Liability on a whole new level

chelseamb11

http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/22/11797573-could-you-be-sued-for-texting-with-a-driver-experts-say-maybe?lite

CN: Basically, people are potentially able to sue someone who SENT a text message to someone who was driving if that driver caused an accident because of reading that text or replying.  It's considered aiding in the crime. 


What the mother eff?  So we're supposed to just stop texting all together on the chance they might be driving?  What if I want to text someone with the intent that the read it when they get home?

Here comes another load of frivolous lawsuits.

lbarr088

Because clearly I know when all of my family/friends are in the car and can avoid texting during those times......  

People are ridiculous and SO sue-happy nowadays it really makes me crazy.

aragx6

I think they could only go after you if you knowingly text someone who is driving -- and it's unclear that this will even hold up.

kd.joseph

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[QUOTE]Because clearly I know when all of my family/friends are in the car and can avoid texting during those times......   <strong>People are ridiculous and SO sue-happy nowadays it really makes me crazy.
</strong>Posted by lbarr088[/QUOTE]

This, people just refuse to take responsibility for their own actions. I can hear I have a message as I drive, it up to me to not look at it until I park!

AllAboutTheBenjamin

I never knowingly send texts to people that are driving.  Like if it's between 6pm and 620pm, I'm not going to text Ben, because he's driving home from work.  And I don't text my mom when I know she's driving around in Fargo. 

But yeah, I don't think I should be sued if I send a text to someone who is driving, because even though I know of some times people are driving, there is no way I could always know when people are driving.  I don't have flucking ESP or someshit.

Blueyed228

This is the dumbest shiiit I have heard in a long time and just reinforces my belief that the Government needs to stay the eff out of my business.

LetsHikeToday

This is stupid. It is the drivers responsibility to not respond to texts. Besides, who knows who is in the car. I don't even know when my husband is in the car because his schedule is always different. I'm not a mind reader.

maratea

I couldn't read the whole article because I got so pissed. Seriously, WHATTHEFUCK people?

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]I couldn't read the whole article because I got so pissed. Seriously, WHATTHEFUCK people?
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

Know what is even sadder?  There are people out there who will back this.  Because damn the whole individual rights crap, we need SOMEONE to tell us how to live!  Might as well be the Govt!!

AllAboutTheBenjamin

Why don't we just sue cell phone providers.  Without these phones, no one would text and drive or send texts to people who are driving.

WAIT.  Who invented the cell phone in the first place?  OFF WITH HIS HEAD.

Starmusica

blue- i am curious- how is this about the government? because of the law stating no texting and driving? If this case comes down this way- it doesn't mean it will hold up on appeal.

maratea

I equate this with a situation like:

serial killer murders a woman (jane). Jane's family sues serial killer AND anyone who ever looked at him the wrong way, because that may have fed into his obvious mental health issues.

Ugh, this is so friggin dumb I can't even comprehend the stupidity.

cheeseandrice

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[QUOTE]Why don't we just sue cell phone providers.  Without these phones, no one would text and drive or send texts to people who are driving. WAIT.  Who invented the cell phone in the first place?  OFF WITH HIS HEAD.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

Wouldn't be surprised. People have sued and won against fast food restaurants for producing the crap that made them fat.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]blue- i am curious- how is this about the government? because of the law stating no texting and driving? If this case comes down this way- it doesn't mean it will hold up on appeal.
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

Because a judge is going to decide this. 

Blueyed228

And yes Star- also because of the no texting while driving law in the first place.

lbarr088

It really makes my blood boil.  No one accepts the full responsibility for their actions anymore.  It's always someone else causing something, or doing something.  NO a-hole... you texted while driving and rear ended someone, or went off the road or what have you.  It is YOUR fault for not having enough self control to wait until your vehicle was at least stopped.  I swear, everyone is handed a gold star and given a pat on the head nowadays that it has completely wiped out anyone's ability to take responsibility for anything.  We are all so super special and awesome!  

cheeseandrice

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[QUOTE]blue- i am curious- how is this about the government? because of the law stating no texting and driving? If this case comes down this way- it doesn't mean it will hold up on appeal.
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

How is it not about the government??

chelseamb11

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[QUOTE]And yes Star- also because of the no texting while driving law in the first place.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I think it's a perfectly valid law (texting and driving is worse than driving drunk studies have shown), I just think the ONLY person responsible in this situation is the dumbass who reads and/or responds to the text while driving.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : I think it's a perfectly valid law (texting and driving is worse than driving drunk studies have shown), I just think the ONLY person responsible in this situation is the dumbass who reads and/or responds to the text while driving.
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

I think its crap.  You are just as distracted picking your nose, playing with the radio, doing your makeup, reading the newpaper, drinking your coffee, fixing your hair, jerking off, etc while driving.

SereJane

I think no texting while driving laws are perfectly valid but like AATB said I have no way of knowing all the times someone might be driving. I don't purposely text people while they're driving but I don't always know what they're up to so to be 'aiding in a crime' in doing so is absolutely ridiculous.

Starmusica

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : Because a judge is going to decide this. 
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

This isn't the government interfering with people's lives. The judge will  be deciding this on the specific facts of this case. This is why I HATE HATE HATE articles like this. Even if the judge for some reason finds liability here, that does not translate into a national no text or get sued rule. Now if a legislature passed a LAW like that- that's interference.

Starmusica

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[QUOTE]And yes Star- also because of the no texting while driving law in the first place.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


how is it different than drinking and driving laws?

lbarr088

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : I think its crap.  You are just as distracted picking your nose, playing with the radio, doing your makeup, reading the newpaper, drinking your coffee, fixing your hair, jerking off, etc while driving.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

<div>Add switching the radio station.  I almost rear-ended someone the other day.  Next vehicle will have all of the controls on the steering wheel.</div>

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : This isn't the government interfering with people's lives. The judge will  be deciding this on the specific facts of this case. This is why I HATE HATE HATE articles like this. Even if the judge for some reason finds liability here, that does not translate into a national no text or get sued rule. Now if a legislature passed a LAW like that- that's interference.
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

If the judge finds her guilty, he is setting precedent for any and all other cases like this.

cheeseandrice

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : how is it different than drinking and driving laws?
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

If you're drinking, you're impared that entire time. 

I can respond to a quick text message while I'm at a red light, and then put the phone back down for the 10 minute drive.

Drinking and driving is not the same as texting and driving.

And for that matter, why not ban eating food while driving? or smoking? or listening to the radio? or talking to passengers? Those can all be just as distracting.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : how is it different than drinking and driving laws?
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

Because when you are under the influence of alcohol there is a biological/physical/whatever you want to call it type of change to your body.

That is different than being distracted.  I think mothers trying to take care of their kids in the back seat looking for a dropped bottle/paci/toy are worse than texters.

mehgank

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : how is it different than drinking and driving laws?
Posted by Starmusica[/QUOTE]

The article in the OP reminded me of the drunk driving laws that site the bar for getting the person drunk in the first place and not cutting them off before they get behind the wheel. Not entirely the same, but it's the first thing that came to my mind.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : The article in the OP reminded me of the drunk driving laws that site the bar for getting the person drunk in the first place and not cutting them off before they get behind the wheel. Not entirely the same, but it's the first thing that came to my mind.
Posted by mehgank[/QUOTE]

Yes!

Because of the strict drunk driving laws in my state, when I was bartending, if a patron came to my bar and I served him 1 beer and he went somewhere else, got wasted and killed someone, I could get arrested for it and be liable.  All he has to say is that he was at my bar and I served him.  Its ridiculous.

My husband who manages a large nightclub, has to go to court once a week for shiiit like this where people are trying to hold the club/bars responsible for their actions.

Like we are supposed to babysit you all the way to your house.  We already cut people off, pay for cab fare etc.  We cannot monitor the actions of 2000 people when they decide to go to a club.

LetsHikeToday

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : Yes! Because of the strict drunk driving laws in my state, when I was bartending, if a patron came to my bar and I served him 1 beer and he went somewhere else, got wasted and killed someone, I could get arrested for it and be liable.  All he has to say is that he was at my bar and I served him.  Its ridiculous. My husband who manages a large nightclub, has to go to court once a week for shiiit like this where people are trying to hold the club/bars responsible for their actions. Like we are supposed to babysit you all the way to your house.  We already cut people off, pay for cab fare etc.  We cannot monitor the actions of 2000 people when they decide to go to a club.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]



Do bartenders actually get int trouble for that??

Starmusica

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : Yes! Because of the strict drunk driving laws in my state, when I was bartending, if a patron came to my bar and I served him 1 beer and he went somewhere else, got wasted and killed someone, I could get arrested for it and be liable.  All he has to say is that he was at my bar and I served him.  Its ridiculous. My husband who manages a large nightclub, has to go to court once a week for shiiit like this where people are trying to hold the club/bars responsible for their actions. Like we are supposed to babysit you all the way to your house.  We already cut people off, pay for cab fare etc.  We cannot monitor the actions of 2000 people when they decide to go to a club.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


it's not QUITE like that. If you served one, he could certainly accuse you guys of overserving but more proof would be needed. So if he went elsewhere and was overserved- that place would end up liable.

It's such a WEIRD law. Laws like this crap are the EXACT reason I avoid being a litigator. I don't want clients who bring in bullsh*t cases like this. I agree with you whole heartedly that people need to take more responsibility for their actions..

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Liability on a whole new level : Do bartenders actually get int trouble for that??
Posted by LetsHikeToday[/QUOTE]

Yes