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OBX2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Sorry, but I disagree. Saying we should make pot legal to end gang crimes is ridiculous to me.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I dont think she was saying that making pot legal would end all gang crimes

I think it was more along the lines of drugs are the main source of income for most gangs which are very territorial thus legalizing marijuana would take away<em> some</em> of those crimes....not all of them, but some of them

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]<strong>Anyone who thinks being a stripper of a prostitute is empowering must not know the business. The money might be good but in no way is selling your body empowering.</strong> That being said it should be legal so that we can tax the "profession".
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone other than the people actually doing so can say whether it's empowering to them.

anna.oskar

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I dont think she was saying that making pot legal would end all gang crimes I think it was more along the lines of drugs are the main source of income for most gangs which are very territorial thus legalizing marijuana would take away some of those crimes....not all of them, but some of them
Posted by OBX2011[/QUOTE]

See, i think that legalization will lead to greater crime as the gangs will have to rely on gun-running, extortion, and other nasty acts to fund their activities.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I dont think she was saying that making pot legal would end all gang crimes I think it was more along the lines of drugs are the main source of income for most gangs which are very territorial thus legalizing marijuana would take away some of those crimes....not all of them, but some of them
Posted by OBX2011[/QUOTE]

But like asfsvan said.  If you take pot out of the equation, they are just going to replace it with another drug. 

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I don't think anyone other than the people actually doing so can say whether it's empowering to them.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

Well I used to be in the business and I am still connected, I think I know a little on this subject... mmkaay? :)

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : But like asfsvan said.  If you take pot out of the equation, they are just going to replace it with another drug. 
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

The same reason that people start with pot (it's cheap and easy to get) is the same reason that a lot of gangs sell pot.  It would not be that simple for them to up and replace their supply with something like heroin or cocaine. 

But, to play DA, I could easily see big gang wars as the old "pot" gangs try to weasel their way into the hard drug trade and onto other gangs' trade.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Well I used to be in the business and I am still connected, I think I know a little on this subject... mmkaay? :)
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

That was unnecessarily condescending.

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Well I used to be in the business and I am still connected, I think I know a little on this subject... mmkaay? :)
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

That's fine. I just think everyone's experiences can be different.

ricksang

Okay lol

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : The same reason that people start with pot (it's cheap and easy to get) is the same reason that a lot of gangs sell pot.  It would not be that simple for them to up and replace their supply with something like heroin or cocaine.  But, to play DA, I could easily see big gang wars as the old "pot" gangs try to weasel their way into the hard drug trade and onto other gangs' trade.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

I would be interested to find out how much they sell of each.  Like if they sell more coke than pot etc.  I would imagine that they would sell more of the harder stuff since they can make more money off of it.  I saw a statistic that said 70% of the pot in the US comes from South America.  I would imagine that drugs you can make yourself would be what they would want to sell.  And if only 30% of the pot is homegrown, I cant imagine it being that profitable.

OBX2011

Anna & Blue....point taken

ricksang

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : That's fine. I just think everyone's experiences can be different.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

Well I have <em>not one girl</em> in that type of business who has said, "OMG this is awesome!" In a perfect world women would have to turn to this and could all the opps men have but it isn't a perfect world.

Steph0871

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : That was unnecessarily condescending.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

<div>Agreed.</div><div>
</div><div>Just because I work for the government, I'd never assume how all state workers feel about their employment.</div><div>
</div><div>Granted, that's not a perfect example, but still.  Quite frankly, Ricks, I like you, but this was strange.  Obviously this conversation (understandably) struck a personal sorespot.  I still don't think you can speak for every single woman out there who works as a stripper and/or prostitute. </div>

LessThanZero

I'm not sure what you meant in the last comment, ricks, but the only reason I said that is because I have seen shows and even heard radio interviews with girls that were strippers who talked it up like it was the greatest thing.

There was some story about a mother and daughter stripper "team" that both worked at some club in Florida and a morning show I used to listen to interviewed them.

They were saying how they thought stripping was an "art form" and that they were "entertainers" and how they love what they do and don't know when they'll stop.

So that's just an example, but I was just saying that everyone is different. I think there are probably a lot of girl who get into those industries for all the wrong reasons and who are miserable. But there are some that love it. It's just like anything else.

Steph0871

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Well I have not one girl in that type of business who has said, "OMG this is awesome!" In a perfect world women would have to turn to this and could all the opps men have but it isn't a perfect world.
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]

<div>I think you're saying that "in a perfect work women wouldN'T have to turn to this, and they woudl have all the same opportunities as men."</div><div>
</div><div>So... how do you explain male strippers? I'm gonna be honest. I totally agree that there is a difference in pay between men and women.  However, I think it's pathetic to use that as an excuse for anything; it's just a cop-out IMO.</div>

K&J64

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[QUOTE]I'm not sure what you meant in the last comment, ricks, but the only reason I said that is because I have seen shows and even heard radio interviews with girls that were strippers who talked it up like it was the greatest thing. There was some story about a mother and daughter stripper "team" that both worked at some club in Florida and a morning show I used to listen to interviewed them. They were saying how they thought stripping was an "art form" and that they were "entertainers" and how they love what they do and don't know when they'll stop. So that's just an example, but I was just saying that everyone is different. I think there are probably a lot of girl who get into those industries for all the wrong reasons and who are miserable. But there are some that love it. It's just like anything else.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

This. Some people can feel powerful because of their sexuality and even get pleasure out of the job whether its burlesque dancing or turning tricks. I'm pretty sure the call girl who was paid about $5K a session with the former NY governor felt pretty god damn powerful. Some strippers and call girls have other opportunities available to them but they like the money they get as sex workers and choose that profession. Not every prostitute or stripper has some sob story. Do a lot of them have a darker experience? Sure, but not all of them.  

It's the same with porn stars. People are so quick to see this as some misogynistic industry when in fact there are many joyfully willing participants that feel no low self esteem from their work. In fact many times the female in these scenarios is very clearly the one in control and with all the power.

Blueyed228

I think the comment that was made to Ricks about (and this is a paraphrase) "Only women who have been in that industry should have opinions on it" may have triggered a harsher response.

LessThanZero

Yeah it wasn't so much that no one else can have an opinion on it, just that the only people who can say whether they're empowered or not are those that are involved with it. Her experience or experiences of friends might be that it's not. That doesn't mean that other people would disagree based on their experiences.

But I had no assumptions that ricks was involved or connected to any of it, so I though her initial statement was blanketed.

I also didn't think her other comment was all that condescending, she was just clarifying I guess. I didn't think it was a big deal.

Blueyed228

LTZ- Im not trying to fight her battle for her, I just meant that I saw where she came from with it.

I didnt think either of your statements were weird.

LessThanZero

Oh, agreed. I just wasn't mad about it or didn't think it was particularly harsh. Taniamarie told me my cat should die, that was harsh, haha.

It's all good by me.

anna.oskar

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[QUOTE]Taniamarie told me my cat should die, that was harsh,
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]


that bitch

LessThanZero

Yeah well being unbitchy wasn't her strong suit. We all have flaws, you know?

aprovencher21

I haven't finished the thread but I'm throwing out my two cents

I believe prostitution should be legal, regulated, taxed, etc.  For me I don't give a damn what a grown up does with their body as long as they are consenting to it.  I'd rather have it regulated so that both men and women are protected from disease and violence....plus the taxing would be awesome.

In my opinion pot should completely be legal.  You can drink without getting drunk and you can smoke a few hits without getting high.  I also know plenty of people who have or continue to smoke pot and aren't potheads and have great careers.  The medical benefits also make it somewhat necessary that it be legal and regulated. 

I don't mind labels on wedding invitations as long as they are put on crappily.  I hate when things look cheap and tacky.  I had my envelopes pre printed by the invitation company....they looked awesome and I loved that the font and ink color matched my invitations.  I don't think it looked cheap or like I didn't think of my guests.

I know some people cannot afford a full bar for a wedding but cash bars bother me.  A lot.

I got a wedding invitation today with 4 registry cards included.  Are you kidding me?

Someone let their dog shiit on my driveway and didn't clean it up.  That really pisses me off.

cupcakesfrosting

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[QUOTE]I haven't finished the thread but I'm throwing out my two cents I believe prostitution should be legal, regulated, taxed, etc.  For me I don't give a damn what a grown up does with their body as long as they are consenting to it.  I'd rather have it regulated so that both men and women are protected from disease and violence....plus the taxing would be awesome. In my opinion pot should completely be legal.  You can drink without getting drunk and you can smoke a few hits without getting high.  I also know plenty of people who have or continue to smoke pot and aren't potheads and have great careers.  The medical benefits also make it somewhat necessary that it be legal and regulated.  I don't mind labels on wedding invitations as long as they are put on crappily.  I hate when things look cheap and tacky.  I had my envelopes pre printed by the invitation company....they looked awesome and I loved that the font and ink color matched my invitations.  I don't think it looked cheap or like I didn't think of my guests. I know some people cannot afford a full bar for a wedding but cash bars bother me.  A lot. I<strong> got a wedding invitation today with 4 registry cards included.  Are you kidding me?</strong> Someone let their dog shiit on my driveway and didn't clean it up.  That really pisses me off.
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

Wut? Are you for serious?

aprovencher21

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Wut? Are you for serious?
Posted by cupcakesfrosting[/QUOTE]

No I'm not kidding. 

This will also probably get my flamed but.....this couple came to my wedding and didn't bother to give a gift or even a card.  I know you shouldn't expect a card or gift....but I would NEVER go to a wedding without a gift.  I've been invited to two of her bridal showers and now this wedding invitation.  So apparently I'm supposed to give three gifts.  Ugh.

sherrbearr22

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I am jealous! But maybe not so much if they fit like jeggings. Are they tight?
Posted by Denise91980[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah - they are glorified spandex!

OutOfTheBlue612

I do not understand, strictly legally speaking (not even touching the moral/ethically reasons) how prostitution can be illegal while abortion is legal. Granted, I don't know much about legal language and matters. But the ideas behind why abortion is legal (a women has a right to choose things regarding her own body) seem to suggest that following that logic prostitution should be legal. What is the legal difference? Legally, it is referred to as a victim-less crime, so I don't think the involvement of another person is the difference. Is this making sense?