Obama's Press Conference.

crash2729

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : Agree. The Ground Zero gathering is moving and emotional. The mobs outside the White House waving at the camera just portray us in a completely unflattering light, IMO.
Posted by ConKFA319[/QUOTE]

I second this.

thesuninherhead

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : Yup.  I specifically remember seeing the dead bodies of US Soldiers being dragged through the streets and hung up. But sure.  <strong>WE are the barbaric ones and should be more considerate of their feelings.</strong>
<p>Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]</p><p>It's not about being considerate of their feelings in the slightest- it's about having the insight to realise that brazen, crazy celebrations of Osama's killing are going to add fuel to the terrorism fire rather than dampen it. </p><p> </p><p>No one is debating that crowds gathering to remember and mourn the deaths of those involved in this war are anything but appropriate.</p>

ConKFA319

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : Where were the photos published? In an American magazine?
Posted by sb9411[/QUOTE]

<div>Yeah. I remember them being in People, Us Weekly, and a few others. They were quite grisly, too. </div>

sb9411

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[QUOTE]And I guess im alone in thinking that I dont give a rats asss what the rest of the world thinks about this celebration. 
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

As it's been said so eloquently in the past "Haters gonna hate."
Terrorists aren't going to see the celebration and say "wow-now, I really want to get those Americans." They are thinking it anyway. The celebration does not impact them in the least. I'm sure.

cardmonsta

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : It's not about being considerate of their feelings in the slightest- it's about having the insight to realise that brazen, crazy celebrations of Osama's killing are going to add fuel to the terrorism fire rather than dampen it.    No one is debating that crowds gathering to remember and mourn the deaths of those involved in this war are anything but appropriate.
Posted by thesuninherhead[/QUOTE]

<div>Yes.</div>

sb9411

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : Yeah. I remember them being in People, Us Weekly, and a few others. They were quite grisly, too. 
Posted by ConKFA319[/QUOTE]
Luckily, I missed that.

pixiedust84

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : That's why I believe it should be difficult for people to say that the US would be coming across as barbaric. People may be celebrating in the streets, but they aren't carrying the dead bodies of the terrorists as they carried our bodies through the streets.
Posted by sb9411[/QUOTE]

Agreed, which is why I'm able to remain a proud American. We would never do that. Sadly though with selective media coverage and propaganda we will still be seen in a certain way.

I guess my earlier point wasn't that our country is barbaric but it comes down to human nature. Fortunately we have a government that would not sink to the level of releasing a body to the public, but if they did I'm certain that people would rip it to shreds and that to me is disheartening. I'm not saying that Bin Laden deserves any sort of respect at all but I am glad that his body will be treated in a way that allows us not to sink to their level.

ConKFA319

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : Luckily, I missed that.
Posted by sb9411[/QUOTE]

<div>Very luckily. I was an adult who saw them and was horrified by them. I get that they were our enemy - believe me, I get that - but to publicly display their corpses, almost as trophies, was in bad taste to say the very least.</div>

sarah0725

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[QUOTE]And I guess im alone in thinking that I dont give a rats asss what the rest of the world thinks about this celebration. 
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I'm kinda there with you, except for me it's that I'm very deep in my own feelings, and I'm not yet ready to analyze/judge other people's feelings. I think if I were in DC or NY right now, I'd probably go outside just to be with other people, because this is a time to do that - instead I'm alone in Wisconsin with the cats. I don't really feel like celebrating. I'm feeling pretty solemn. But I'm not going to worry too much about how the rest of the world feels about us right now.

While I agree with you that it shouldn't be a victory for either political "side", I do feel a sense of warmth for Obama tonight, especially after the week he's had where he had to release his birth certificate. So many people have questioned whether he has a legitimate right to be President (and I'm not talking about you here) and whether he loves this country, and I hope that at least a few of them have softer feelings tonight.

sb9411

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : Agreed, which is why I'm able to remain a proud American. We would never do that. Sadly though with selective media coverage and propaganda we will still be seen in a certain way. I guess my earlier point wasn't that our country is barbaric but it comes down to human nature. Fortunately we have a government that would not sink to the level of releasing a body to the public, but if they did I'm certain that people would rip it to shreds and that to me is disheartening. I'm not saying that Bin Laden deserves any sort of respect at all but I am glad that his body will be treated in a way that allows us not to sink to their level.
Posted by pixiedust84[/QUOTE]
Though we have a country where many people would tear him to shreds his body was in the streets, not that that is a good thing, but it would be an emotional response to losses we all suffered.
The real problem is that many of the people that practice "jihad" would send their children into public areas strapped with bombs to kill people. We will never sink to their level.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : It's not about being considerate of their feelings in the slightest-<strong><u> it's about having the insight to realise that brazen, crazy celebrations of Osama's killing are going to add fuel to the terrorism fire rather than dampen it.</u></strong>    No one is debating that crowds gathering to remember and mourn the deaths of those involved in this war are anything but appropriate.
Posted by thesuninherhead[/QUOTE]

I guess I would just argue that people need to gain the insight that terrorists already hate America, our values, our lifestyle and will always want to kill us.  Taking out Bin Laden in my eyes will not fuel the fire.  To me it will teach them that if you are going to mess with us for no reason, we are going to take you out.  Period.

I also find it hard to believe that if a group pulled off a mass murder of Australian citizens, and 10 years later you found the mastermind and took him out, that people would not be celebrating.

K Byte

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[QUOTE]And I guess im alone in thinking that I dont give a rats asss what the rest of the world thinks about this celebration. 
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
I don't particularly care either :D I'd stay and talk but I need to get to bed. I guess I can sum up what I think by stating, it's not going to make much of a difference to the terrorists and would-be terrorists how or if Americans are celebrating Osama's death. They would want to attack us no matter what, because that's how terrorists operate. They hate America and everything we stand for.

The military, CIA, and the president knew that capturing or killing Bin Laden would, in and of itself, cause there to be possibly increased terrorist activity and I'm sure they've taken the appropriate steps to prevent any attacks.

pixiedust84

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : Though we have a country where many people would tear him to shreds his body was in the streets, not that that is a good thing, but it would be an emotional response to losses we all suffered. The real problem is that many of the people that practice "jihad" would send their children into public areas strapped with bombs to kill people. <strong>We will never sink to their level.</strong>
Posted by sb9411[/QUOTE]

I absolutely agree and am so very glad for that.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : I don't particularly care either :D I'd stay and talk but I need to get to bed. I guess I can sum up what I think by stating, it's not going to make much of a difference to the terrorists and would-be terrorists how or if Americans are celebrating Osama's death. They would want to attack us no matter what, because that's how terrorists operate. They hate America and everything we stand for. The military, CIA, and the president knew that capturing or killing Bin Laden would, in and of itself, cause there to be possibly increased terrorist activity and I'm sure they've taken the appropriate steps to prevent any attacks.
Posted by K Byte[/QUOTE]

Agreed.  I dont for a second think it will end terrorism.  But we certainly dealt their operation a big blow with this.  It will take awhile for them to reorganize and be able to attempt something major.

thesuninherhead

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. : I guess I would just argue that people need to gain the insight that terrorists already hate America, our values, our lifestyle and will always want to kill us.  Taking out Bin Laden in my eyes will not fuel the fire.  To me it will teach them that if you are going to mess with us for no reason, we are going to take you out.  Period. I also find it hard to believe that if a group pulled off a mass murder of Australian citizens, and 10 years later you found the mastermind and took him out, that people would not be celebrating.
<p>Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]</p><p> </p><p>You'll note that I said in an earlier post that I don't expect that any other country would react differently...</p><p>That doesn't make the over-zealous reaction of those pictured in front of the White House earlier today any more defensible, though.</p>

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. :   You'll note that I said in an earlier post that I don't expect that any other country would react differently... That doesn't make the over-zealous reaction of those scenes in front of the White House earlier today any more defensible, though.
Posted by thesuninherhead[/QUOTE]

I guess we can just agree to disagree.  I still dont see an issue with Americans gathering in their capital to celebrate however they see fit.  And I dont think it needs to be defended to anyone.

pixiedust84

I'm sorry ladies I have to head to bed but hugs to all. This is undeniably a big day in history and I'm glad I was able to discuss it with you.

cardmonsta

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[QUOTE]I'm sorry ladies I have to head to bed but hugs to all. This is undeniably a big day in history and I'm glad I was able to discuss it with you.
Posted by pixiedust84[/QUOTE]

<div>Same here. I'm glad I had you ladies to sort out this overwhelming experience.</div><div>
</div><div>Goodnight ladies!</div>

sb9411

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Obama's Press Conference. :   You'll note that I said in an earlier post that I don't expect that any other country would react differently... That doesn't make the over-zealous reaction of those pictured in front of the White House earlier today any more defensible, though.
Posted by thesuninherhead[/QUOTE]

I also would like to note that those people are not celebrating the death of innocent civilians... but of a true monster, whose life surrounded bringing hurt and pain to many many lives.

ConKFA319

Good night, Pixie.

I think I'm going to be turning in, myself. Good night everyone!

sb9411

Night Pixie and April :-)
ETA: and ConK.