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Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers

This is basically a vent and I kind of wonder what other people would do or think of this situation I am about to describe...

I have a few male friends that I wanted in our wedding as ushers (my FI obviously has his friends as groomsmen, but I wanted to somehow include my couple of guys friends, too).  They might as well be groomsmen, though because they are just as much a part of all of the things the rest of the wedding party generally takes part in.  I have been friends with both of them for a long time and it was really important to me that they somehow be included as more than just guests. 

Well, getting to the point, I put them on the guest list for my bachelorette party that my MOH wanted me to put together for her.  They got invitations and they were supposed to RSVP.  It was past the RSVP date and my MOH contacted me to let me know they hadn't responded to her yet.  I tried to contact them a few times, as well as another friend of mine who is also a bridesmaid (she is also friends with these guys, too).  Neither of them ever answered our calls/texts.  Finally, one of them gets back to me about a week later, telling me that they will both be coming.  So first, I was a little disappointed they didn't have the courtesy to RSVP to my MOH.  However, that was something small that I got over because most people typically have one or two friends who are a little flaky like that. 

This next part I am about to describe is the main thing I need to vent a little about.  My bachelorette party was this past Saturday.  My bridesmaids made reservations for dinner at a restaurant for 7pm before we went out and started drinking.  One of the guys didn't show up until about 8:15pm.  We sat around and waited for them because we wanted to make sure they ate before they started drinking.  We just ordered some appetizers and hung around to stall things a little.  We ordered our entrees immediately after the first guy showed up.  Then, the other guy friend of mine didn't show up until around 9ish...2 hours after the reservation, mind you.  From what I gathered, my MOH made the schedule known to everyone who was planning on coming (I was unaware until the last minute because the actual schedule of what my bridesmaids had planned for me was supposed to be a surprise).  So, all we wanted to do at this restaurant was eat pretty quick and then start drinking at other places...but, we were stuck there until about 10ish because we waited around for my two guy friends who were extremely late.  I could tell the bridesmaids were getting a little peeved when we were holding out with ordering food to try and wait for them, but silly me tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and kept assuring people that they'd be there soon.

So finally, after everyone who was supposed to be there got there and was fed, at 10pm, mind you, we went to another bar.  The place we went to is primarily known for beer, but that wasn't the only thing they served.  These two guy friends that I invited do not like beer, so my MOH let them know that the bar had $3 rail cocktails, thinking maybe they weren't aware of that (they do not frequent the area of the city in which we were drinnking).  One of guys was like, 'um, no thank you'...making it seem like he was too good for rail alcohol.  The other guy just said 'no, thank you'. 

The things I have mentioned above are a little rude, but really not that big of a deal, but it was necessary for me to mention them because they build on what happened that actually bothered me.  After we were at this second place drinking for about an hour, one of these guy friends of mine asked me if I wanted to go to a near-by gay club (both of these friends of mine are gay).  It sounded like a fun idea to me, as well as most of the other girls who were there.  But, one of my cousins was not really feeling it.  She has nothing against gay people, but she is from a smaller town where they don't have gay clubs.  She just isn't used to the atmosphere.  And because she is one of my bridesmaids, she had been chipping in to pay for me all night (which I didn't expect, but no one would allow me to pay for anything), and she travelled pretty far to be there for me and hang out last weekend, I wasn't about to force her to do something she wouldn't be comfortable doing. 

Well, the one guy friend of mine kept nagging me about going to a gay club and wouldn't shut up about it.  I really didn't want any drama, so I kind of just said I didn't know and it would have to be something everyone wanted to do.  I thought if I kind of just blew it off a little bit, he would eventually just stop pushing the idea.  But he didn't.  I finally did get a moment alone with him away from my cousin who just wasn't cool with going, and just explained the situation that it's not something she was used to and that I didn't want her to feel uncomfortable.  Well, instead of just saying 'oh man, that's too bad, but it's all good.  I'm fine with just staying here', he told me that it was snotty and uptight.  And I tried to explain to him that's not how she is at all and that it's just not her thing.  Well, that didn't matter because he continued to tell me what he thought of it.  At that point, I just shrugged my shoulders because it was my bachelorette and I was trying to avoid people dragging me into drama (this particular guy friend of mine is famous for starting drama and making mountains out of molehills). 

After that conversation between he and I, he kind of seemed to drop it, so I thought these two guy friends of mine would be okay with hanging out at straight bars for one night, since it was my bachelorette and not just a random get-together.  And let me say, too that there was no one in any of these straight places we were in making comments about them or making it a hostile environment.  The place was chill and everyone was minding their own business.  I can understand if these guys were uncomfortable if there was someone who was making them feel uncomfortable or threatened...but there wasn't.  Well, I'm at the bar with another one of my bridesmaids getting a drink, and the one guy's boyfriend (who tagged along with him), the guy who kept nagging me about going to a gay club, came up behind me and announced that they were going to a near-by gay club and that we should all come with them.  So basically, while I was getting a drink at the bar, my two guy friends and the boyfriend of the one guy all decided that they were just going to leave my bachelorette and just go to the gay club they wanted to go to, whether we agreed to go or not.

So, in a nutshell, they basically said goodbye to me and the rest of the girls real quick and left abruptly...they ditched my bachelorette because they were apparently too good to hang out at a straight place for one night.  They tried to make it seem like they wanted to take me to the gay club because they wanted me to have fun, but because they ditched me, it was obviously because they were bored and didn't feel like staying where we were hanging out.  Now, I've been friends with these two guys for a really long time and yes, they have always been a little on the flaky side and the one who kept pushing the idea of going to a gay club actually has done some things to myself and some of our other friends that I think most other people may not have the patience for (I guess we may be too nice at times, and it's mistaken for weakness, lol).  But, it has mostly just been small things that I have been able to get over and give them the benefit of the doubt on, basically being adult about it and telling myself that some people are just a little flaky, but it's not that they don't care and they really are good guys when it comes down to it.  Well, because that's always been what I've told myself, I figured since it was my bachelorette (something I only plan on doing once in my life, so I saw it as somewhat of a special occasion), they would be there for me and have a good time with me.  I also don't get to see either of them very often, either because we are all busy...so, it was important to me that they be there.

But because they just straight-up ditched me in the middle of my bachelorette, I'm beginning to think that they may not actually care.  I feel like I have always cared deeply about them, so it does hurt a little that they did what they did.  Some of my girl friends have told me that I should stick it out for the wedding since they are pretty much in my wedding party and cut ties with them afterwards.  I know this post was ridiculously long, but I am just venting and also wondering how others would handle this situation.  I will say, though that my night was not ruined by all of this...I was having a good time and I really didn't think about it until the next day when I was more sober, lol.  So, am I being too sensitive about this?  Or should I feel legitimately slighted by these guys? 
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  • edited August 2012
    Yeah, sorry about the post being long...I know it is, forgive me.  But yes, StageManager...you got it.  At least I broke it down into paragraphs, though lol.  I should at least get a point for that!
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  • CN: OP has 2 gay male friends that are ushers. They were invited to her bachelorette but didn't RSVP on time, then showed up an hour late to the restaurant while everyone else wiated, refused to drink cocktails at a beer bar, then wanted to go to a gay club. One of the BMs didn't want to go, and there was a discussion about it. Gay friends left th b-party in the middle. OP feels they don't care about her, so wants them out of the wedding, or something.
      Don't kick them out unless you really want to end the friendship. Were they rude? Yes, but again, kicking them out is a friendship ending move.
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  • CN:  2 long time guy friends (both gay) who are ushers took forever to RSVP and then showed up really late to the dinner start of her b-party, suggested several times later on that the b-party ditch the straight bar they were in and head over to a near-by gay bar.  1 member of the bridal party wasn't terribly comfortable with that so bride thinks it's best to stay put - guys ditch her anyway. 

    OP - I'm sorry it didn't go how you had hoped but I'm afriad if these guys have always been somewhat flakey and even inappropriate at times, they're not going to change because you're getting married.  I'd just let it go and move on. 
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    [QUOTE]CN: OP has 2 gay male friends that are ushers. They were invited to her bachelorette but didn't RSVP on time, then showed up an hour late to the restaurant while everyone else wiated, refused to drink cocktails at a beer bar, then wanted to go to a gay club. One of the BMs didn't want to go, and there was a discussion about it. Gay friends left th b-party in the middle. OP feels they don't care about her, so wants them out of the wedding, or something.   Don't kick them out unless you really want to end the friendship. Were they rude? Yes, but again, kicking them out is a friendship ending move.
    Posted by zizibet[/QUOTE]


    No, I do not plan on kicking them out.  That wouldn't be right...I do not want any drama.  I don't think I ever mentioned in the post that I was going to kick them out, but if something I said made it appear that way, I'm sorry... let me make it clear that I will not be doing that.
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    [QUOTE]This is basically a vent and I kind of wonder what other people would do or think of this situation I am about to describe...<strong> I have a few male friends that I wanted in our wedding as ushers</strong> (my FI obviously has his friends as groomsmen, but<strong> I wanted to somehow include my couple of guys friends, too</strong>).  They might as well be groomsmen, though because they are just as much a part of all of the things the rest of the wedding party generally takes part in. <strong> <div align="left"><strong>I have been friends with both of them for a long time and it was really important to me that they somehow be included as more than just guests.</strong> </div></strong>Well, getting to the point, I put them on the guest list for my bachelorette party that my MOH wanted me to put together for her.  They got invitations and they were supposed to RSVP.  It was past the RSVP date and my MOH contacted me to let me know they hadn't responded to her yet.  I tried to contact them a few times, as well as another friend of mine who is also a bridesmaid (she is also friends with these guys, too).  Neither of them ever answered our calls/texts.  Finally, one of them gets back to me about a week later, telling me that they will both be coming.  So first, I was a little disappointed they didn't have the courtesy to RSVP to my MOH.  However, that was something small that I got over because most people typically have one or two friends who are a little flaky like that.  This next part I am about to describe is the main thing I need to vent a little about.  My bachelorette party was this past Saturday.  My bridesmaids made reservations for dinner at a restaurant for 7pm before we went out and started drinking.  One of the guys didn't show up until about 8:15pm.  We sat around and waited for them because we wanted to make sure they ate before they started drinking.  We just ordered some appetizers and hung around to stall things a little.  We ordered our entrees immediately after the first guy showed up.  Then, the other guy friend of mine didn't show up until around 9ish...2 hours after the reservation, mind you.  From what I gathered, my MOH made the schedule known to everyone who was planning on coming (I was unaware until the last minute because the actual schedule of what my bridesmaids had planned for me was supposed to be a surprise).  So, all we wanted to do at this restaurant was eat pretty quick and then start drinking at other places...but, <strong>we were stuck there until about 10ish because we waited around for my two guy friends who were extremely late</strong>.  I could tell the bridesmaids were getting a little peeved when we were holding out with ordering food to try and wait for them, but silly me tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and kept assuring people that they'd be there soon. So finally, after everyone who was supposed to be there got there and was fed, at 10pm, mind you, we went to another bar.  The place we went to is primarily known for beer, but that wasn't the only thing they served.  These two guy friends that I invited do not like beer, so my MOH let them know that the bar had $3 rail cocktails, thinking maybe they weren't aware of that (they do not frequent the area of the city in which we were drinnking).  One of guys was like, 'um, no thank you'...making it seem like he was too good for rail alcohol.  The other guy just said 'no, thank you'.  The things I have mentioned above are a little rude, but really not that big of a deal, but it was necessary for me to mention them because they build on what happened that actually bothered me.  After we were at this second place drinking for about an hour, one of these guy friends of mine asked me if I wanted to go to a near-by gay club (both of these friends of mine are gay).  It sounded like a fun idea to me, as well as most of the other girls who were there.  But, one of my cousins was not really feeling it.  She has nothing against gay people, but she is from a smaller town where they don't have gay clubs.  She just isn't used to the atmosphere.  And because she is one of my bridesmaids, she had been chipping in to pay for me all night (which I didn't expect, but no one would allow me to pay for anything), and she travelled pretty far to be there for me and hang out last weekend, I wasn't about to force her to do something she wouldn't be comfortable doing.  Well, the one guy friend of mine kept nagging me about going to a gay club and wouldn't shut up about it.  I really didn't want any drama, so I kind of just said I didn't know and it would have to be something everyone wanted to do.  I thought if I kind of just blew it off a little bit, he would eventually just stop pushing the idea.  But he didn't.  I finally did get a moment alone with him away from my cousin who just wasn't cool with going, and just explained the situation that it's not something she was used to and that I didn't want her to feel uncomfortable.  Well, instead of just saying 'oh man, that's too bad, but it's all good.  I'm fine with just staying here', he told me that it was snotty and uptight.  And I tried to explain to him that's not how she is at all and that it's just not her thing.  Well, that didn't matter because he continued to tell me what he thought of it.  At that point, I just shrugged my shoulders because it was my bachelorette and I was trying to avoid people dragging me into drama (<strong>this particular guy friend of mine is famous for starting drama and making mountains out of molehills</strong>).  After that conversation between he and I, he kind of seemed to drop it, so I thought these two guy friends of mine would be okay with hanging out at straight bars for one night, since it was my bachelorette and not just a random get-together.  And let me say, too that there was no one in any of these straight places we were in making comments about them or making it a hostile environment.  The place was chill and everyone was minding their own business.  I can understand if these guys were uncomfortable if there was someone who was making them feel uncomfortable or threatened...but there wasn't.  Well, I'm at the bar with another one of my bridesmaids getting a drink, and the one guy's boyfriend (who tagged along with him), the guy who kept nagging me about going to a gay club, came up behind me and announced that they were going to a near-by gay club and that we should all come with them.  <strong>So basically, while I was getting a drink at the bar, my two guy friends and the boyfriend of the one guy all decided that they were just going to leave my bachelorette and just go to the gay club they wanted to go to, whether we agreed to go or not.</strong> So, in a nutshell, they basically said goodbye to me and the rest of the girls real quick and left abruptly...they ditched my bachelorette because they were apparently too good to hang out at a straight place for one night.  They tried to make it seem like they wanted to take me to the gay club because they wanted me to have fun, but because they ditched me, it was obviously because they were bored and didn't feel like staying where we were hanging out.  Now, I've been friends with these two guys for a really long time and yes, they have <strong>always been a little on the flaky side and the one who kept pushing the idea of going to a gay club actually has done some things to myself and some of our other friends that I think most other people may not have the patience for</strong> (I guess we may be too nice at times, and it's mistaken for weakness, lol).  But, it has mostly just been small things that I have been able to get over and give them the benefit of the doubt on, basically being adult about it and telling myself that some people are just a little flaky, but it's not that they don't care and they really are good guys when it comes down to it.  Well, because that's always been what I've told myself, I figured since it was my bachelorette (something I only plan on doing once in my life, so I saw it as somewhat of a special occasion), they would be there for me and have a good time with me.  I also don't get to see either of them very often, either because we are all busy...so, it was important to me that they be there. But because they just straight-up ditched me in the middle of my bachelorette, I'm beginning to think that they may not actually care.  I feel like I have always cared deeply about them, so it does hurt a little that they did what they did.  <strong>Some of my girl friends have told me that I should stick it out for the wedding since they are pretty much in my wedding party and cut ties with them afterwards.</strong>  I know this post was ridiculously long, but I am just venting and also wondering how others would handle this situation.  I will say, though that my night was not ruined by all of this...I was having a good time and I really didn't think about it until the next day when I was more sober, lol.  So, am I being too sensitive about this?  Or should I feel legitimately slighted by these guys? 
    Posted by Pinkstarshine1[/QUOTE]

    There.  I highlighted the important parts for you.

    1)  if you wanted to include them in your wedding, you could have had them stand on your side  (just a note).

    2)  I don't see why anyone waited for 2 hours for them to get there.  If they weren't there on time, and you couldn't get in contact with them, II don't see why you wouldn't have just proceeded with dinner.

    3)  If they've always been rude and flaky, you can't expect them to change who they are for a specific day.

    4)  If this particular event made you reflect on your friendship with these guys and think, "Hey, they really haven't been good friends to me in a long time," then go ahead an end the friendship, after the wedding.  Don't kick them out, and most certainly, don't end a lifelong friendship because of a bachelorette party.

    PS.  My guess is that they probably didn't want to go to the bparty in the first place, and only agreed to go after getting hounded to attend.  I suspect that they were the only men invited to the party, and that they were invited specifically due their sexual orientation, because, HEY!  All gay men like to get drunk, wear penis necklaces, and dance around with a bunch of girls.  They probably did feel uncomfortable.
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    [QUOTE]CN:  2 long time guy friends (both gay) who are ushers took forever to RSVP and then showed up really late to the dinner start of her b-party, suggested several times later on that the b-party ditch the straight bar they were in and head over to a near-by gay bar.  1 member of the bridal party wasn't terribly comfortable with that so bride thinks it's best to stay put - guys ditch her anyway.  OP - I'm sorry it didn't go how you had hoped but I'm afriad if these guys have always been somewhat flakey and even inappropriate at times, they're not going to change because you're getting married.  I'd just let it go and move on. 
    Posted by Girlie1030[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, they've always been a little flaky, but they have never straight-up ditched me like this before...this situation was a little bit more ballsy than anything else I've dealt with from them.  But I don't plan on ever saying anything to them about it...there's no point.  I have pretty much decided that after the wedding, I'll probably make myself scarce.  I'm sure I'll see them in the future once in a while at get-togethers of mutual friends on occasion, but I don't really have an interest in making an effort any longer.  It's a waste of time.  I just haven't really talked anyone's ear off about this, so just typing all of this stuff and then the thought of getting some feedback makes me feel better about it, lol.
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  • It can be tough when friendships fade away but it sounds like you're dealing well.  Chin up chica. 
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  • edited August 2012
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers : There.  I highlighted the important parts for you. 1)  if you wanted to include them in your wedding, you could have had them stand on your side  (just a note). 2)  I don't see why anyone waited for 2 hours for them to get there.  If they weren't there on time, and you couldn't get in contact with them, II don't see why you wouldn't have just proceeded with dinner. 3)  If they've always been rude and flaky, you can't expect them to change who they are for a specific day. 4)  If this particular event made you reflect on your friendship with these guys and think, "Hey, they really haven't been good friends to me in a long time," then go ahead an end the friendship, after the wedding.  Don't kick them out, and most certainly, don't end a lifelong friendship because of a bachelorette party. PS.  My guess is that they probably didn't want to go to the bparty in the first place, and only agreed to go after getting hounded to attend.  I suspect that they were the only men invited to the party, and that they were invited specifically due their sexual orientation, because, HEY!  All gay men like to get drunk, wear penis necklaces, and dance around with a bunch of girls.  They probably did feel uncomfortable.
    Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]


    I didn't hound them to attend.  I just asked them once or twice over the span of a few weeks if they were coming.  And I did not invite them simply because they are gay.  I know for a fact that one of them would have been offended if he was not invited and would have told me so.  Because I know he is that way, I did not want him to feel slighted. 

    And there were no penis necklaces or any of those dumb things.  It was actually very chill and we were just sitting around at a bar drinking at a table outside.  No one was really drunk or crazy.  It was not the stereotypical bachelorette party because I'm really not into that stuff.

    And I would not be ending a friendship simply because of a bachelorette party.  My post encompasses a larger picture if you read it again.  There have been things over the years that have happened that have just built up over time and combined with the events of the bachelorette party, it has just been unsettling.

    Another thing, too...it seems as if you're implying I slighted them by having them stand in as ushers rather than attendants on my side.  That was just not something i had considered, so I'm not sure what you're getting at with that comment.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers : I didn't hound them to attend.  I just asked them once or twice over the span of a few weeks if they were coming.  And I did not invite them simply because they are gay. <strong> I know for a fact that one of them would have been offended if he was not invited and would have told me so.</strong>  Because I know he is that way, I did not want him to feel slighted.  And there were no penis necklaces or any of those dumb things.  It was actually very chill and we were just sitting around at a bar drinking at a table outside.  No one was really drunk or crazy.  It was not the stereotypical bachelorette party because I'm really not into that stuff. And I would not be ending a friendship simply because of a bachelorette party.  My post encompasses a larger picture if you read it again.  There have been things over the years that have happened that have just built up over time and combined with the events of the bachelorette party, it has just been unsettling.
    Posted by Pinkstarshine1[/QUOTE]

    If he really wanted to be invited, he would have RSVPed, arrived on time, and stayed.  If you're still hurt about this in a few days, I would say something to one or both of them, rather than just allowing them to drift away.  "Hey friend, I was really hurt when you left the B-party.  I felt like you ditched me.  Is anything going on between us?" wouldn't be out of line to say.  I feel as though that would be the more mature action to take, rather than just letting the friendship dissolve. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers : I didn't hound them to attend.  I just asked them once or twice over the span of a few weeks if they were coming.  And I did not invite them simply because they are gay.  I know for a fact that one of them would have been offended if he was not invited and would have told me so.  Because I know he is that way, I did not want him to feel slighted.  And there were no penis necklaces or any of those dumb things.  It was actually very chill and we were just sitting around at a bar drinking at a table outside.  No one was really drunk or crazy.  It was not the stereotypical bachelorette party because I'm really not into that stuff. And I would not be ending a friendship simply because of a bachelorette party.  <strong>My post encompasses a larger picture if you read it again.</strong>  There have been things over the years that have happened that have just built up over time and combined with the events of the bachelorette party, it has just been unsettling. Another thing, too...it seems as if you're implying I slighted them by having them stand in as ushers rather than attendants on my side.  <strong>That was just not something i had considered, so I'm not sure what you're getting at with that comment.
    </strong>Posted by Pinkstarshine1[/QUOTE]

    I did read it.  The whooole thing.  Which is why I said that if that night makes you reflect on the friendship and decide that it's not worth it, then by all means, end the friendship.

    As far as the first comment, it was truly "just a note."
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_sounds-weirdbut-difficulty-with-ushers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:495a3ace-aedf-430b-8898-fe662574346ePost:5052b225-0b3f-4b51-b51f-220b8deadb3a">Re: Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers : If he really wanted to be invited, he would have RSVPed, arrived on time, and stayed.  If you're still hurt about this in a few days, I would say something to one or both of them, rather than just allowing them to drift away.  "Hey friend, I was really hurt when you left the B-party.  I felt like you ditched me.  Is anything going on between us?" wouldn't be out of line to say.  I feel as though that would be the more mature action to take, rather than just letting the friendship dissolve. 
    Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

    I guess I should have included that because they are flaky...they didn't RSVP.  That is a characteristic of a flaky person.  Just because they do not respond, does not necessarily mean they aren't interested.  And I also probably should have said that in the past, I have tried many times to civilly approach them about things that were bothersome to me...and it has never worked.  Trust me, I have tried that, so that is why I was thinking that it really didn't do any good for me to try again.  It is senseless to continue to do something that never works. 
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_sounds-weirdbut-difficulty-with-ushers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:495a3ace-aedf-430b-8898-fe662574346ePost:731503c0-bb9a-42b9-b7df-cbfc0b06fbcb">Re: Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers : I did read it.  The whooole thing.  Which is why I said that if that night makes you reflect on the friendship and decide that it's not worth it, then by all means, end the friendship. As far as the first comment, it was truly "just a note."
    Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]


    Okay, then I misunderstood you.  I apologize for that.  I guess I was under the impression you thought I was going to end friendships over a bachelorette party, which is not the case.  I am not that shallow and unforgiving.  I'm not sure I will really end the friendships...but I just feel that if they want to make plans with me, then I will let them come to me for once. 

    And about the first comment about them being ushers and not attendants on my side, that's why I responded the way I did.  Because I wasn't really sure what the aim of the comment was.  But since you explained it was just a note, I get that.  I really just didn't think of having them as attendants...I'm actually not sure if they would be comfortable with that, to be honest. 
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  • Pink, I think the situation sucks.  I do think it seems like maybe they don't care as much as you'd hoped or thought, and that's always hard.  I agree with a PP that it's not out of line to ask what's up, but it sounds like that maybe won't work.  It sounds like you don't want to end friendships, which is great.  Maybe just let it take it's natural course after the wedding, whether it's that they start coming to you to spend time together or whether you become more aquaintances or that you end up just hanging out and catching up when in group settings.  I think it seems like it's more of a way that people, friendships, and lives change and become more complicated, rather than that they don't care about you, though.  Good luck, and well-handled!
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_wedding-party_sounds-weirdbut-difficulty-with-ushers?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:37Discussion:495a3ace-aedf-430b-8898-fe662574346ePost:59fce614-2087-49da-a720-d563d0618824">Re: Sounds weird...but difficulty with ushers</a>:
    [QUOTE]Pink, I think the situation sucks.  I do think it seems like maybe they don't care as much as you'd hoped or thought, and that's always hard.  I agree with a PP that it's not out of line to ask what's up, but it sounds like that maybe won't work.  It sounds like you don't want to end friendships, which is great.  Maybe just let it take it's natural course after the wedding, whether it's that they start coming to you to spend time together or whether you become more aquaintances or that you end up just hanging out and catching up when in group settings.  I think it seems like it's more of a way that people, friendships, and lives change and become more complicated, rather than that they don't care about you, though.  Good luck, and well-handled!
    Posted by Fluffernut[/QUOTE]

    Thank you for responding in a way that didn't make me feel like a jerk for how I feel.  I am not one to just cut ties with people completely...I have never been able to do that.  I used to try and calmly approach these guys in the past and it  has blown up in my face, so there  is no point in continuing to try that.  I kind of feel like one poster who I talked back and forth with last night either didn't read carefully enough, or did the opposite of that and read too much into it, thus, turning it into me being selfish and making assumptions that are very incorrect.  In a nut shell, I wanted them  invited because I know their personalities and could say for a fact that they would have felt slighted if I didn't invite them...and they are friends so I did not want them to feel left out...and then I kind of feel like trying to include them was thrown back in my face by them ditching me.  I felt peeved by it because I know for damn sure that I wouldn't ditch them under any circumstances...even if we were congregating at a place that wouldn't be my first choice.  I would just enjoy myself regardless because I would want to spend time with them.

    And you are right, peoples' lives and priorities change as time goes on.  I completely agree.  Mine sure has.  And I guess my logic was because of that very reality, they would want to hang out and spend time with me just like I wanted to spend time with them last weekend, since it has been rare that we are able to see each other.  And the fact that they just left in the middle kind of just made me a little sad, like it was too much trouble for them to hang out with me for one night.  I really never ask much of my friends in general...I'm typically very low-maintenance.  It does not take much at all for me to be happy...I just figured it wasn't much to ask that I wanted to see them because I missed them.  When it boils down to it, that's really all there is to my feelings about this.
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