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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : You continue to ignore the fact that male prostitutes exist, and that all paid sex does not occur between heterosexuals. I don't see this as a question of right and wrong. It is exists, pretending it doesn't is pointless. Making it safer for those involved is the only thing that can be done to improve it. And what other things is society off mark on? This is an opinions thread.
    Posted by kcullen37[/QUOTE]

    I think it is just as wrong for male prostitutes and for homosexual prostitutes. I didn't mention that but I do.

    I believe society's importance on looks is wrong and the sexualization of young girls and boys is really wrong too. Example, An ad for a store near my house advertised Jr. Thongs (playboy) for 10 and 11 year olds. That's just not right. They did have to pull the ad and appologize after many complaints.

    Will things ever change, I highly doubt it. I believe things will continue to get worse and worse.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : That's what we were taught when I took my certification class. And the bar is legally responsible because they should have offered to call the person a cab home.  It is not realistic or reasonable for a bar to babysit every patron.  Honestly, it scared the crap out of me when I was bartending.  We had a corporate rule that limited the number of drinks someone could have before we had to get a manager to approve them ordering more.  Some employees hated going through the trouble, I liked covering my ass.
    Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]

    I cut people off a lot. I don't care about the money, I don't want to get sued. I've been threatened, had things thrown at me and yelled at because I wouldn't serve someone. I don't care if the person beside you can handle 10241342 drinks before getting drunk, you clearly can't even handle one. Obviously not you, it's a general you lol.

    My favourite is when they "demand" to see my boss or go upstairs and try and order drinks from the restaurant. The basement was the bar, upstairs was a restaurant. I have a phone and I can just tell them not to serve you :P
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I think it is just as wrong for male prostitutes and for homosexual prostitutes. I didn't mention that but I do.<strong> I believe society's importance on looks is wrong and the sexualization of young girls and boys is really wrong too.</strong> Example, An ad for a store near my house advertised Jr. Thongs (playboy) for 10 and 11 year olds. That's just not right. They did have to pull the ad and appologize after many complaints. Will things ever change, I highly doubt it. I believe things will continue to get worse and worse.
    Posted by blush64[/QUOTE]
    These are 2 different things. The importance placed on phyiscal appearance is biologically coded in to us, and somewhat influenced by cultural norms. I don't think anyone here would agree with the sexualization of children, but that has nothing to do with prostitution. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Before I started working at the bar this couple got drunk and wanted to leave. The owner offered them a ride, they said no. He called them a cab and said it'd be there in five minutes. It's a REALLY small town, she was dropping someone else off and coming straight there. He turned his back to talk to someone else and the couple got in their vehicle and sped off. My soon to be boss chased them and tried to get them to stop. On the highway to the reserve, the guy DRIVING decided to roll a joint. They swerved off the road and hit a pole and died. But it's the bars fault.
    Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

    Wow...just wow.  I agree that the bartender should try to get people not to drive (also part of our TIPS training), but it seems like this guy did that.  Had he done anymore he would have been arrested for assault!
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  • ASV-In Boston, the club/bar is responsible for the person basically until they get home.  If they are too drunk to drive the bar is supposed to pay for a cab or call the cops.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I would be really interested to see this too.  I think it could go either way. The point im trying to make is that I dont think we should make drugs legal for recreational use.  <strong>I dont see how you can claim that 1 type of drug is ok to use, but another one isnt.</strong>  And i would be angry if all of a sudden pot became legal and readily available for everyone to use. ETA: I also recognzie that it may or may not be an UO and not everyone is going to agree with  me.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    I'm picking up what you're laying down.

    A line is drawn, and then it moves....where does it stop?

    I just can't justify the expense our legal system absorbs to fight the use of pot. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : As far as I know, there are similar laws here.  They may not be as harsh, but if you leave a bar and get a DUI (or worse, get in an accident and hurt/kill someone) the bar can be brought up on charges.  The tripping thing is absurd. <strong> I've tripped and cut myself dead sober.</strong> 
    Posted by Sweded[/QUOTE]

    Even the cop who had to do all the dirty work said it was ridiculous. He trips on that spot all the time and it's for the town to fix it not the bar.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I cut people off a lot. I don't care about the money, I don't want to get sued. I've been threatened, had things thrown at me and yelled at because I wouldn't serve someone. I don't care if the person beside you can handle 10241342 drinks before getting drunk, you clearly can't even handle one. Obviously not you, it's a general you lol. My favourite is when they "demand" to see my boss or go upstairs and try and order drinks from the restaurant. The basement was the bar, upstairs was a restaurant. I have a phone and I can just tell them not to serve you :P
    Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]
    When I worked at a liquor store, I ID'd everyone and refused to sell to people who were visibly intoxicated (because it's against the law). I had people get so mad, swear at me, etc. But I didn't want to get in trouble and I didn't want the store to get in trouble. Be mad at me all you want, I like the boss and I like my job. And I had a woman bitch me out because I wouldn't let her bring her 5-year-old granddaughter in the store to help her carry her beer to the counter. DUMBASS, I will help you carry it, that's kinda what I'm here for. What part of "Under 21 not allowed in the store" don't you understand?
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I would be really interested to see this too.  I think it could go either way. The point im trying to make is that I dont think we should make drugs legal for recreational use.  I dont see how you can claim that 1 type of drug is ok to use, but another one isnt.  And i would be angry if all of a sudden pot became legal and readily available for everyone to use. ETA: I also recognzie that it may or may not be an UO and not everyone is going to agree with  me.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    Pot is already readily available.  For me, making it legal over harder drugs comes down to one thing:  You can't overdose and die on pot.  At least, I've never heard of it happening and it can't be very common if it has. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I would be really interested to see this too.  I think it could go either way. The point im trying to make is that I dont think we should make drugs legal for recreational use.  <strong>I dont see how you can claim that 1 type of drug is ok to use, but another one isnt.</strong>  And i would be angry if all of a sudden pot became legal and readily available for everyone to use. ETA: I also recognzie that it may or may not be an UO and not everyone is going to agree with  me.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    I agree with this, actually. But it's already being done. It's ok to take acetaminophen, or drink alcohol, or prescribed opiates because the government says so. Even caffeine and nicotine are drugs.

    It almost seems silly to me that a plant which grows naturally from the earth has been made illegal.

    So if you can't claim that one is ok and one isn't, then the government either needs to make them all illegal or make them all legal.
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    [QUOTE]90% of cocaine users used marijuana before trying cocaine And more than 95% of heroin users are said to have used pot first. Sure that doesnt mean that all pot smoker will go on to other  drugs, but it does suggest that those who do go on to other drugs did in fact start with pot.  i dont think those statistics should be dismissed.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


    Disclaimer: I have no statistics to back up what I'm going to say. This is purely speculation and opinion.

    I think most people smoke pot first because 1) it's pretty easy to aquire, and 2) it's a lot cheaper than coke.  Assuming that the median age of someone trying drugs for the first time is about 16, they probably don't have the financial resources to afford anything other than pot.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Pot is already readily available.  For me, making it legal over harder drugs comes down to one thing:  You can't overdose and die on pot.  At least, I've never heard of it happening and it can't be very common if it has. 
    Posted by Sweded[/QUOTE]

    There are lots of things that are illegal that you cant die from.  It doesnt mean we should go and make them legal.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I cut people off a lot. I don't care about the money, I don't want to get sued. I've been threatened, had things thrown at me and yelled at because I wouldn't serve someone. I don't care if the person beside you can handle 10241342 drinks before getting drunk, you clearly can't even handle one. Obviously not you, it's a general you lol. My favourite is when they "demand" to see my boss or go upstairs and try and order drinks from the restaurant. The basement was the bar, upstairs was a restaurant. I have a phone and I can just tell them not to serve you :P
    Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

    Been there.

    I was very lucky to have managers that would either respect my judgement, or take responsibility for the situation if they disagreed with me.
    I hope you have that.
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    [QUOTE]ASV-In Boston, the club/bar is responsible for the person basically until they get home.  If they are too drunk to drive the bar is supposed to pay for a cab or call the cops.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    He tried.. Even after they get home, the bar can still be responsible here.  At least, the liquor board tries to make them responsible.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I agree with this, actually. But it's already being done. It's ok to take acetaminophen, or drink alcohol, or prescribed opiates because the government says so. Even caffeine and nicotine are drugs. It almost seems silly to me that a plant which grows naturally from the earth has been made illegal. So if you can't claim that one is ok and one isn't, then the government either needs to make them all illegal or make them all legal.
    Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

    So are you saying that because its legal for medical purposes than it should be legal for all purposes?
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I'm picking up what you're laying down. A line is drawn, and then it moves....where does it stop? <strong>I just can't justify the expense our legal system absorbs to fight the use of pot.</strong> 
    Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]

    I can't either.  I agree that if you move the line once, that just opens it up to be moved again.  I guess I just can't wrap my head around why pot crosses the line but alcohol doesn't.  To me, they seem like they should be on the same level. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : He tried.. Even after they get home, the bar can still be responsible here.  At least, the liquor board tries to make them responsible.
    Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

    Same here.  The liquor board here is obnoxious.  Its always everyones fault except the adult who chose to make all the decisions for himself that he did.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : These are 2 different things. The importance placed on phyiscal appearance is biologically coded in to us, and somewhat influenced by cultural norms. <strong>I don't think anyone here would agree with the sexualization of children</strong>, but that has nothing to do with prostitution. 
    Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

    This. But I don't think she was lumping these two items in with prostitution, I asked her for what other opinions she had and she was listing them. I took them as separate from the prostitution debate.

    I will say I don't think the sexualization of children is anything new though. Just look at Michael Jackson when he was in the Jackson 5 singing songs about love and tell girls to "shake it, shake it baby". I mean it was far more innocent than Toddlers in Tiaras, but the sexualization of children did just start up overnight.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Been there. I was very lucky to have managers that would either respect my judgement, or take responsibility for the situation if they disagreed with me. I hope you have that.
    Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]

    Yeah I did. It was one reason why I liked working there. Nobody questioned the bartender. The restaurant would always call downstairs first before serving alcohol, they had to anyway since I had to make whatever drink unless it was beer. I had one guy get pissed off and went upstairs to my boss' apartment and demand that I serve him. My boss shrugged said it was my call and I had a reason for it. If he didn't like it, go somewhere else. Which was funny because every other bar in town has closed down and the liquor store was closed :)
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : So are you saying that because its legal for medical purposes than it should be legal for all purposes?
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    Which? marijuana?

    No, I'm going by where you said that you don't see how someone can claim that some drugs are ok and some are not. But that's exactly what the government/FDA does here.

    All those things I mentioned, many of them chemically engineered are made legal, including things like caffeine (which is not medical). Yet you have something like marijuana that is just a naturally occuring plant, which is made illegal.

    It just seems weird to me.
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    I'm sure everyone is getting tired of the Marijuana-Alcohol comparison, but I feel many of these points that we are discussing could be relevant to what was discussed during prohibition and the repeal.

    ETA: I don't think I mean relevant, I mean parallel or akin to.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Same here.  The liquor board here is obnoxious.  Its always everyones fault except the adult who chose to make all the decisions for himself that he did.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    Yup, it annoys me. If a 40 year old doesn't know their limit and needs a babysitter that's their problem. I'm not a professional "decision-maker". If I make a stupid decision, I have to deal with the consequences not everyone else so why should people at bars get that priviledge? It annoys me how "babied" society has become and sue happy.

    I slipped on ice at the school first thing in the morning. Sure, the school could have salted or put sand down but it was a freak storm and it was early. I wasn't wearing proper foot wear and wasn't watching where I was walking. That's my fault, not theirs.
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    I honestly think all of those women are completely miserable. They all claim to be comfortable sharing their husband and accepting of their lifestyle. But at the same time, they are always crying and bickering. I think its a sad way to live. I can't see any advantages of living that way. I'm sorry if that offends anyone. I'm not saying monogamy is the only right way. But then again, there are all the legal issues involved with polygamy.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Which? marijuana? No, I'm going by where you said that you don't see how someone can claim that some drugs are ok and some are not. But that's exactly what the government/FDA does here. All those things I mentioned, many of them chemically engineered are made legal, including things like caffeine (which is not medical). Yet you have something like marijuana that is just a naturally occuring plant, which is made illegal. It just seems weird to me.
    Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

    Cant the same argument be made about cocaine then?  Since it comes from the coca plant?
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  • Plus LTZ- there are hundreds of drugs used for medical purposes, should they all be made legal and readily available too?

    Im only asking because that is part of what I meant by making 1 legal over another.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Cant the same argument be made about cocaine then?  Since it comes from the coca plant?
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    Not exactly because cocaine has to be treated, as does heroin.  Marijuana basically comes in it's smokable form right off the plant. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Cant the same argument be made about cocaine then?  Since it comes from the coca plant?
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
    Yea, but it's altered in a way that it no longer resembles the plant when it's the finished product. Weed, you can just go trim the bud off and have at it (not that I know or anything...).
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : This is just fucking ridiculous. I can't understand how it's the bar's fault once the guy left the bar's property. As if they can send him home with a sitter or something? I get not over-serving people, but if someone wants to get drunk, they are going to do it, bar or no bar. Sounds like the authorities/media needed someone to blame.
    Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

    Tim actually got hit by a drunk driver a few years ago. The guy was drinking at the bar all day (11am - 8pm) and did not consume any food. The bar just kept serving him drink after drink and then let him on his merry way. 5 minutes after leaving the bar he slammed into Tim while he was driving home from work.

    The courts decided that the bar was 50% at fault.

    Surprisingly, I'm torn on the issue. I'm all about personal responsibility and owning up to your actions, but at the same time this guy was a known drunk and they just let him leave.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Cant the same argument be made about cocaine then?  Since it comes from the coca plant?
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    No b/c unlike marijuana where you can take it right off the plant and smoke it up, you cannot do the same to cocaine.  It goes through many processing phases and everything from kerosene and rat poisons are added in.

     

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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_opinions-6?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:f726adca-42c1-4c91-86dd-53a5a2a089a5Post:3bf7a019-58bc-4143-b7b9-cf77e87ae6eb">Re: Opinions</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : These are 2 different things. The importance placed on phyiscal appearance is biologically coded in to us, and somewhat influenced by cultural norms. I don't think anyone here would agree with the sexualization of children, but that has nothing to do with prostitution. 
    Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

    I know that. I wasn't saying they are the same. I wasn't saying people would disagree with them. I was answering a question asked by someone else.

    I mentioned I did not agree with other aspects of society, they asked what, I named two.

    In no way was I putting all of those together, I was responding. EDIT Sorry for not making that clear, I read over and realized it could easily be misunderstood.
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