Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion?

marinabreeze

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[QUOTE]How about The Bible...ya know...a thing called "thou shall not kill"...the 6th of the 10 Commandments.
Posted by aclove2lope[/QUOTE]
I'm a Christian myself, but not everyone on the board is (and so therefore they aren't guided by the Bible).  And even among Bible-believing Christians, not everyone agrees on the issue of abortion.  The Bible mentions "thou shalt not kill" but war is sanctioned, and the death of an unborn child is not placed at the same level as killing someone who has been born.  So it's really not that cut and dry, even for Christian believers. 

That said, I can't see myself having an abortion myself if I had an unplanned pregnancy, but I considering the personal and individual nature of pregnancy, I have no desire to take that decision away from women who are perfectly capable of making their own decisions regarding their children and their bodies.

bakekiwi

Middlesex...  scary answer. I work in L&D, and your example of an ancephalic baby is frightening. If a baby with this condition is around term, NO abortion takes place. The mother may be induced or have a c/s to deliver the baby. Furthermore, this condition is seen early in pregnancy, so if a pregnancy happens to make it to full term, it was most likely the mothers decision to carry the baby for religious/moral reasons. Build your argument before taking on a powerful stance. 

SarahPLiz

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[QUOTE]Middlesex...  scary answer. I work in L&D, and your example of an ancephalic baby is frightening. If a baby with this condition is around term, NO abortion takes place. The mother may be induced or have a c/s to deliver the baby. Furthermore, this condition is seen early in pregnancy, so if a pregnancy happens to make it to full term, it was most likely the mothers decision to carry the baby for religious/moral reasons. <strong>Build your argument before taking on a powerful stance. </strong>
Posted by bakekiwi[/QUOTE]
This is kind of the point I was trying to make. Just because she can't fathom a person wanting to abort an essentially full term baby instead of parent doesn't mean it can't happen, and I think there should be some consideration of that in her argument. 

Blueyed228

Im pretty sure Middlesex's reaction to you all is going to be to tell youbto shove your view up your azz. its kind of her thing

bakekiwi

I have little doubt that some of the clientele I work with would consider full term abortions. I hope they are few and far between, but they are out there.

I've seem little '1 pounders' at 22 weeks in the NICU.

That being said, I am pro-choice. (But in a timely manner...)

bakekiwi

She sounds like a real peach that one (Middlesex). I'd like her to babysit my children. 

LenaF

IMHO, I believe abortion is wrong unless the pregnancy will cause problems with the mother's health. I also believe if you want one, you should atleast tell the man. That baby isn't 100% the woman's just b/c she carries it. It's 50% man and 50% woman. And I feel like it should be the same way for the decision. Like I said though, my opinion.

MiddlesexFells

Okay, it's way past my bedtime, so one final thought, then I'm off (to watch Rachel Maddow, I dvr her every night) ...

I'll give you that anencephaly isn't the best example to use, for all the reasons kiwi mentioned.  Let say I'm a mother, happily married and ecstatically 8 months pregnant. I'm in a terrible car accident, and I have massive injuries. My husband dies in the crash. The baby's still alive, also severely injured. Do I try to save the baby, who will live in great pain and severely disabled if he survives at all, even if treating the baby limits my own treatment options, thereby risking my life and risking leaving my children orphans, or do I save myself and the baby dies?

Tragedies happen every day, and medicine (and the legal system) needs to be prepared for them.  Late term abortion is one of those contingencies. I cannot (and yes, will not) believe it's used as a birth control method.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]I'm not sure of other states, but a few months ago I looked up abortion laws for NC. It is legal to have an abortion (for no medical cause whosoever) up to 20 weeks. I was honestly shocked. I had just assumed that it was only legal up until the end of the first trimester.
Posted by OutOfTheBlue612[/QUOTE]

Well, the anatomy scan isn't done until around 20 weeks, and some genetic testing can take that long too. I know a few people who have gotten a scare around that point and realized that if their test results were devestating, it actually WOULD be very hard for them to obtain a legal abortion. Hence why women often have to travel hundreds or thousands of miles for late second or third trimester abortions.

That's PART of my stance about why all abortion should be legal. The other is philosophical. If you condemn abortion at 25 weeks, why wouldn't you condemn it at five? Abortion rights have been chipped away since at least PP vs. Casey, and saying, "Well yeah, we shouldn't allow third trimester abortions. Oh, and well, yeah, late second tri/past the point of viability doesn't work either. How about all the second trimester? How about once you can dedect a heartbeat? How about not for girls under 18 without parental permission?" creates a slippery slope where the right is slowly taken away. I mean, it doesn't really bother me if abortion isn't allowed in the third trimester. It's not a hill I want to die on. But when I think about it, my beliefs mandate that it should technically be an option, though obviously a rare one. But in a perfect world, all abortion would be rare.

SarahPLiz

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[QUOTE]Okay, it's way past my bedtime, so one final thought, then I'm off (to watch Rachel Maddow, I dvr her every night) ... I'll give you that anencephaly isn't the best example to use, for all the reasons kiwi mentioned.  Let say I'm a mother, happily married and ecstatically 8 months pregnant. I'm in a terrible car accident, and I have massive injuries. My husband dies in the crash. The baby's still alive, also severely injured. Do I try to save the baby, who will live in great pain and severely disabled if he survives at all, even if treating the baby limits my own treatment options, thereby risking my life and risking leaving my children orphans, or do I save myself and the baby dies? Tragedies happen every day, and medicine (and the legal system) needs to be prepared for them.  Late term abortion is one of those contingencies. I cannot (and yes, will not) believe it's used as a birth control method.
Posted by MiddlesexFells[/QUOTE]
Or, you can deliver the baby, and both of you live. YOu don't have to kill the baby to save yourself. To me, that's a ridiculous proposition. You can induce labor and deliver the baby if the health of the mother is in danger. It happens quite often in those cases. 

avsfan33

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[QUOTE]Okay, it's way past my bedtime, so one final thought, then I'm off (to watch Rachel Maddow, I dvr her every night) ... I'll give you that anencephaly isn't the best example to use, for all the reasons kiwi mentioned.  Let say I'm a mother, happily married and ecstatically 8 months pregnant. I'm in a terrible car accident, and I have massive injuries. My husband dies in the crash. The baby's still alive, also severely injured. Do I try to save the baby, who will live in great pain and severely disabled if he survives at all, even if treating the baby limits my own treatment options, thereby risking my life and risking leaving my children orphans, or do I save myself and the baby dies? Tragedies happen every day, and medicine (and the legal system) needs to be prepared for them.  Late term abortion is one of those contingencies. I cannot (and yes, will not) believe it's used as a birth control method.
Posted by MiddlesexFells[/QUOTE]

I was supposed to be aborted because my mom had ovarian cysts that were going to crush me. She didn't abort me (obviously..unless I'm an angry 22 year old fetus trolling TK... />.>) but she could have died in the process and I could have died as well.

mica178

I spent 4 weeks rotating through a PP, and I saw abortions performed up to 24 weeks.  I'm fairly certain one was past 24 weeks.  Let me tell you that if you want to make the mental health argument, the people who make the decision for an early abortion are the sanest, and the most disorganized (by disorganized I don't mean messy house, I mean dysfunctional thinking) people were the ones who were having abortions at 20-24 weeks.  So that argument that if a woman isn't mentally capable of having a child, she'd have an early abortion doesn't hold.  The women having 2nd trimester abortions were messes.  They were in denial, they were on drugs, they had a million reasons why they waited nearly 6 months -- until they were showing -- to have an abortion.

The provider I followed at the high risk (read: 16-24 week LMP) abortion clinic said he would do abortions for anyone so long as the ultrasound said the fetus was less than 24 weeks along.  No health issues or genetic malformations necessary.  For him to have to have a reason to perform the abortion would go against his pro-choice beliefs.  And from a philosophical standpoint, he was absolutely correct.

Middlesexfells, I have no idea what high school ethics course you got these examples from, but they are inane.

Ciaram22

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[QUOTE]Okay, it's way past my bedtime, so one final thought, then I'm off (to watch Rachel Maddow, I dvr her every night) ... I'll give you that anencephaly isn't the best example to use, for all the reasons kiwi mentioned.  Let say I'm a mother, happily married and ecstatically 8 months pregnant.<strong> I'm in a terrible car accident, and I have massive injuries. My husband dies in the crash. The baby's still alive, also severely injured. Do I try to save the baby, who will live in great pain and severely disabled if he survives at all, even if treating the baby limits my own treatment options, thereby risking my life and risking leaving my children orphans, or do I save myself and the baby dies? </strong>Tragedies happen every day, and medicine (and the legal system) needs to be prepared for them.  Late term abortion is one of those contingencies. I cannot (and yes, will not) believe it's used as a birth control method.
Posted by MiddlesexFells[/QUOTE]
At this point they wouldn't let you abort the baby they would just deliver the baby. Most likely by a c-section and take the baby directly to the nicu before you even really knew what happened.

Hippinhipster

I also believe abortion is wrong in any case. And I think it's rather selfish of the woman getting the abortion even in the case that it's a medical risk to her. Women used to consider it an honor to die so their children could live.

kcscejal

Except if the mother dies before the fetus is viable both of them die.

KentuckyKate

I think there should be time frame regulations on abortions, but that sentience, not just viability, should be considered in these regulations.  In particular, the ability to feel pleasure and pain, which the fetus acquires sometime in the second trimester.  IMO, just because a fetus couldn't live outside the womb doesn't make it ok to literally rip apart a being that can feel pain.

cupcakesfrosting

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[QUOTE]I also believe abortion is wrong in any case. And I think it's rather selfish of the woman getting the abortion even in the case that it's a medical risk to her. Women used to consider it an honor to die so their children could live.
Posted by Hippinhipster[/QUOTE]

Are you fucking kidding me? I was told I would DIE if I attempted the 4th month. I'm sorry, at that point, I'M more important. Call me selfish me if you want, but I judge you hard for that statement.

kimheartsscott

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion? : Are you fucking kidding me? I was told I would DIE if I attempted the 4th month. I'm sorry, at that point, I'M more important. Call me selfish me if you want, but I judge you hard for that statement.
Posted by cupcakesfrosting[/QUOTE]

<div>*high five*</div>

mica178

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[QUOTE]I also believe abortion is wrong in any case. And I think it's rather selfish of the woman getting the abortion even in the case that it's a medical risk to her. Women used to consider it an honor to die so their children could live.
Posted by Hippinhipster[/QUOTE]

<div>Oh, geez.  There are cases where the mother could die but the fetus is not yet viable, like ectopic pregnancy.  The mother could say that she refuses the treatment, but then she'd die, and the fetus would not survive.  Is that better?  Even we Catholics think that treating ectopic pregnancy (the unfortunately by-product would be termination of the pregnancy) is the correct thing to do.  </div>

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]I also believe abortion is wrong in any case. And I think it's rather selfish of the woman getting the abortion even in the case that it's a medical risk to her. <strong>Women used to consider it an honor to die so their children could live.
</strong>Posted by Hippinhipster[/QUOTE]

WTF is wrong with you.  This is not 17fucking92 and I'd like to think that women's rights have extended beyond them simply being carriers for their husband's seed and to spit out the resulting babies regardless of the impact on their own health.  Would you say that to a woman who was just raped?  You moron. 

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]I also believe abortion is wrong in any case. And I think it's rather selfish of the woman getting the abortion even in the case that it's a medical risk to her. Women used to consider it an honor to die so their children could live.
Posted by Hippinhipster[/QUOTE]

This is probably the most judgmental thing I have ever seen on here.

I really hope you are never put in a position where you would have to make a decision like this, and assuming from your view, im sure you never have.

Women have abortions for all sorts of reasons.  Not all of them are selfish.  And in fact, sometimes the reasons are pretty self-LESS. 

Its easy to point the finger and judge when you have never been faced with an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy.  I hope you dont get a nose bleed being so high up on that horse of yours.

jasmineh7777

I don't believe in late term or partial birth abortions. I don't believe that abortion should be used as a birth control method, or should be considered except in extraordinary circumstances.

 I don't believe it's my job to pass judgement on someone who has a difficult choice to make. I think if the choice is NOT difficult (with the exception of extraordinary circumstances) than that woman needs to reevaluate her choices in regards to preventative measures.

That being said, I don't think the government should take away a woman's right to choose.

DeadUtopia

So, I got arrested for a parking ticket, and while I was being held waiting to get out, they put me in this room with like 15 other chicks who were in there for actual serious reasons. Some were for drugs, prostitution, drunk driving etc...anyway, during the random conversations that I was secretly listening in on, one of the drug chicks admitted to having an abortion recently. Some of the other girls started bitching at her about it, blah blah. To them she replied, I'm running the streets and addicted to drugs, what kind of mother would I be? I've always been pro-choice, but this just validated my opinion. Of course, the more appealing choice for her would have been to quit using and give the baby up for adoption, but that's not always the route that people take. I agree with pp's who've said that abortion is NOT a form of birth control, and there should be a timeframe that it is limited to. Here in TX, I THINK it's 16-18 weeks, but I'm not concrete on that. I also don't believe that the gov't should have the right to tell a rape victim, or an addict, or a 13 year old, or a homeless woman, or someone who just doesn't want a baby that they can't abort. I would personally not ever get an abortion unless my life depended on it or if I knew that my child was going to be born with such an abnormality or terminal illness that being born would just cause suffering, but I can't speak for everyone. NO ONE can speak for everyone. I am going to go against the grain and say that I don't necessarily think the father should HAVE to consent only because if there is a disagreement and a woman is forced to go through with a pregnancy against her will, then things would still end up bad. And no one can tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to unplanned pregnancy, as me and FI are on our third little monster...I'm literally due in the next few days. Our oldest, our daughter, was the result of St. Patty's day and was the first time that me and FI ever...consummated (lol) our relationship. TMI, I know, but I was 21 and broke and working for minimum wage and scared shitless, and more than once abortion crossed my mind. FI told me that he would support whatever choice I made, but when it came down to it, obviously I chose to keep my child and don't regret it for a second. But I know how terrifying it is and how scared a normal person has to be to even consider such a thing, and I don't think that that right should be taken away from women. The gov't bitches about people on assistance and unplanned pregnancies, yet they want to pull funds from the only organization who gives lower income families the birth control they need and they want to make abortions illegal? Doesn't make sense. Grrr...now I'm frustrated and ranting. I think I'll stop. But you guys get my drift. lol

Hippinhipster

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion? : Are you fucking kidding me? I was told I would DIE if I attempted the 4th month. I'm sorry, at that point, I'M more important. Call me selfish me if you want, but I judge you hard for that statement.
Posted by cupcakesfrosting[/QUOTE]

She asked for a judgment call by asking this question!  So I gave it. You can judge me for it if you like... go for it. All of you have the right to state your opinions as you did... and I should be able to state mine. And abortion is never going to be illegal I know that... so you have the right to get one if you want but you can't expect everyone in the world to be supportive of it.

And for the whole "you could die" thing... I know 2 women that were told when pregnant they might die if they stay pregnant and were advised to get an abortion. One refused and one got the abortion. The one that refused had complications and was on bed rest for 6 months. She had problems with the delivery and she and the baby were in the hospital for several weeks. They're both healthy now and she is so happy she took the risk because she would have never had her daughter. The one that got the abortion regrets it now and wishes everyday she would have taken the risk in the chance she'd have a child of her own. And no I'VE never been in this situation and hope I never have to be but if I do I would take the risk no matter how small... I don't want the regret and I don't want to always wonder "what if"

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion? : She asked for a judgment call by asking this question!  So I gave it. You can judge me for it if you like... go for it. All of you have the right to state your opinions as you did... and I should be able to state mine. And abortion is never going to be illegal I know that... so you have the right to get one if you want but you can't expect everyone in the world to be supportive of it.Posted by Hippinhipster[/QUOTE]

She actually asked who should decide whether or not a pregnant woman should get an abortion.  She didnt ask why you thought of women who got one.

But you are right, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, just as everyone else is allowed to react to it.  There are women on these boards who have had abortions and dont like being called selfish.  To you the situation may be hypothetical, to them it is real and I think its pretty ignorant on your part to be so judgy about it.   Especially not knowing their situation.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion? : She asked for a judgment call by asking this question!  So I gave it. You can judge me for it if you like... go for it. All of you have the right to state your opinions as you did... and I should be able to state mine. And abortion is never going to be illegal I know that... so you have the right to get one if you want but you can't expect everyone in the world to be supportive of it. And for the whole "you could die" thing... I know 2 women that were told when pregnant they might die if they stay pregnant and were advised to get an abortion. One refused and one got the abortion. The one that refused had complications and was on bed rest for 6 months. She had problems with the delivery and she and the baby were in the hospital for several weeks. They're both healthy now and she is so happy she took the risk because she would have never had her daughter. The one that got the abortion regrets it now and wishes everyday she would have taken the risk in the chance she'd have a child of her own. And no I'VE never been in this situation and hope I never have to be but if I do I would take the risk no matter how small... I don't want the regret and I don't want to always wonder "what if"
Posted by Hippinhipster[/QUOTE]

Nobody gives a f*ck that you aren't in favor for abortions.  What people are riled up about is that you seem to think a woman should feel "honored" to die for a child that may or may not even be a viable birth.  And that all women who get abortions are selfish.  I will ask again - do you consider a woman who was raped and gets pregnant selfish for not wanting to birth a rape baby?

jaycee7389

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[QUOTE] I know 2 women that were told when pregnant they might die if they stay pregnant and were advised to get an abortion. One refused and one got the abortion. The one that refused had complications and was on bed rest for 6 months. She had problems with the delivery and she and the baby were in the hospital for several weeks.<strong> They're both healthy now and she is so happy she took the risk because she would have never had her daughter.</strong> The one that got the abortion regrets it now and wishes everyday she would have taken the risk in the chance she'd have a child of her own.
Posted by Hippinhipster[/QUOTE]

i have heard of cases such as this before, and they are wonderful. but you expect women to carry a pregnancy after being told they will probably die and the baby will also, just in the hopes of being one of those miracle cases? that's crazy i'm sorry.

and as blue said, you were asked about women's rights, not to judge the women who believe in women's rights. big difference.

so what do you think about war? do you believe that killing in war is okay? because i find that hypocritical personally.

manychihuahuas

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-should-decide-whether-not-pregnant-woman-can-abortion?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:ab4bb5f7-4931-41b2-b246-5d3e73fc1db9Post:3700f1dc-e87e-46c0-bb56-95c68ed3b896">Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion? : Are you fucking kidding me? I was told I would DIE if I attempted the 4th month. I'm sorry, at that point, I'M more important. Call me selfish me if you want, but I judge you hard for that statement.
Posted by cupcakesfrosting[/QUOTE]

I join you in the judging.  Wow.....

cupcakesfrosting

Just to clarify, I wasn't told I COULD die. I was told I WOULD. I was already dying.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_think-should-decide-whether-not-pregnant-woman-can-abortion?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:ab4bb5f7-4931-41b2-b246-5d3e73fc1db9Post:6b84a147-244f-4314-8ada-25f7aa7c837b">Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion?</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you think should decide whether or not a pregnant woman can get an abortion? : She asked for a judgment call by asking this question!  So I gave it. You can judge me for it if you like... go for it. All of you have the right to state your opinions as you did... and I should be able to state mine. And abortion is never going to be illegal I know that... so you have the right to get one if you want but you can't expect everyone in the world to be supportive of it. And for the whole "you could die" thing... I know 2 women that were told when pregnant they might die if they stay pregnant and were advised to get an abortion. One refused and one got the abortion. The one that refused had complications and was on bed rest for 6 months. She had problems with the delivery and she and the baby were in the hospital for several weeks. They're both healthy now and she is so happy she took the risk because she would have never had her daughter. The one that got the abortion regrets it now and wishes everyday she would have taken the risk in the chance she'd have a child of her own. And no I'VE never been in this situation and hope I never have to be but if I do I would take the risk no matter how small... I don't want the regret and I don't want to always wonder "what if"
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That's great and all, but no one is arguing either of them SHOULD have aborted. Most people are arguing that the woman herself should be able to make the choice whether or not to abort. And honestly, I'm offended that you think I should die for my possibly but possibly not viable child. While having to abort would be a sad situation indeed, I can tell you with certainty that my husband would rather have me here, healthy and alive, than raise  a possibly premature baby alone. Or end up with neither a wife nor a baby. YMMV. But that's the point. People make <em>choices </em>that are best for them, their individual situations, and their beliefs. As it should be.

PS, I can give anecdotal evidence of people who have had abortions and not regretted it for a second.