyoming, which is truly Western ( I ride horses and all that good cowboy stuff) I did not take much offense to what you said. Everyone has their own opinions on what a place is like.

Sometimes to figure out what a place is really like you have to experience it yourself. Google is helpful but it will only give you a feel of it, not the actualy experience of being there in person.

Don't knock it till you try it. Who knows, you could come to good ole Wyoming and I'll show you a grand old time. Us country folk aren't as out of touch with culture and society as most peole seem to think.

desertsun

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: vent/advice about honeymoon : I obviously wasn't saying you were a horse.  It was a joke about how personal you were taking what she said - she had some misconceptions about a place she's never been, and said she doesn't like "cowboys and horses and western themed things", not a personal insult to anyone.  I think you took it a bit far.  You could say you thought she was a bit judgemental on something she obviously didn't have a lot of knowledge on, but you decided to take personal offense.  I think you blew it way out of proportion. I don't see why you would take offense, no.  I can see Beth being a bit frustrated that someone was judging her city so negatively without knowing much about it, but I don't see why you'd be offended as you don't live in Denver, and aren't a horse or a cowboy. I do think she was being judgemental towards Denver, and was having a bit of a temper tantrum because nothing else has gone her way in regards to her wedding planning (which she clearly states).  We've all had days when we're not going to be happy with really anything because we're moody, emotional, and pushed past our breaking point.  I'd really hope someone would help me out and not kick me while I'm down if that ever happens to me.  I spent a good part of my day sending her ideas on where to go and what to do in Denver, San Antonio, Santa Fe, and a few others.  She has never planned a trip before, so a little helpful ideas and suggestions would go a lot further than negativity, snippiness, and condescending attitudes.
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</div><div>I see. </div><div>
</div><div>OP is allowed to use extremely negative language about the west and western things in general. </div><div>
</div><div>But I am not allowed to be blunt or sarcastic in my responses. </div><div>
</div><div>My language matters, but OP's doesn't b/c it wasn't aimed at me specifically and b/c she was having a bad day.</div><div>
</div><div>Yup. That makes total sense. </div><div>
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oceana919

Yes, because hauling out the Merriam-Webster isn't the least bit condescending.

::insert pot and kettle photos here::

Anyways, OP...honestly, it depends on your definition of "rustic". I've worked on fishing boats for a living. To me, anything with running water and electricity and not reeking of chum is modern living. For other people, anything outside of a 2 minute walk to Starbucks is the sticks. A further elaboration of what you're looking for might help.

B&Bs are typically more old-fashioned/historically-based...that's one of their biggest appeals. I've found that I prefer to stay at B&Bs, when I can - you get more personalized service, it tends to be quieter, and (at least for me) there's a more romantic feel to a bedroom overlooking a garden or a pond than a room on the 13th floor of a hotel in the middle of downtown.

One company worth checking out:

http://www.selectregistry.com/Inns.asp?region=3#3-1

I've stayed at two of their inns (Hamilton Turner in Savannah, and John Rutledge House in Charleston) and both of them were absolutely beautiful.

marleylikeair

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looking back i can see that i was probably a little too "enthusiastic" about my dislike for cowboy/western themed activities.  living in Oklahoma i get i feel like i breathe and drink it sometimes.  my family has horses and my dad's wardrobe consists of boots and hats.  he loves to get people to eat lamb fries and then tell them what they are.  he and my brother have cowboy movie marathons.  i get my alterations done at Langston's.  mudding, noodling, and cow tipping really happen around here, and it's not a big deal.  that is not what i want to do for my honeymoon.  i want to go somewhere new and different.  this is our last vacation for a few years.  western is NOT the way i want to go.

i appreciate all the links and sites you all have provided.  it's really helpful.

i'll try to filter my choice of words a little better.

i've talked to my parents about my frustration with it, and they came up with some more suggestions for places we go.  FI and i will have to talk about it sometime this week and see if he likes any of those ideas.  he still wants me to try to plan a hypothetical trip to Denver just to see how much it would cost and what we would do.

so if you have any suggestions for things to do or places to stay that are not western-themed, that would be great.  i am lost at this vacation thing.  i went in 2005 on a trip to Greece with a group.  i showed up at the airport and they had an agenda all set for us.  and in 2007 i stayed with a friend for a few days in South Bend, IN.  we took the metro over to Chicago for 3 hours and it was one of the most fun things i've ever done.

and from my google search, i'm having trouble finding things to do and places to stay in Denver that aren't overly western or expensive.  but if that is really where FI wants to go, then i want to find a way to like it.

my parents suggested Disneyworld.  or Disneyland.  whichever one is in Florida, i don't know.  they said anywhere i could get a package deal that it would be less expensive.  is that true? 

are there any other cities within driving distance of OK that aren't too western but are fun to visit?  i've been to Dallas a few times just to see friends.  i have family in San Antonio and Denver but they haven't been helpful at all in telling me about their cities. 

but really, you act like i insulted someone's mother.  Denver seems western.  I really really dislike western because i get it all the time at home, and i'd like to do something different for my honeymoon.  i have a somewhat-tight budget.  FI would like to go to Denver.  i expressed my distaste for western, maybe a little too enthusiastically.  where did i insult someone personally? 

this got out way out of hand.  partly because i overreacted, and partly because others did too.

thanks for all the links.  i feel so much better about Denver.

cate - i got your email.  i'll write back in a little bit.  i have to go teach my kids.  thank you for all the ideas.  i had no idea how expensive vacations were and it's shocking.  i don't really want to get into the rest of the wedding problems on here.  not the place for it.    thank you!

heyimbren

Okay, Coco, here's the thing:

I'm in total agreement that you should both look forward to your HM. But every single poster here has told you that Denver is not "western" completely, and they've given you all sorts of ideas to stay and do. But you keep insisting that you don't want to go there. It does kind of sound like you aren't willing to give it a chance at all.

How long were you wanting to go away for? Disney World is in Florida, Disneyland is in California. I've been to DW, so I can help you with that. It can get somewhat pricey, but you can do it on a bit of a budget as well. The nice thing is you don't have to do a ton of extra planning. Just pick a park to go to for the day, and make some dinner reservations. To give you an idea, for about $1,300 you could stay at a Disney Value Hotel for 5 nights, have 5 days worth of park tickets and have all your meals included.

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[QUOTE]Okay, Coco, here's the thing: I'm in total agreement that you should both look forward to your HM. <strong>But every single poster here has told you that Denver is not "western" completely, and they've given you all sorts of ideas to stay and do. </strong>But you keep insisting that you don't want to go there. It does kind of sound like you aren't willing to give it a chance at all. How long were you wanting to go away for? Disney World is in Florida, Disneyland is in California. I've been to DW, so I can help you with that. It can get somewhat pricey, but you can do it on a bit of a budget as well. The nice thing is you don't have to do a ton of extra planning. Just pick a park to go to for the day, and make some dinner reservations. To give you an idea, for about $1,300 you could stay at a Disney Value Hotel for 5 nights, have 5 days worth of park tickets and have all your meals included.
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this is correct.  and i thought i said that the links were helpful and made me feel better about it but i must not have been very clear.  sorry.  the links are helpful and i feel better about Denver.  i wouldn't mind another option or two as well.

the info on DW is great, thanks.  i'll have to look for packages.  the $1300 does not include travel, right?

Narwhal

http://tinyurl.com/63qtle5

PaigeMcC

...well that went to hell, didn't it?

Like I said, Canada is the only answer.

heyimbren

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: vent/advice about honeymoon : this is correct.  and i thought i said that the links were helpful and made me feel better about it but i must not have been very clear.  sorry.  the links are helpful and i feel better about Denver.  i wouldn't mind another option or two as well. the info on DW is great, thanks.  i'll have to look for packages.  <strong>the $1300 does not include travel, right</strong>?
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No, it doesn't. Disney is pretty good with having extremely customizable packages, so if you wanted less park passes or no food or anything like that then you can do that as well. Just take a look at their websie sometime. I always have fun there, but then again I'm not sure I'd consider it a budget trip.

saritak

If you're South Park fans, you can go to Casa Bonita (it's in a Denver suburb, Lakewood). Yep, it's a real restaurant just like in the cartoon--cliff divers, Black Bart's cave, the whole kit and caboodle. Not the most romantic and the food is kind of sucky, but it's an experience. And if you're fans of the show, it was fun to see.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s07e11-casa-bonita
Just had to throw that out there. And get my post count off of 666...

PaigeMcC

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[QUOTE]If you're South Park fans, you can go to Casa Bonita (it's in a Denver suburb, Lakewood). Yep, it's a real restaurant just like in the cartoon--cliff divers, Black Bart's cave, the whole kit and caboodle. Not the most romantic and the food is kind of sucky, but it's an experience. And if you're fans of the show, it was fun to see. <a href="http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s07e11-casa-bonita" rel='nofollow'>http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s07e11-casa-bonita</a> Just had to throw that out there. And get my post count off of 666...
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THERE'S A REAL CASA BONITA?!?!?!

*dies*

saritak

Yes, it's crazy. Just like out of South Park, complete with the Mexican flag on your table you raise to get "more sopapillas please" (or anything else you want). My DH thinks all restaurants should have the little flag you raise to get your server's attention. It's super cramped, but it's all there. I totally see why Cartman got rid of Butters so that he could go.

katanne9

I think many posters were irritated because... have you ever even been to Denver? You're painting the whole city to be a deserted saloon when it's the one of the biggest cities (top 25) in the US. That's just silly.

Go to Denver, go somewhere else. Whatever, but relax when people share wisdom with you.



Canada, on the other hand, is a huge snow filled field with toothless hockey players and mounties. *Right Paige? *nudge, nudge*

oceana919

HEY, QUIT KNOCKING CANADIAN HONEYMOONS, AYE! :P

I can't recommend Disney enough...FI and I have annual passes for DW and we go up there with ricky and her DH a few times a year. DW packages are very customizable - it all depends on what quality/tier of accomodations you want, what kind of dining plan you'd like, how much shopping you'll do, how many parks you want to see. You can save money by buying a ticket-only package and staying off campus at another hotel, but the upside to staying on campus is that park-to-park transportation is typically included (ie. no parking fees, and no having to figure out who's DDing after drinking round the world at Epcot).

Another key is timing...if you're looking at a fall honeymoon, Epcot runs an International Food & Wine Fest from October to mid November that is absolutely FANTASTIC.