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    Also, you do realize drug testing cost money too, so your taxes will still go to welfare.

    Here in MS you can only buy food with EBT cards and it cannot be preprep food like rotisserie chickens r B-day cakes.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_fix-budget-politics?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:ecb5754d-b30a-4ef3-ac32-f77b23426ebePost:5aec8f80-2185-45f4-a8be-393a4e05fe90">Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics) :<strong> I cant get on board with all of that.  I agree with the drug testing, however what happens if they fail?  Do we punish their kids because of the parents?  Do we take their kids away from them?  I just dont see how that would help.  I think welfare reform is needed, but more in terms of going back to food stamps etc</strong>.  In Mass, you get a debit card and can buy whatever you want with it.  They changed it so people are not embarrassed.  I think thats stupid.  I say give to the needy, but if they need money for bread, milk, and diapers, make the coupons only for bread milk and diapers.  Not alcohol and cigarettes. Also, I know some illegal immigrants, and they work and pay taxes.  Im not sure the specifics of it, but they do pay them.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    Agreed. Drug testing for welfare is good in theory, after all, I had to take a drug test to get my paycheck (when I got hired). But then we also have to foot the bill for the consequences and deal with the backlash. I don't have an answer though.

    I think all of the cities around DC would shut down if we cracked down with illegal immigrants. I think we also assume it's a lot easier to get legal entry into the country than it really is for many of these people. Sure there are a lot of shitty ones who are slackers and are milking the system, but there are a lot of others who are living with 10 people in a 2 bedroom apartment and making $2.50/hour doing manual labor.
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    I have a problem with drug testing in a lot of respects anyway. Many jobs require a pre-employment drug screen which, fine, ok. However people have been denied jobs based on their use of LEGAL, prescribed drugs simply because the drugs have a higher than average abuse rate or the employer doesn't want someone on their workforce who tests positive for, say, Oxycontin or some kind of barbituates that they might be taking after surgery or what have you.
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    [QUOTE]Also, you do realize drug testing cost money too, so your taxes will still go to welfare. Here in MS you can only buy food with EBT cards and it cannot be preprep food like rotisserie chickens r B-day cakes.
    Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

    <div>That sounds good to me.  I don't know how it all works here, to be honest. I know the grocery stores have little signs designating WIC allowed items (Women, Infant and Children.)  But I've also seen someone buy cigarettes with their EBT card.  </div><div>
    </div><div>Fun story- I got screamed at by someone when I worked at Target, because I wouldn't let her use her EBT card to pay for her (pornographic) pictures at the photo lab.  It wasn't my call anyway. the store had those registers locked out of EBT sales, as they should have.   That was the day I realized not all EBT card holders appreciate the help or understand what it's meant for. </div>
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    [QUOTE]I have a problem with drug testing in a lot of respects anyway. Many jobs require a pre-employment drug screen which, fine, ok. However people have been denied jobs based on their use of LEGAL, prescribed drugs simply because the drugs have a higher than average abuse rate or the employer doesn't want someone on their workforce who tests positive for, say, Oxycontin or some kind of barbituates that they might be taking after surgery or what have you.
    Posted by K Byte[/QUOTE]

    That sucks. I know every test I've taken has a little "enter any prescription drugs you are currently taking" box to check off but I've always been paranoid about things showing up that aren't really there.

    Once I interviewed a stellar candidate for a position and was heartbroken when his drug test came back positive. I still wonder if they screwed it up because we talked extensively about employment being reliant on a drug test and he had great recommendations from well reputed companies.
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    IDK I am biased when it comes to EBT cards and free school lunches b/c I see the benefits first hand for poor children.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics) : That sounds good to me.  I don't know how it all works here, to be honest. I know the grocery stores have little signs designating WIC allowed items (Women, Infant and Children.)  But I've also seen someone buy cigarettes with their EBT card.   Fun story- I got screamed at by someone when I worked at Target, because<strong> I wouldn't let her use her EBT card to pay for her (pornographic) pictures at the photo lab.</strong>  It wasn't my call anyway. the store had those registers locked out of EBT sales, as they should have.   That was the day I realized not all EBT card holders appreciate the help or understand what it's meant for. 
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    Welfare should be reimbursement based.

    Front families a certain amount per household member.  When they submit receipts for approved items (food, clothing, diapers, whatever is approved) then they get more money.  Simple as that.  I'd bet the submissions could even be automatic and electronic given the right infrastructure and systems to handle the data. 

    If you spend your welfare on alcohol or cigaretts you just won't ever get reimbursed and you've just lowered your allotment by that much. 
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    [QUOTE]Okay I don't think people should be drug tested to get on welfare. That's pushing a line.
    Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

    Well then I speak for what I see here in New York.

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    [QUOTE]IDK I am biased when it comes to EBT cards and free school lunches b/c I see the benefits first hand for poor children.
    Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

    Yes.  I agree with that.  I just also see the abuse that happens in states where welfare has no oversight committees.  If it is not being controlled, things get out of hand very quickly.

    Same thing with free housing.  No one checks up on those people and you end up with the person in need, plus their bf's/siblings/roomates etc who pay them rent.  Its ridiculous that there is no one watching this.
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    Every state should follow Ms's lead concerning EBT. It isn't a perfect system but it's better than NY and NJ apparently. They also encourage people to find jobs by providing daycare, transportation, education, and even buying then work clothes if needed.

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    [QUOTE]Every state should follow Ms's lead concerning EBT. It isn't a perfect system but it's better than NY and NJ apparently. They also encourage people to find jobs by providing daycare, transportation, education, and even buying then work clothes if needed.
    Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

    I agree.  I have no problem with welfare if it is being used fairly and the way it should be.  Its a huge debate here that people can buy alcohol and cigs.  The politicians wont do anything about it and people are pissed.  It would be easy to reform it by just putting limits on what people can buy.
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    The politicians won't do anything? Unbelievable :P

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    I like!
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    For a short time I was annoyed about paying into a SS system that I'd never get any of when it was my time to retire. However, if any of you have parents or grandparents who see SS benefits, then you are seeing a return, even if it's not for you. It's helping your loved ones. I know it's not the same thing, but at least for the last several years we have known that we won't receive SS and can prepare for it.

    Maybe this isn't the best comparison either but saying you don't want to pay into SS just because you won't be able to use it, is like anyone who cannot have children or chooses not to, refusing to pay school taxes. That wouldn't work out very well.

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    In the states of Missouri and Kansas the EBT card can be used for many other benefits including disability and unemployment. There are separate options in the card itself that deduct from EBT (food stamps) and EBT cash(which is pretty much everything else). I have even seen employers advertising that they can put a paycheck on these. I don't have any idea if this is also the case for other states or not but you may be surprised to find that while they are using the EBT card it is not food stamp money being used on the cigs or liquor. In fact the card is denied for all other purchase types in most stores.

    Additionally the states are saving copious amounts of money by not printing the stamps, checks, envelopes, postage and paying wages for the envelope stuffers. I am not saying the system is perfect but it does protect against those who would use these stamps for other purchases.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_fix-budget-politics?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:ecb5754d-b30a-4ef3-ac32-f77b23426ebePost:16a1a023-0acf-440f-9897-d3faea23a35f">Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Raise the cap gains percentage for people with high income? <strong> Well, that's just going to discourage investment in the stock market by the people who do it most.  </strong>People don't invest in the market because it's fun, they do it because it's going to make the most money for them from the money they have.  And, I think we've seen what happens when people start pulling money out of the markets right and left.  That's going to do a lot of harm to our economy, even though it might raise some income too.  The people who are really going to be affected by these tax changes are the ones who will plan to avoid them. 
    Posted by pirategal03[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.  I'm currently in the position where there's a mutual business interest between a company I own and a partner company.  In an ideal world they'd buy my interest out and we'd combine which would create about ten jobs and accelerate the growth of both entities.  Well, it's not going to happen because the buy out (thanks to capital gains) would need to be about double what there's money for because the f'ing taxes are so f'ing high that it needs to be that much for it to be worth it to me.  Taxes in this country are ridiculous, the harder you work, the more they take to help people who don't put in any effort.

    I'd like to see our troops brought home from most foreign campaigns, we spend more on that stuff in a month than it would take to do some serious repairs to schools, roads, etc.

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    [QUOTE]Also, I know some illegal immigrants, and they work and pay taxes.  Im not sure the specifics of it, but they do pay them.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    If they're illegal, they'd have no SS# or means of paying tax, so I don't see how that's possible unless their employer is just lying and saying they're witholding tax for them, right into the employer's pocket.

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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_fix-budget-politics?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:ecb5754d-b30a-4ef3-ac32-f77b23426ebePost:bee8116c-7c5a-4196-8697-648eab3e2bb1">Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics)</a>:
    [QUOTE]I wish I was more informed so I could effectively contribute to these conversations. That being said, I really wish social security would cease to exist or go to a private control.  Why am I paying so much of my paycheck to a system that will dissolve before I can reap the benefits?  Save for your own retirement, people.
    Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

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    </div><div>Social security can "privatize" just as soon as they send me a check for all the money I have put into it since I was 14. Anything else is theft by another name.</div>
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_fix-budget-politics?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:ecb5754d-b30a-4ef3-ac32-f77b23426ebePost:e814fbac-a3b7-49a3-a94e-e67fe81f45a3">Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics) : That sounds good to me.  I don't know how it all works here, to be honest. I know the grocery stores have little signs designating WIC allowed items (Women, Infant and Children.)  <strong>But I've also seen someone buy cigarettes with their EBT card.   Fun story- I got screamed at by someone when I worked at Target, because I wouldn't let her use her EBT card to pay for her (pornographic) pictures at the photo lab. </strong> It wasn't my call anyway. the store had those registers locked out of EBT sales, as they should have.   That was the day I realized not all EBT card holders appreciate the help or understand what it's meant for. 
    Posted by Steph0871[/QUOTE]

    <div>The EBT cards are now loaded with the cash portion of the assistance as well as what use to be called "food stamps". The $387.00 or so a month they get is on there, too and they can spend that portion on whatever.</div><div>
    </div><div>A few kids, a few hundred bucks a month in stamps, $387 - $482.00 per month cash, and maybe subsidized housing - where they pay 30% of that $387.00 for rent. I scratch my head at who would want to live like that, but it does go on for years and for generations.</div>
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_fix-budget-politics?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:ecb5754d-b30a-4ef3-ac32-f77b23426ebePost:c461efba-07c0-45d6-898c-40315044bfe5">Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics) : Yes.  I agree with that.  I just also see the abuse that happens in states where welfare has no oversight committees.  If it is not being controlled, things get out of hand very quickly. <strong>Same thing with free housing.  No one checks up on those people and you end up with the person in need, plus their bf's/siblings/roomates etc who pay them rent.  Its ridiculous that there is no one watching this.</strong>
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    <div>The housing is only outright free if someone is zero income-otherwise it is 30% of the tenants income. Subsidized housing managers do their best to look out for unauthorized people living in units, but it is very difficult to prove that is going on. The HUD auditors and inspectors who oversee the management of these properties have the same trouble.</div>
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    I would just like to say that we had damn near no federal deficit when Clinton left office.  After Bush left we had a record deficit.  Just saying, that if it took us 8 years to get here, why would you think in 2 years we'd be back in the black or anywhere near it.  Especially when we're mired down in two extremely expensive wars. 
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    [QUOTE]Of course it's possible if you click enough boxes.  The descriptions are a little short for my taste.  There are many more aspects of these things to consider than what they've got there.  So the government re-institutes the estate tax?  Great.  But if you don't take the gift tax into consideration, the estate tax is moot.  People will just gift it out before they die and maintain life estate.  Raise the cap gains percentage for people with high income?  Well, that's just going to discourage investment in the stock market by the people who do it most.  People don't invest in the market because it's fun, they do it because it's going to make the most money for them from the money they have.  And, I think we've seen what happens when people start pulling money out of the markets right and left.  That's going to do a lot of harm to our economy, even though it might raise some income too.  The people who are really going to be affected by these tax changes are the ones who will plan to avoid them. 
    Posted by pirategal03[/QUOTE]


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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics) : Marry me?
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    [QUOTE]I would just like to say that<strong><u> we had damn near no federal deficit when Clinton left office.</u></strong>  After Bush left we had a record deficit.  Just saying, that if it took us 8 years to get here, why would you think in 2 years we'd be back in the black or anywhere near it.  Especially when we're mired down in two extremely expensive wars. 
    Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

    True, but it was also widely known that Bush was going to have to deal with the downfalls economically of Clintons decisions.

    Also, it was a Democratic congress during Bushs first term (Obama was part of that congress) that pushed through a lot of things that contributed to the deficit. 

    No one expected him to put us back in the black, but no one expected him to double the deficit the way that he has.  And 2 years is enough time to stop blaming Bush.
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    Ross Perot was right all along. Too bad he's too justified and ancient to become prez.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: "You Fix the Budget" (U.S. politics) : <strong>True, but it was also widely known that Bush was going to have to deal with the downfalls economically of Clintons decisions</strong>. Also, it was a Democratic congress during Bushs first term (Obama was part of that congress) that pushed through a lot of things that contributed to the deficit.  No one expected him to put us back in the black, but no one expected him to double the deficit the way that he has.  And 2 years is enough time to stop blaming Bush.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    And so should it be known that Obama is going to have to deal with the downfalls economically of Bush's decisions.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander here.  Don't get me wrong, I'm actually pretty disappointed that he didn't spend more time focusing on the economy over health care reform when he took office due to the recession.  But I think some of the people that are so quick to jump on Obama for his spending policies are some of the same folks who were calling for patience when the backlash against the cost of the war under Dubya was occuring.
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    Agreed.  And I think that is where the divide happened.  I am one of the people who dislike his policies and overall performance, but I dislike him because of his inability to get this countries priorities straight, not because he couldnt pull off a miracle and get us back in the black the day after election.

    I didnt expect him to fix it overnight, but I did expect him to make it his number one focus so that we could at least start to fix it.  But I also knew that he was going to push through health care reform no matter what the cost was going to be.

    I just get aggravated when people think I dont like him because of unrealistic expectations if you KWIM.  I dont like him for a lot of reasons.  Publicly blaming Bush over and over is one of them.  I think he has been riding that coat tail for too long.

    Every president has inherited some kind of a mess, but not every president spent 2 years blaming the former president for their inability to do his job.
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    I have little faith in politicians in general, because of the nature of their jobs.  Nobody can make it as a high ranking, powerful politician by being honest, forthcoming and keeping all of their promises.  Period.  It's disappointing and aggrivating, but that's just the way I feel about it.  I have way more respect for people who can name legitimate and well thought-out reasons for not liking him (like you) and have a regular conversation about it rather than shouting some regurgitated talking-head malarky that they heard over on Fox News last night about how he's a secret Muslim terrorist who hates America and wants to see it become part of China ZOMG!!111

    Also, I am so glad I just got to use the word malarky. 
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