Prop 8

Night_Sprite

Prop 8 was officially deemed unconstitutional.  Discuss!

LedZeppelin

I'm glad it was! I was so angry when that passed!

Night_Sprite

I am thrilled!  I am absolutely thrilled.

ricksang

Boo. You beat me to it.

npasquale16

I am thrilled, as well.  I've posted this video before, but obviously it's applicable here.  My friend and his FH are obsessed with all things gay wedding, so they constantly send me these links   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx_MpRP39as&has_verified=1

DodgersBride

I am happy they ruled it unconsitutional.

ricksang

Apparently the Judge is gay and was appointed by GW Bush! At least that is what I am reading on nthe P&CE board.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

I live in CA and I am ECSTATIC! Of course it's unconstitutional to deny equal rights to a subset.

GreenPepperBurger

I am crying tears of happiness.

K Byte

I just heard about this too -- it's great news! I'm assuming you've all seen "Proposition 8 The Musical" from Funny or Die, but in case not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hyT7_Bx9o

LedZeppelin

npasquale - that video was awesome!

ricksang

Someone on P&CE  says this ruling still has to go through the SCOTUS and that they might overturn.

K Byte

According to this CNN article, the decision could be appealed next to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and then to the Supreme Court. http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/04/prop.8.next/

npasquale16

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:45293b43-0674-4c0a-b8b8-ab6019c88358">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]According to this CNN article, the decision could be appealed next to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and then to the Supreme Court. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/04/prop.8.next/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/04/prop.8.next/</a>
Posted by K Byte[/QUOTE]
Really?  I have to do some research. For the life of me, I just don't get the entire argument against gay marriage in the first place.  It just enrages me.  Does anyone have any idea of where the S.C. judges stand on the issue?

ricksang

I am not sure Np, but I am not going to get my hopes up until it goes through the SC.

LedZeppelin

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:ac406ca2-b9ef-4a98-bfd0-1faade7ff134">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 : Really?  I have to do some research. For the life of me,<strong> I just don't get the entire argument against gay marriage in the first place.  It just enrages me</strong>.  Does anyone have any idea of where the S.C. judges stand on the issue?
Posted by npasquale16[/QUOTE]

Same here. It makes me crazy. All of the arguements I've heard against gay marriage are just inane.

ricksang

Don't you guys realize that if we let the gays marry we will have to let people marry animals next!!! :P

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:8847476a-b114-4dcc-9d4b-ab25af8ccecb">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]Someone on P&CE  says this ruling still has to go through the SCOTUS and that they might overturn.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

Well... it doesn't have to.

The circuit 9 court of appeals can refuse to hear the case, which means that the California court's ruling stands and will apply only to California (for now). I *think* they could also hear it/uphold it (the 9th circuit court is fairly "liberal") and then deny an appeal to SCOTUS, OR SCOTUS could refuse to hear the case, which would mean the 9th circuit's ruling would be the end.

Personally, I don't think I want it to go to SCOTUS. With the make up of the court, the best case scenario is that they'll maintain the status quo - allowing individual states to decide on gay marriage. (If the SCOTUS were more "liberal" I'd say push it through and see if they overturn DOMA and/or legalize gay marriage in the entire US. That's just a very, very slim possibility at the moment.)

ricksang

MS will never allow gay marriage, not in my lifetime.

Isn't SCOTUS  fairly liberal now? I admit I have about a 2% knowledge of or judicial system.

M&R7111

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:b5456dc1-67f6-49e4-ad1d-8910a7b0c10a">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 : Same here. It makes me crazy. All of the arguements I've heard against gay marriage are just inane.
Posted by LedZeppelin[/QUOTE]

But Led - If gay people marry, it will ruin the sanctity of MY marriage!!!
*note sacrastic font is in use*

ricksang

I still don't understand why people care so much about peoples' sex lives.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:c59d4d84-298e-4ed7-8798-95424fc476e4">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]MS will never allow gay marriage, not in my lifetime. Isn't SCOTUS  fairly liberal now? I admit I have about a 2% knowledge of or judicial system.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

It depends on the topic, but it would probably be about 5-4 in favor of prop 8 (or at least against overturning DOMA). With justices, they don't campaign or state their politics, so you have to go with their previous decisions to see if they're pro-gay marriage, anti-abortion, pro-gun rights, etc. Sometimes it backfires. Nixon ended up appointing a few justices that were fairly "liberal" and Reagan appointed Sandra Day O'Connor who was moderate/liberal.

LedZeppelin

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:49eaa222-66bf-4757-9ac9-62d0a834cb5a">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]Don't you guys realize that if we let the gays marry we will have to let people marry animals next!!! :P
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

And then the only rational progression is that people will want to marry inanimate objects. Where will it end?!

npasquale16

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:1ceec735-0154-4062-818a-993fb4e25e10">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 : And then the only rational progression is that people will want to marry inanimate objects. Where will it end?!
Posted by LedZeppelin[/QUOTE

Or zombies.  EEK!

LedZeppelin

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:5d00e3b2-5b84-43a0-a0a9-68fff6e8ecc4">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Prop 8 : But Led - If gay people marry, it will ruin the sanctity of MY marriage!!! *note sacrastic font is in use*
Posted by M&R7111[/QUOTE]

That's a good point! They're selfish jerks!

ricksang

 I remember that mentioned before (you have to go by past decisions) Well hopefully it will stick. Some of the comments on a few of the news sites are pretty sad/terrible.

randikins

I am so happy about this. CA holds a special place in my heart (for being my birth state and place I recently lived in for a couple of years) and I cried tears of sadness when Prop 8 passed. One of my good friends in CA married his BF the day before the election just in case it passed.

I hope this wakes up other states and they get their heads of their asses.

LedZeppelin

np, I feel like I need to rewatch zombieland, so that I'm prepared.

npasquale16

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_prop-8?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:832a3380-b6db-4be6-9dc0-d85e0cf25b8fPost:15ac8c6b-fc92-4d43-959f-f264b9684ae9">Re: Prop 8</a>:
[QUOTE]np, I feel like I need to rewatch zombieland, so that I'm prepared.
Posted by LedZeppelin[/QUOTE]
Lol :)  Prepare for total domination.  (I think that line is from Bring It On, but I use if for everything).

2dBride

I, too, am nervous about this one.  The effect has been stayed until the appeals court rules, so it won't go into effect immediately.  And I would be very nervous about having it go before the current Supreme Court.  An adverse decision would stay in effect for years.

On a lighter note, when my wife and I got married, I kiddingly asked my son whether he had noticed Civilization as We Know It ending.  He thought for a moment, then said, "Well, I did hear something, but I thought it was just [my brother] and [my sister] throwing pine cones at each other."

LedZeppelin

Those aren't spirit fingers! THESE are spirit fingers!