Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion?

SarahPLiz

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[QUOTE]I'm willing to go further than most and say that the woman has a right to choose right up until the live birth (and I don't actually know when vaibility starts). I don't know any woman who would run out at 8 months and get an abortion on a whim. If a late term abortion is a medical necessity, she's thought long and hard about the issue and she has a right to that procedure if it's in her best interest.  With her doctor she's looked at every angle, every likely outcome and she doesn't need third parties all up in her hooha carrying signs and graphic photos. I'm even willing to take the position that the health and welfare of the mother includes her mental state. Saying that, I still find it inconceivable that a woman would use a late-term abortion as a method of bc.  But once the baby is born, alive -- well, then it has a right to life that supercedes the woman's right to control her body and her medical care.
Posted by MiddlesexFells[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>Most doctors agree that viability outside the womb starts as early as 24 weeks. At 8 months (32 weeks) a child can be born alive and has a really good chance of survival, even if induced. Just to clarify, you are saying that its ok to kill this child instead of delivering it and giving it up for adoption?

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mica178

Who the F thinks the government should decide? 

ricksang

I think she is Sarah. What a POS. Isn't she the asshat who said something really stupid about the teaparty? I could be wrong.

ricksang

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[QUOTE]Who the F thinks the government should decide? 
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

Someone REAAAALLLY Republican, more Republican that Blue, Aprov and I combined lol!

musicalsunlight

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion? : Most doctors agree that viability outside the womb starts as early as 24 weeks. At 8 months (32 weeks) a child can be born alive and has a really good chance of survival, even if induced. Just to clarify, you are saying that its ok to kill this child instead of delivering it and giving it up for adoption?
Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm with Sarah on this one, that post didn't settle well with me. It would be extremely hard to measure mental health and preparedness of the mother before deciding to do such a late term abortions. I just feel really uncomfortable with late term abortions.

Steph0871

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[QUOTE]Who the F thinks the government should decide? 
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

<div>Most republicans.</div>

kd.joseph

Heavy subject!

DH and I have had this debate for years (it's one of our we agree to diagree talks), I'm on the side that a woman has to carry the child, at risk of her own health sometimes, she decides. But he believes a man should have a say because he will have to pay either way.

I guess when I think about it, men do not have as much invested as a woman does. And yes I was left 5 months pregnant, and had to raise my son alone.

SarahPLiz

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[QUOTE]I think she is Sarah. What a POS. Isn't she the asshat who said something really stupid about the teaparty? I could be wrong.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

<div>I was just trying to determine if she was shiit stirring or just that ignorant. Apparently she hasn't done much research on the issue if she doesn't know anything about viability. So I don't really care what she thinks. </div>

mica178

I think many Republicans don't want the government funding abortion.  I don't think they think the government has a say in what a woman does with her own body.  (If they do, they suck.)

I have to say that the poll makes it look like the government would decide if the woman has an abortion or not, sort of totalitarianism, what some horrible Communist countries do (forced abortion on women carrying babies with possible defects). 

ricksang

Mica I think a lot of Rebups do want unfunding but a lot of repubs also believe aborrtion is murder (I could be wrong and I am not speaking for all Repubs) I am an Atheist Repub so I am not completely sure.

SarahPLiz

I guess unfunding to them means it won't happen anymore. Wrong. 

MiddlesexFells

Yeah, that was me

I'm not saying she SHOULD, no. And I'm not saying I would.  I'm saying she should have the right to. As I said, I cannot conceive of a situation where the decision would be made lightly or frivilously. But if I learned at 8 months that my baby were anencephalic, then yes, I think I might just choose a late term abortion, and think most women would weigh those choices. I'll also concede that with prenatal care that most women get (at least those who don't primarily see ER doctors) nowadays, such a severe disability likely to affect the quality of the baby's life are discovered far earlier now, rendering late-term abortions even rarer, which is, of course, a good thing.

FTR, I'm not a POS. I have great empathy for the women in the position to have to make this choice, and for the unborn baby, who may be facing a very short, painful existence.

SarahPLiz

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[QUOTE]Yeah, that was me I'm not saying she SHOULD, no. And I'm not saying I would.  I'm saying she should have the right to. As I said, I cannot conceive of a situation where the decision would be made lightly or frivilously. But if I learned at 8 months that my baby were anencephalic, then yes, I think I might just choose a late term abortion, and think most women would weigh those choices. I'll also concede that with prenatal care that most women get (at least those who don't primarily see ER doctors) nowadays, such a severe disability likely to affect the quality of the baby's life are discovered far earlier now, rendering late-term abortions even rarer, which is, of course, a good thing. FTR, I'm not a POS. I have great empathy for the women in the position to have to make this choice, and for the unborn baby, who may be facing a very short, painful existence.
Posted by MiddlesexFells[/QUOTE]

<div>But your first argument said it was for the mental well being of the mother. Do you think the mother should have the right to abort a 32 week baby that is otherwise totally healthy, just because she decides she doesn't want to parent it? </div>

mica178

Ricks, I guess when you put it that way, I live with one of those Republicans.  H thinks abortion is murder.  However, he doesn't say that it's the government's decision whether or not a woman can get an abortion. 

I just don't like the way the thread or the poll was worded.

ricksang

Yeah Mica I didn't either. It wasn't worded right at all.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

The woman. I do not believe the father should have legal input.

And I believe in choice throughout the pregnancy, though I have no idea who on earth would want to abort a healthy pregnancy past the point of viability, as long as there's no danger to the mother to continue.

MiddlesexFells

That's a good point, Sarah, and I guess that's the part that I can't wrap my brain around, so I'm not sure I can articulate it. Let me try.

If the question is the mother's mental health, then I would assume that she'd have the abortion early on. I mean, if you're in crisis and pregnant, are you really going to wait until the last possible moment (and then some, since I'm sure you're right about viability being about 24 weeks) to have that procedure? I don't think so.

And I don't think most late term abortion providers would perform it at a very late date based solely on the mother's mental health. 

So I guess I see late term abortions more as a response to the anencephaly-type situation. (Sorry to keep using that as the example, but it's just about the only situation I can think of off the top of my head when I'd be comforable [wrong word!] seeking the procedure.)  But making them illegal deprives everyone of them, even those women for whom it is an appropriate medical treatment. I consider myself to be blessed to never have been in that particular population subset, but if I were, I would want the option available.

And Sarah, I do sincerely appreciate the discussion without the namecalling. I know you disagree with me, and I even get a hint that you find my postion repugnant. It may be hard to believe, but I find late-term abortions repugnant, too, but they are still a medical necessity in some (thankfully very rare) circumstances.

[Deleted User]

I think Rory Gilmore should be the one to decide whether or not women can get abortions. She's always seemed to have her head on straight. Or maybe Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite.

cupcakesfrosting

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[QUOTE]<strong>I think Rory Gilmore should be the one to decide whether or not women can get abortions. She's always seemed to have her head on straight.</strong> Or may Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

I love you so hard for this.

NatesGirl16

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[QUOTE]I think Rory Gilmore should be the one to decide whether or not women can get abortions. She's always seemed to have her head on straight. Or maybe Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]
Uh oh,  I think this needs a poll.  Karen?

Blueyed228

If we are talking party lines ad a Republican I do not think it should be government funded however I fully support a womans right to choose. I also realize its not a popular stance to have but I stand by it.

aclove2lope

How about The Bible...ya know...a thing called "thou shall not kill"...the 6th of the 10 Commandments.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]How about The Bible...ya know...a thing called "thou shall not kill"...the 6th of the 10 Commandments.
Posted by aclove2lope[/QUOTE]

Are you being serious? You do realize their are non christians in the world right?

cupcakesfrosting

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[QUOTE]How about The Bible...ya know...a thing called "thou shall not kill"...the 6th of the 10 Commandments.
Posted by aclove2lope[/QUOTE]

How about... ya know... Not being so judgemental.

marinabreeze

My understanding is that while some Republicans just don't want government funding it (they don't fund it directly anyway so I kind of think this point is moot), but others see it as a means to an ultimate end of making abortion illegal across the board. 

On this particular question, I think it's worded kind of weird.  But I think that women should be able to decide the fate of her pregnancy up to a certain point (when it is considered viable).  I don't think the man should decide, because he's not the one carrying it, it doesn't affect his well-being either way, and it's easier for him to walk away than the woman.  He should know about it (unless it was through rape/incest), but I don't think he should decide.

aclove2lope

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion? : Are you being serious? You do realize their are non christians in the world right?
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Just stating my beliefs about abortion.  I feel that is my right as a Christian...I don't want to get into a debate I am just stating how I feel. The question was Who do you think should decide...I said The Bible decided thats all.

tayylor65

This whole subject is really hard to put a full opinion on.  Like I posted before, I think the woman ultimately should have the final say up until the 2nd trimester begins.  I do think the father has rights but considering it's IN the woman and the woman has to carry/deliver the child there shouldn't be any legal dictation of how to handle the situation.

That being said, I interned at Planned Parenthood my senior year of high school.  I worked with the director of Planned Parenthood for Baltimore (I'm pretty sure that was her heading) for 3 weeks.  I fully support what Planned Parenthood has to offer considering it seemed to be 90% of their efforts/funding went to sex-ed for inner city schools, coaching/therapy for young women, gynecological exams for women who don't have insurance, birth control etc.  Aside from going to meetings, I also shadowed at the Baltimore City "office", 1 of the 2 PP's in Maryland that perform abortions.  I was really taken aback when I sat in on 2 counseling sessions (1 of the steps in the procedure where they make sure you're having it done at your own free will) and 1 woman was maybe ~35 y/o, seemed very put-together in the way she interacted/dressed/carried herself and was on her 3rd abortion because she never used BC (this specific case was a night she ran into an old fling while out with friends and it was a 1 nights stand).  That, IMO was terrible and as someone who is very open minded and accepting, I completely judged her.

I think there are a lot of holes in the rights but I also don't there are any ways to fix them in which case I opt for maintaining the rights as they are now.  I just can't stand the women who have multiple abortions and don't ever seem to learn.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]How about The Bible...ya know...a thing called "thou shall not kill"...the 6th of the 10 Commandments.
Posted by aclove2lope[/QUOTE]

Yet the entire question of whether or not an abortion is murder is fairly fundamental. one can believe in the Ten Commandments and not consider an abortion "murder" and therefore not wrong. You DO know people who are pro-choice don't think abortion is murder and murder is good, right?

OutOfTheBlue612

I'm not sure of other states, but a few months ago I looked up abortion laws for NC. It is legal to have an abortion (for no medical cause whosoever) up to 20 weeks. I was honestly shocked. I had just assumed that it was only legal up until the end of the first trimester.

anna.oskar

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[QUOTE]How about The Bible...ya know...a thing called "thou shall not kill"...the 6th of the 10 Commandments.
Posted by aclove2lope[/QUOTE]


So your saying Men should decide?  Since the bible was written and assembled by mortal men.