Michelle Duggar miscarried

Twowarlocks

Which is a little sad, but I wonder if they will see this as the sign from God they've been waiting for to stop having babies.

Your thoughts?

That Gal

I think if it isn't a sign, she should take it as a sign to stop. lol.

tldh

They aren't going to see it as a sign.  I don't know the specifics about her last pregnancy but it apparently was difficult.  The OB/GYNs that my mom worked for hated this woman with a passion because what she is doing is incredibly dangerous to her health and they promote this "quiver" religion as a way of life.  Whenever they have a patient who looks to be going down the same path, there is a serious discussion that takes place with that woman.

tidetravel

Tldh - her last baby was delivered at 24 weeks due to pre-e.

They won't stop until she naturally stops having viable pregnancies or she dies from complications.

LizziebeeUT

This kind of stuff makes me really sad. At this point they can't raise their own children, so the older ones are taking care of the younger ones. Children should not have that kind of job. She is probably going to die young from the impact this is having on her body, tahn there's all these children without a mother.

Queen Jane

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[QUOTE]Well, I for one will pray for the Duggars' loss.  So many people refuse to acknowledge that this is a death, and add to the mother's suffering with well-intentioned but insensitive remarks. The Duggars live debt-free, and are good parents.  The number of their children is their own business. Michelle is grieving right now.  I hope the public gives her time to do that.
Posted by RetreadBride[/QUOTE]

This.

It is not just, as OP put it, "a little sad". It is very sad. The amount of children she already has does not change the amount of devastation she must feel. Give the lady a break.

tldh

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[QUOTE]Tldh - her last baby was delivered at 24 weeks due to pre-e. They won't stop until she naturally stops having viable pregnancies or she dies from complications.
Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

How have you been Tide?  Haven't seen you in  a long time.

Twowarlocks

I don't have any children nor have I ever suffered a miscarriage so I don't know what it's like. For that matter, you don't know the degree of Michelle's sadness either, given that you don't have access to her mind. You, like me, can only guess.

Edit: Quote fail

Queen Jane

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[QUOTE]I don't have any children nor have I ever suffered a miscarriage so I don't know what it's like. For that matter, you don't know the degree of Michelle's sadness either, given that you don't have access to her mind. You, like me, can only guess. Edit: Quote fail
Posted by Twowarlocks[/QUOTE]


I can tell you, losing a child ISN'T easy, and even though I'm not in her mind I think it's reasonably safe to assume she's at the very, VERY least a little sad.

She's due in April, and they were going for a gender scan so I would assume she's almost, if not, halfway along. Given that, along with the little I do know about the Duggar's beliefs, there is a good chance she will have to be induced and actually deliver her dead child. That's not something to take lightly.

mandctaft

I've had one mc and I was only 6 weeks and I was devastated! I agree with Queen Jane that they have to remove the baby somehow and I think that has got to be so much worse.

I necessarily agree with all of the Duggar's beliefs, but I don't care either. I can't imagine what this woman and her family are going through right now. T&P for them.

DeadUtopia

The only thing that makes me a little less sympathetic to her loss is that she was told by her doctors that she would never be able to carry a baby past the second trimester after her last pregnancy. She knew this, but let herself get pregnant again.

I feel absolutely horrible for her, I do. I thought I had miscarried my first child at about 2 months along, but it turned out to just be random bleeding. But those hours between when it happened and when I found out I hadn't actually lost the baby were hell on me. I can't imagine what it's like to lose a baby, but this is something that she was told would most likely happen.

My opinions on her life don't matter, but I do think that she should stop getting pregnant for her own sake as well as the child she tries to carry.

bakerie

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[QUOTE]I think if it isn't a sign, she should take it as a sign to stop. <strong>lol.</strong>
Posted by That Gal[/QUOTE]
Seriously?

Avion22

I'm sure that being in the public eye makes this miscarriage even more painful for them.  At a time where they probably want to retreat into the sanctuary of their family, their business is being splashed all over the news, and people are questioning their parenting ability and motives, and calling them religious kooks.  

I may not share their religious beliefs, but I truly think that the Duggars are good, honest, loving people, who deserve our thoughts and prayers, like anyone else who would suffer such a tragedy.

Cynthia1207

While I don't agree with their way of life either I do think it's sad that she miscarried.  Losing a child in any shape or form is very difficult.  It's something that takes a lot of time for the mind to heal.

AdeleDazeem

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[QUOTE]   I may not share their religious beliefs, but I truly think that the Duggars are good, honest, loving people, who deserve our thoughts and prayers, like anyone else who would suffer such a tragedy.
Posted by Avion22[/QUOTE]

Agreed whole heartedly.

NcsuPsych

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[QUOTE]I'm sure that being in the public eye makes this miscarriage even more painful for them.  At a time where they probably want to retreat into the sanctuary of their family, their business is being splashed all over the news, and people are questioning their parenting ability and motives, and calling them religious kooks.   <strong>I may not share their religious beliefs, but I truly think that the Duggars are good, honest, loving people, who deserve our thoughts and prayers, like anyone else who would suffer such a tragedy.</strong>
Posted by Avion22[/QUOTE]

I'm co-signing the 'agreed' train.

Those who think that this is a 'sign to stop having children' . .that's probably the one of the MOST cruel thing you could say in regards to the Duggar's situation. May you never have to experience something such as a lose of a child.

crash2729

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[QUOTE] She's due in April, and they were going for a gender scan so I would assume she's almost, if not, halfway along. Given that, along with the little I do know about the Duggar's beliefs<strong>, there is a good chance she will have to be induced and actually deliver her dead child. That's not something to take lightly.</strong>
Posted by Queen Jane[/QUOTE]

<div>Exactly I can't even imagine how terrible that is going to be. Not just for Michelle and Jim Bob but the family as a whole.</div><div>
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baystateapple

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[QUOTE]I think if it isn't a sign, she should take it as a sign to stop. lol.
Posted by That Gal[/QUOTE]

You are a piece of work.

Her child died.  It's not funny.  It's not something to "lol" at.  I hope you never go through a miscarriage.  My best friend lost two babies and I thought she was going to go insane, she grieved so hard.  No matter if it's your first baby or your 21st, it is still the death of a child and it is heartbreaking.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

achiduck

I feel terrible for the family and Michelle specifically. I would never wish that kind of pain on anyone no matter how I feel about their choice to have so many children or religious belief.

I do hope, for the sake of their own mental health and that of their other children that they stop getting pregnant. The risks are so high and I would hate to see them keep having to go through that kind of mental anguish.

jjolovich

I do have to give the Duggar kudos for raising there kids on there own with no support from the state. To have that big of a family and being ok in this society is HUGE!!! I do hope they re think about adding to there family, and i dont know much about there religion but from PP it sounds like she will have babies until she physically cant or she dies from complications. We can only wait and see what happens. I have a feeling this MC will be much harder on her though as she will have to deliver the child.

alynne1113

I really feel bad for the family, no family should have to deal with a loss like this, I think they are nice, honest, hardworking people. Although I don't agree with their lifestyle.

[Deleted User]

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[QUOTE]Well, I for one will pray for the Duggars' loss.  So many people refuse to acknowledge that this is a death, and add to the mother's suffering with well-intentioned but insensitive remarks.<strong> The Duggars live debt-free</strong>, and are good parents.  The number of their children is their own business. Michelle is grieving right now.  I hope the public gives her time to do that.
Posted by RetreadBride[/QUOTE]

Wow.  How do they do that?  That's crazy...in a good way.  This is sad, though.  Just thinking about a miscarriage makes me sad.  I can't imagine how it would actually feel.  T&P

crash2729

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Michelle Duggar miscarried : Wow.  How do they do that?  That's crazy...in a good way.  This is sad, though.  Just thinking about a miscarriage makes me sad.  I can't imagine how it would actually feel.  T&P
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</div><div>They have some rental properties (I believe) but they also run a few used car lots.</div>

LizziebeeUT

While I do think laughing at this situation is heartless. I don't think its so much of a reach to say it may be a sign. I am not completely familiar with their religious beliefs, but from what I've heard, they are saying they will have children until God wants them to stop. I don't necessarily share their beliefs, but I can see how someone who does would see a premature baby, and a miscarriage as a sign to stop.

LizziebeeUT

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[QUOTE]<strong>They believe life begins at conception</strong>, birth control is interfering with God's will, and that The Pill prevents a fertilized egg from implanting.  That's not true of all kinds of birth control pills, but unfortunately it's been spread around so much by the anti-choice crowd that lots of Christians honestly believe it. Michelle used BC pills early in her marriage, and blames them for her first miscarriage. She had some problems with her last pregnancy, but no more than a mother at any age could experience.  Plenty of young mothers develop the same issues. My great-grandmother had seventeen children.  Of course there were no pills at all back then....
Posted by RetreadBride[/QUOTE]

I've always wondered about that, maybe one of you could explain this to me? Doesn't the pill prevent conception? How is that bad?

There's a lot of other methods to prevent pregnancy. Like pulling out, or timing your cycle. They're not 100% but its something.

I don't judge them at all, and I understand they're going through some tough things, I just don't think having that many children is healthy for a woman.

scrpio421

I do applaude them in many ways on how they live, debt free with children who are respectful and good. They don't seem to let the fame effect them like it would anyone else. In alot of ways I think they are remarkable. I don't understand why they put her at health at risk though. It's too bad that they can't put her health first and focus on the 19 healthy children they do have.

I have never miscarried and I hope to never feel the grief and pain that Michelle and some of you have. My heart really goes out to you.

LizziebeeUT

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[QUOTE]The pill works by creating a fake pregnancy.  The ovaries stop making eggs.  No egg, no fetus. The exemption is the mini-pill, and RU-486, which DO prevent fertilized eggs from implanting. Think about this:  if Michelle's baby were three years old, and had been hit by a car, would you say, <strong>"well, at least you have nineteen others?"</strong> I doubt it. So it's not a kind thought to have now.
Posted by RetreadBride[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is saying that. I think its mostly a feeling of "why do you feel the need to bring more children into this world when you already have 19?"

LizziebeeUT

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[QUOTE]Would we ask a family with two children why they felt the need to have more, since they already have two? Perhaps because they love children, and love being parents. <strong> So long as they can afford to raise them - and they can - so what?</strong>
Posted by RetreadBride[/QUOTE]

Its not healthy.

Mrs.B6302007

Most BC pills are designed to prevent pregnancy in several ways.  The first step is to prevent ovulation.  Should that prevention fail, the pill also changes the consistency of the cervical mucus to be sticky and thick in order to make it more difficult for the sperm successfully making it past the cervix.  The third "layer" is to make the uterus less hospitable for implantation.  Like Retread said, the mini-pill works differently and would be considered the abortifacient pill for most life at conception believers since its main purpose is to prevent implantation. To many pro-life Christians, the pills have all been clumped together as abortifacients rather than preventatives.

Just as a side, the following is unsolicited advice so don't read if you don't want to   :-)

The pill can really mess up your natural hormone balance because it's controlling your body artificially. If you get migraines while on the pill you can be at higher risk for stroke while on the pill.  THose risk statements are printed on the packages for good reason.  I was on them for 10 years and switching to NFP has been very healthy for me.

kimbo1781

I sincerely hope they stop having kids. What makes me enraged is that there are so many children in this country that need loving homes, why not adopt???

LizziebeeUT

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[QUOTE]Not true. Certainly some women should stop having children, but some women have no problems at all, regardless of their ages. It depends on the individual woman - and it's her decision, regardless. I don't think anyone wants to get into an area where women "have" to be sterilized, or aren't "allowed" to have children because someone else thinks they shouldn't.
Posted by RetreadBride[/QUOTE]

I'm not talking about her age, I'm talking about the fact that she has already had 19 children. It was a lot different 80, 90, 100 years ago because the average lifespan was different.
I believe a pp said that she has been told by doctors that she will never be able to carry another baby to term. I am not saying she deserves to have a miscarriage, nor do I feel any less sympathy for her, but if its true that a doctor has told her that, than she really does need to stop. Her two options are have miscarriage after miscarriage, or die from complications. She needs to be thinking about the welfare of the children she already has.

No on in this thread is saying that women should be sterilized or forced to stop having children, don't even go there.