Time article

mrsconn23

I have the article about AP from the most recent Time in a PDF file.  If you want to read it, let me know and I can send it to you.  Send me a PM or FBmail.

6fsn

They were talking about this today.  The mom was bf'ed until she was 6!  Her son is 3.  She is only 26.  So basically there has only been 17 years of her life without bfing in some form.

tawillers

6, she also has a 5 yo.  She was on the Today Show last week and when asked how much longer she planned to bf, she said "I hope to go one more year, you know, for me."

6fsn

Is the 5 yo bfing?

tawillers

No, the 5 yo isn't.  I can't remember if they talked about that or not.

tawillers

Ok, the 5yo is adopted.  Sorry, I missed that part of the segment.

mrsconn23

The five year old is adopted. 

And the 'keep going for a year, for me"...yeah, that's the issue I have right there with (some) AP moms.  When are you doing it for the kid (comfort, security, blahblahblah) and when is it for you?

Andplusalso, the argument of "Well the WHO suggests you do it until they're 2 (or whatever the guideline is)"...That's because the WHO takes the world into account and there's a lot of third world countries where if the kids don't BF, they don't get fed because there's not enough food for them.

AuntFlo

This was the big topic of conversation at a kids bday party I went to on Saturday.   I was suprised that all the men at the party (all fathers) were so outraged by it - - the women, we were all just rolling our eyes about the whole thing.  They had all watched the Today show segment and commented on how the kid was misbehaving during the entire thing and how the mom did nothing about it.  The men at the party had also read the article and were annoyed about how the fathers were not mentioned enough or at all (I haven't read it) and how the whole AP thing leaves the father out.  

tawillers

According to this link, it sounds like she did BF the adopted son and he still does it once a month.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/10/q-a-with-jamie-lynne-grumet/

mrsconn23

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_time-article?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:47Discussion:8dc3a79f-293f-496d-9e5d-c5f5ba5c689fPost:0eb783dc-4b8c-4b9c-8b16-16a9164746fa">Re: Time article</a>:
[QUOTE] <strong>how the whole AP thing leaves the father out.  </strong>
Posted by AuntFlo[/QUOTE]

It kind of does. I mean, the dad's can baby wear and bedshare/co-sleep, but from what I've read about AP and this article (I'm on page 2), it puts the onus on the mother to be AP or not. 

The ladies on my local that practice AP (and none of them do it full time, YKWIM?) always talk about how their husband 'supports' them in being AP.  Umm...OK.  I thought parenting was a team sport.

dharmabunny

The entire article and photo shoot and mayim bialik is just annoying the ever loving fluck out of me. More Ann Romney nonissue HUGE issue Mommy war on women. Only they hit where it hurts.

mrsconn23

Dharma-Yes, this whole issue has mixed the 'mommy wars' and 'the war on women'.  I'm not quite through it yet, but it's definitely screaming that way.  

The Ann Romney line was random, uncalled for, and obviously just there to be inflammatory.

dharmabunny

In Response to Re:Time article:[QUOTE]The entire article and photo shoot and mayim bialik is just annoying the ever loving fluck out of me. More Ann Romney nonissue HUGE issue Mommy war on women. Only they hit where it hurts. Posted by dharmabunny[/QUOTE]

Actually, it could be an Ann Romney issue if the GOP wasn't so terrified of titties. They are part of "gateway sexual activity"

mrsconn23

True story.

Anything sexual or perceived to be sexual and the GOP is "AVERT YOUR EYES AND COVER YOUR EARS! NOTHING TO SEE HERE! MOVE ALONG, MOVE ALONG!"

aguysview

The whole thing is creepy. No child should actually remember breast feeding.

aguysview

The "war" on women is such a tired argument. The real war is on men. Just watch a prime time tv show and look how fathers are depicted. The woman is smart, beautiful the only person cappable of taking carr of the kids and the man is some fat, ugly doofus and his only worth is the paycheck he brings home. Even commercials always depict the dad as an overwhelmed moron, that cant handle simple tasks like changing a diaper or cook a meal.

mrsconn23

I agree that the father's role in mainstream media is minimalized and trivialized.  Father's are made to look like they're accomplishing some great feat when they're really just parenting.

Those Huggies commercials with the dads make me want to throw things at my TV.

**O-Face**

Oh that's right.  White men are the most discriminated against.  I forgot. 

PMeg819

No war on women? WTF? Do you not see legislation regarding access to contraception and abortion? Taking away funding for access to well woman care because some organizations may also perform abortions? How is that not a war on women? We celebrate Mother's Day but looming in the background is that maternal care in infant outcomes in the US are ranked 50th. I don't disagree that shows portray men negatively but the same can be said for women. How many shows portray women as catty, conniving b!tches? It's TV for fuckssake. Media portrayals of gender, race, ethnicity are not normally known for being spot on.

aguysview

In Response to Re:Time article:[QUOTE]Oh that's right.nbsp; White men are the most discriminated against.nbsp; I forgot.nbsp; Posted by OFace[/QUOTE]
Did I say anything about race or color?
No.

aguysview

I keep hearing this war in women thing and it is laughable. Anybody that thinks it is ok for a mother to breast feed a 3, 4, or 5 year old is an idiot. Plain and simple.

**O-Face**

I was being facetious.  And repeating stupid crap I hear from some people, just as you're doing.

PMeg819

Why isn't it okay? You're saying it's not but why? I wouldn't do it personally, but if it's okay with the child, the mother, and the pediatrician- who are you to say it's not right.

And given the examples I've listed above, why isn't that a war on women? It's using legislation to force religious ideals on women only, so I'd say that constitutes a war on women. Men aren't impacted by any of that legislation.

aguysview

In Response to Re:Time article:[QUOTE]No war on women? WTF? Do you not see legislation regarding access to contraception and abortion? Taking away funding for access to well woman care because some organizations may also perform abortions? How is that not a war on women? We celebrate Mother's Day but looming in the background is that maternal care in infant outcomes in the US are ranked 50th.

I don't disagree that shows portray men negatively but the same can be said for women. How many shows portray women as catty, conniving b!tches? It's TV for fuckssake. Media portrayals of gender, race, ethnicity are not normally known for being spot on. Posted by PMeg819[/QUOTE]

Sounds more like a war on loose women. If she made her dude wear a rubber or if she was proactive and used one if the many posdible birth control methods, slutty mc slut pants wouldn't need your tax dollars to fund an abortion.

I am not against abortion, I am against paying for some ghetto 16yr old to have one.

aguysview

In Response to Re:Time article:[QUOTE]I was being facetious.nbsp; And repeating stupid crap I hear from some people, just as you're doing. Posted by OFace[/QUOTE]
But those are my own feelings, I am not quoting some one else when I feel that media portrays men like idiots.

**O-Face**

Wow, you're just getting fans left and right up in here.  *sucks in breath through teeth*

baconsmom

I was going to respond to you reasonably, and point out that a war on women IS a war on men, a war on all of us, because without agency, women are nothing but a burden. You take away our rights, and you've taken away your own. 

But then out came the slut-shaming, and I'm fucking done. You're an asshole, so crawl back into whatever little troll cave you came from and STFU. 

VarunaTT

YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT.  There is a FEDERAL DAMN LAW that doesn't allow any federal monies to have a damn abortion.  NO MONEY GOES OUT OF YOUR POCKET FOR AN ABORTION.

It is not my job to educate you, it is your job to educate yourself.  You might be tired of the "war on women" but guess what?

WE'RE TIRED OF YOU TOO.  

PMeg819

Really, so all women who get abortions are 16 yo girls who are ghetto and repeat customers? That's your only argument to all of that? It's a war on loose women? So restricting access to low-cost and affordable contraception is a war on loose women? I fail to see how prevent pregnancy can be construed as an attack on loose women as a great many women are on birth control.

And there is nothing about tax dollars funding abortion. Nothing. It's about being able to use your own money to go get a legal, safe abortion.

If you want to spout off your opinions, make sure they are at least well thought out and researched.

jojobrn

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_time-article?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:47Discussion:8dc3a79f-293f-496d-9e5d-c5f5ba5c689fPost:5cd0f920-c7e3-4177-a3dc-c07b752ba365">Re:Time article</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Time article: Sounds more like a war on loose women. If she made her dude wear a rubber or if she was proactive and used one if the many posdible birth control methods, slutty mc slut pants wouldn't need your tax dollars to fund an abortion. I am not against abortion, I am against paying for some ghetto 16yr old to have one.
Posted by aguysview[/QUOTE]

<div>FEDERAL DOLLARS NEVER HAVE PAID FOR ABORTION. PERIOD.</div><div>
</div><div>Federal dollars fund birth control acess and eduction, which prevents unwanted pregnancy and the need for an abortion. However, because of the Rebuplicans war on women (which to seem tothink isn't actually happening) in the name of God, the church and all things good and holy would like to take that away. because OMG, if you don't want a baby just don't have sex, right?</div><div>
</div><div>Git. You are obviously an idiot.</div>

**O-Face**

But he heard that somewhere folks....it's got to be true.  And if it's on the interwebz...DOUBLY SO.