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    [QUOTE]What does happen if the person has no passport or birth cert. on them?
    Posted by nda_roxybabe[/QUOTE]

    You'd get detained while they checked to see if you really were a citizen.
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    [QUOTE]I'm pretty conservative, so I interpret the law in the sense that if you're in the country illegally, and are caught, you're getting sent back.  <strong>Isn't proving that you're a legal citizen as easy as carrying a driver's license?</strong>  I can understand how people are uncomfortable with what they see as an 'invasion of privacy,' but if the problem with illegal immigrants is as bad as Roxy (and CNN) says it is, then I'll admit I support this.
    Posted by jennylove810[/QUOTE]

    I don't think it's that easy.  I think it's possible to have a driver's license - invalid or not, all the while not actually proving citizenship. 

    I believe that our illegal immigration problem, is a really big problem - but isn't it possible that this bill could lead to racial profiling?  I'm not saying whether or not I support this bill - because at this point I haven't done enough research - but how often will the Canadian illegal get pulled over as opposed to the Mexican illegal? 

    We're not going to solve the immigration problem by focusing on creating an environment built upon fear. 

    I think a possible solution is to make it less profitable for the businesses who hire illegals (from any country).  Fine the businesses who employ illegals.  If there are no jobs, then no incentive to come, right?
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : You'd get detained while they checked to see if you really were a citizen.
    Posted by julezlee[/QUOTE]

    Yeaaa, not the proper answer then. Who carries those papers with them?

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    [QUOTE]I just think the whole need to have proof that you are  US citizen and can be stopped at any time just reminds me of  the old stereotype of the Germans "show me your papers". This may be an extreme comparison to draw, but I can't help it.
    Posted by xoxob[/QUOTE]

    I completely understand how you'd draw that parallel... it really is not too far off.  They stopped people who looked like jews, and asked for their papers because 'they' were ruining the German economy.  I'm not saying america is going to that extreme.. but it needs to be fixed.

    Not sure who asked - but in the bill, if they don't have papers they get thrown in jail (because we can afford that, too, right?)
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : I don't think it's that easy.  I think it's possible to have a driver's license - invalid or not, all the while not actually proving citizenship.  I believe that our illegal immigration problem, is a really big problem - but isn't it possible that this bill could lead to racial profiling?  I'm not saying whether or not I support this bill - because at this point I haven't done enough research - but how often will the Canadian illegal get pulled over as opposed to the Mexican illegal?  We're not going to solve the immigration problem by focusing on creating an environment built upon fear. <strong> I think a possible solution is to make it less profitable for the businesses who hire illegals (from any country).  Fine the businesses who employ illegals.  If there are no jobs, then no incentive to come, right?
    </strong>Posted by bbyckes[/QUOTE]

    I agree with this in theory, however, in practice it's not really fair.  The managers/owners of these companies aren't immigration experts.  They don't get training in detecting fradulent documents.  Fraud docs are easy enough to obtain, and even trained officers like myself have a hard time detecting them, simply based on the fact that there are SO many different IDs out there.  We really can't hold them responsible for employing illegals if they are supplied bad docs in the first place, which should a law like that be passed, every illegal will obtain.
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    I feel like there is a definitly a financial impact but I'm just not sure where the anger comes from.  I might just not have a good perspective on this since I live in Chicago and have always been up north.

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    [QUOTE]I just think the whole need to have proof that you are  US citizen and can be stopped at any time just reminds me of  the old stereotype of the Germans "show me your papers". This may be an extreme comparison to draw, but I can't help it.
    Posted by xoxob[/QUOTE]

    I had a Jewish friend say that exactly.  I don't think they should be able to stop anyone at anytime and ask to see proof.  However, if you stipulate that there needs to be a reasonable cause to stop someone, that walks a very fine line.  Can the officer stop someone because they observe them speaking anything but English? 

    I personally think immigration needs an overhaul, at least at the state level (I'm from Texas, and immigration is a big topic here).  I think this law will just create more problems than it will solve.  There was a Dallas suburb that tried to pass a law that would make it illegal to rent apartments to illegal immigrants.  Everyone flipped out and started suing the city saying it's unconstitutional.  Last I heard, the city is still trying to get this law passed.  I think it's great because in theory, if you are here illegally, you should not be able to get a job.  If you have no job, then you should not be able to rent.  But I understand that this is not a perfect world, and that many illegal immigrants have jobs here. 

    This is my opinion and I may be the only one that feels this way, but if you are not a citizen of this country, then I don't think you or a minority association (like LULAC) can say something is unconstitutional and violates the rights of people who aren't here legally. 
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    Tide, I get that.  You're in HR, right?  Isn't there some type of universal system that they were trying to get off the ground so that an employer can check the person against what's housed in the database?  Check their social, birthdate, etc.

    If you put the burden on the businesses (which I agree isn't entirely fair) - it's easier to track down 500,000 or so businesses, than 12 million people living under the radar.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well :  This is my opinion and I may be the only one that feels this way, but if you are not a citizen of this country, <strong>then I don't think you or a minority association (like LULAC) can say something is unconstitutional and violates the rights of people who aren't here legally. 
    </strong>Posted by steph13055[/QUOTE]

    Yes, that's the one caveat of the Constitution.  If you're here, even illegally, you become entitled to all of the protections that citizens have.  Due process, education, etc. etc.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : I had a Jewish friend say that exactly.  I don't think they should be able to stop anyone at anytime and ask to see proof.  However, if you stipulate that there needs to be a reasonable cause to stop someone, that walks a very fine line.  Can the officer stop someone because they observe them speaking anything but English?  I personally think immigration needs an overhaul, at least at the state level (I'm from Texas, and immigration is a big topic here).  I think this law will just create more problems than it will solve.  <strong>There was a Dallas suburb that tried to pass a law that would make it illegal to rent apartments to illegal immigrants.  Everyone flipped out and started suing the city saying it's unconstitutional.  Last I heard, the city is still trying to get this law passed.  I think it's great because in theory, if you are here illegally, you should not be able to get a job.  If you have no job, then you should not be able to rent.</strong>  But I understand that this is not a perfect world, and that many illegal immigrants have jobs here.  This is my opinion and I may be the only one that feels this way, but if you are not a citizen of this country, then I don't think you or a minority association (like LULAC) can say something is unconstitutional and violates the rights of people who aren't here legally. 
    Posted by steph13055[/QUOTE]

    I think maybe they should be able to rent short term but not long term. Why would someone who is an illegal citizen need to rent for a long period of time, they should not be here for a long period of time.

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    [QUOTE]Tide, I get that.  You're in HR, right?  Isn't there some type of universal system that they were trying to get off the ground so that an employer can check the person against what's housed in the database?  Check their social, birthdate, etc. If you put the burden on the businesses (which I agree isn't entirely fair) - it's easier to track down 500,000 or so businesses, than 12 million people living under the radar.
    Posted by bbyckes[/QUOTE]

    Haha.  No.  I'm a Customs and Border Protection officer <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif" border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" />
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : Yes, that's the one caveat of the Constitution.  If you're here, even illegally, you become entitled to all of the protections that citizens have.  Due process, education, etc. etc.
    Posted by bbyckes[/QUOTE]

    This is actually not true.  There are a couple pieces of legislation which allow for emergency services and I think that children are entitled to medical care and education.  Illegals aren't entitled to vote, receive social benefits that other citizens are allowed to and I'm assuming don't use essential services for fear of being deported.  That being said they do not have the tax liability that citizens suffer.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : oh yeah, and good for arizona for also passing a law that in order for a presidential candidate to be on their ballot they must produce their birth certificate. i believe that obama was born here, but it's ridiculous that he won't just show his bc. it feels like a game. if he was conservative, i'd feel the same way. show your damn bc so we can move on. it's just weird.
    Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

    This is so silly.  Obama's Certification of Live Birth is all over the Internet.  All.  Over. 

    I was born in Los Angeles and I don't have a "birth certificate," either.  I have a Certification of Live Birth.  The documents are legally interchangeable.  If people don't like the<strong> duly elected</strong> President of the United States, then they can vote him out of office when he comes up for re-election.  Ousting him on the basis of a conspiracy theory gone viral = ridiculous.
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    [QUOTE]My opinions on illegal immigration have changed dramatically since I moved to a place where it's actually a problem. I think seeing how they live here and knowing some undocumented workers has really changed my views. It isn't a piece of cake by any means, but is it's better than where they're from... oh my god, I don't blame them. But really, I don't think they come here saying, "Woohoo! I'm going to milk all those social benefits in America!" I can think of other countries with much better benefits if that were the case.
    Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

    but there isn't room here for every single person who isn't happy with where they live. i do feel sorry for people who live in poor, undeveloped countries.  but the answer is not to just let them all come on in illegally if they aren't happy.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : This is so silly.  Obama's Certification of Life Birth is all over the Internet.  All.  Over.  I was born in Los Angeles and I don't have a "birth certificate," either.  I have a Certification of Life Birth.  The documents are legally interchangeable.  If people don't like the duly elected President of the United States, then they can vote him out of office when he comes up for re-election.  Ousting him on the basis of a conspiracy theory gone viral = ridiculous.
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    Amen sista.  I think that whole thing was so ridiculous. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : This is so silly.  Obama's <strong>Certification of Life Birth</strong> is all over the Internet.  All.  Over.  I was born in Los Angeles and I don't have a "birth certificate," either.  I have a Certification of Life Birth.  The documents are legally interchangeable.  If people don't like the duly elected President of the United States, then they can vote him out of office when he comes up for re-election.  Ousting him on the basis of a conspiracy theory gone viral = ridiculous.
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    I had never heard this term before, so I looked it up. Is it mostly a Hawaiian thing? I kept seeing Hawaii associated with this term in search results. I've always heard birth certificate.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : This is so silly.  Obama's Certification of Life Birth is all over the Internet.  All.  Over.  I was born in Los Angeles and I don't have a "birth certificate," either.  I have a Certification of Life Birth.  The documents are legally interchangeable.  If people don't like the duly elected President of the United States, then they can vote him out of office when he comes up for re-election.  Ousting him on the basis of a conspiracy theory gone viral = ridiculous.
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    haha. ok. well, besides all that nonsense you just spewed (even though i said i believe obama was born here,) it's ridiculous that he wouldn't just publicly show his bc immediately. the citizens have the right to ask him to show that. i even know people who voted for him who were pissed he wouldn't just publicly release it and call it a day. saying that a candidate should have to release his bc before being on a ballot is not a conspiracy theory. overreact much?

    edit: i'm referring to how it was like pulling teeth to get him to release anything. it was like a game and i found it to be annoying. it should have been released as soon as it was questioned. i think we have the right to ask every elected official to prove that they are legally able to run for office here.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : I had never heard this term before, so I looked it up. Is it mostly a Hawaiian thing? I kept seeing Hawaii associated with this term in search results. I've always heard birth certificate.
    Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

    Well, that's what my birth certificate says as well, and I was born in NY. Not sure if they still do, since I was born in 1982. My mother explained that for a stillbirth, for example, they have a combination birth/death certificate they issue, instead. Hence the "live birth."
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : Well, that's what my birth certificate says as well, and I was born in NY. Not sure if they still do, since I was born in 1982. My mother explained that for a stillbirth, for example, they have a combination birth/death certificate they issue, instead. Hence the "live birth."
    Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]
    my best friend in high school's mom had a stillbirth baby. it was so so sad. i know that was slightly OT, but i just cannot imagine what it would be like to carry a baby to term and then have to deliver a dead baby.
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    The only nonsense in my post was my terminology; I erroneously referred to it as a "Certificate of Life Birth" instead of "Certification of Live Birth."  (Oops.)  Still, the take-home message -- that the documents are legally interchangeable -- is true.

    And I don't think it's an over-reacting to call a spade a spade.  Even Wikipedia has a section on "Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories," lol. 
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    Oh god, I know Sarah. It's the saddest thing. I mean, miscarrying a baby at say, 3 months, must be really hard, but full term must be even more unbearable.
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    I may move to AZ because of this, lol.

    No seriously, I am pretty conservative and I see why they chose to do this.  The federal government refuses to enforce immigration laws that are already in existance, so what is AZ to do?  They decided to take things into their own hands. 

    I don't see how the helath care bill is considered constitutional, but this isnt.  Either its an invasion of civil rights for both cases, or for neither.

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    [QUOTE]I may move to AZ because of this, lol. No seriously, I am pretty conservative and I see why they chose to do this.  The federal government refuses to enforce immigration laws that are already in existance, so what is AZ to do?  They decided to take things into their own hands.  I don't see how the helath care bill is considered constitutional, but this isnt.  Either its an invasion of civil rights for both cases, or for neither.
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    And furthermore, since when did breaking a law all of a sudden entitle you to all of these rights??  Should we just open up all the jails and let the convicts out?  Do we only punish actual citizens for breaking laws and let non citizens do whatever they want?

    These people breeched our borders and are a threat to national security.  They are not "entitled" to anything except a bus pass the eff out of here.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_apparently-discuss-pressing-world-issues-well?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:20d061e8-7dab-4497-ab8a-7c67cb23776aPost:6bb0e4aa-048b-499b-8c17-fd58a81f63d1">Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well</a>:
    [QUOTE]And furthermore, since when did breaking a law all of a sudden entitle you to all of these rights??  Should we just open up all the jails and let the convicts out?  Do we only punish actual citizens for breaking laws and let non citizens do whatever they want?
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    I don't think anyone is suggesting this.

    Simply being in this country -- legally or not -- entitles you to all the protections afforded to us by our Constitution: freedom of speech, protection from illegal search and seizure, the right to a fair trial...  etc.  These aren't special perks that we reserve for citizens.  These are basic human rights that we, as a society, have declared to be both self-evident and universal.  (Except of course in Guantanamo Bay, but that's a whole other post...)

    So, yes, within our borders, even illegal immigrants have rights -- as they should.  (If we're fighting wars abroad to extend our values to other cultures, then least we can do is honor them at home, imo.)  But at the same time that they benefit from the protections inherent to our Constitution, they are held to our laws, just as our own citizens are.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_apparently-discuss-pressing-world-issues-well?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:20d061e8-7dab-4497-ab8a-7c67cb23776aPost:51e39026-b397-43b3-81b8-4f26eeac8220">Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well</a>:
    [QUOTE]So, yes, within our borders, even illegal immigrants have rights -- as they should.  <strong>(If we're fighting wars abroad to extend our values to other cultures, then least we can do is honor them at home, imo.)</strong>  But at the same time that they benefit from the protections inherent to our Constitution, they are held to our laws, just as our own citizens are.
    Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

    All this.
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    kimheartsscottkimheartsscott member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_apparently-discuss-pressing-world-issues-well?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:20d061e8-7dab-4497-ab8a-7c67cb23776aPost:cf4096a1-1417-4240-ab8a-3d506f906120">Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : Exactly.  <strong>There are many Arizonians who don't support the bill</strong>, and who have to live and work just like the rest of us.  Why penalize them because of the actions of some lawmakers?
    Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

    Oh, hai.

    (I admit I only skimmed this thread, because this topic makes me want to punch things.)
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    Blueyed228Blueyed228 member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_apparently-discuss-pressing-world-issues-well?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:20d061e8-7dab-4497-ab8a-7c67cb23776aPost:51e39026-b397-43b3-81b8-4f26eeac8220">Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : I don't think anyone is suggesting this. Simply being in this country -- legally or not -- entitles you to all the protections afforded to us by our Constitution: freedom of speech, protection from illegal search and seizure, the right to a fair trial...  etc.  These aren't special perks that we reserve for citizens.  These are basic human rights that we, as a society, have declared to be both self-evident and universal.  (Except of course in Guantanamo Bay, but that's a whole other post...) So, yes, within our borders, even illegal immigrants have rights -- as they should.  (If we're fighting wars abroad to extend our values to other cultures, then least we can do is honor them at home, imo.)  But at the same time that they benefit from the protections inherent to our Constitution, they are held to our laws, just as our own citizens are.
    Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

    I have to respectfully ( and I mean that) disagree.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_apparently-discuss-pressing-world-issues-well?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:20d061e8-7dab-4497-ab8a-7c67cb23776aPost:2a2c1e20-5f72-41cd-8b17-9f2a9163bfb8">Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Apparently we discuss pressing world issues as well : Yea, the heat sucks
    Posted by nda_roxybabe[/QUOTE]

    I'm a winter, snow and ice girl.....well except when I have the free time to drink by the pool!  I'm also afraid if I lived in a location where I could have a pool open year round with my margarita mixer I may never go back to school/work again!
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