Time article

aguysview

I see different view points are met with an astounding thumbs down. So the free clinics that preform abortions are not state run? Sure. And any government run program weather it be fedaral or not are some how taken from tax dollars. To say that it is not is beyond ignorant. Where does government get its money from for anything? TAX DOLLARS. Furthermore it is not a war on women if there are woman that are also on the other side of the fence. Woman are praised rightfully so in this country. How is America conducting a war on women? When this is the country that women flee to for independence?

aguysview

If you don't want a baby use protection. How is that antiwomen?

aguysview

Forcing someone to be responsible for their actions is not a war. If you get knocked up, have the baby. So men are not affected by the abortion laws in this country? I bet that more men are for abortion then women are, considering that the dudes have to now pay child support for the next 18 years to some chick they had a one night stand with or a an ex girl friend that they would rather nevet hear from again. Most men I know support abortion, it is the women I know that are against it.

PMeg819

Again, you only address the abortion issue.

It's anti-women when to get an abortion you are required to have an unnecessary transvaginal ultrasound or be presented with information that is medically untrue.

It's anti-woman to pass laws that allow doctors to withhold information about the viability of a fetus (such as life threatening illnesses or conditions) if they suspect the patient will seek out an abortion. And then deny the woman to right to file for malpractice should she or her unborn child have a poor outcome after birth.

It's anti-woman to force a religious belief on someone through legislation. You can not like abortion because you're Christian, but you don't get to make laws about it because that violates the separation of church and state.

It's anti-woman to have hospitals, clinics, and other healthcare institutions that care for women provide little to no breastfeeding support when it's been clear that if possible, breastfeeding can provide good nutrition. And guess what- it's cheap, if not free to breastfeed- no tax dollars buying infant formula there.

Do I really have to go on? We haven't touched on women's pay inequality, and all the other legislation out there about contraception.

Guess what, using protection is a two way street. A man needs to be a man and put the condom on. It's anti-woman to put the onus solely on the woman. It takes two to get pregnant.

It isn't that dissenting opinions aren't tolerated here. It's that opinions that have no researched thought behind them are.

VarunaTT

Let me explain this in simple words so that you'll understand:

First off, NOT having an abortion is also a CHOICE.

Secondly:  To my knowledge, none of the "free" clinics out there provide abortions b/c of the controversy.  They DO provide access to contraception and to the morning after pill, but there is legislation out there to restrict ability to do that.

Thirdly:  If you want an abortion, you pay for the entire cost (physician's fee, anesthesia if you choose to have it, any surgical implements used and nurses fees) out of your own pocket or through your own private insurer.  To my knowledge, none of the "free" clinics out there even provide abortion services.  They are provided by private clinics and/or Planned Parenthoods.

Finally:  It is NOT YOUR business, ever, why a woman wants birth control.  If she wants it to regulate acne, period or to slut it up or to choose to conceive with her partner at a time of their choosing....IT DOESN'T MATTER.  IT'S NOT UP TO YOU.  But you do have a vested interest in society having fewer unplanned and unwanted pregnancies, b/c those children are a drain on the mandated programs we have.

Addendum:  There are bills being debated about allowing physicians to withhold information from women b/c of their personal beliefs.  That is some BS and if you can't even admit that, you're ridiculous.

And in case you don't believe that legislation is out there and pending:  http://jezebel.com/5906797/a-state+by+state-guide-to-2012s-anti+choice-laws-so-far

PMeg819

And I think it was said best earlier- anything that directly targets women is really targeting all of us because it erodes personal choice and places government in greater control over all of us.

dharmabunny

In Response to Re:Time article:[QUOTE]Forcing someone to be responsible for their actions is not a war.

If you get knocked up, have the baby.

So men are not affected by the abortion laws in this country? I bet that more men are for abortion then women are, considering that the dudes have to now pay child support for the next 18 years to some chick they had a one night stand with or a an ex girl friend that they would rather nevet hear from again.

Most men I know support abortion, it is the women I know that are against it. Posted by aguysview[/QUOTE]

So, you're arguing about men being treated like secondary parents, which is not that untrue of a statement, one of the most pervasive in the justice system and culture. But you're betching about paying child support to a "loose woman" that the guy CHOSE to screw. You want the fvck without the onus of responsibility like you're saddling women with, but you're whining about not feeling responsible enough with parenting...soooo what do you want?

aguysview

See I do not think that any of those legislations are a good idea. A wiman should have a right yo decide what she wants to do with her body, and what is in her body. I admit I may have misunderstood what some of you where trying to convey But to say thay it is flat out hatred for women is ignorant. And to the person that said free clinics dont preform abortions LOL. Let me guess you are from some red state in the middle of the country. Come to The North east coast of america, that is basically what free clinics are for.

VarunaTT

See, why can't the stupid Knut have technical problems b/c they're trying to put in a "like" button?  B/c I want to smash "like" about a thousand times for Dharma's comment.  You put perfectly what was bothering me about the troll attitude and I couldn't put my finger/words on it.

aguysview

In Response to Re:Time article:[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Time article:Forcing someone to be responsible for their actions is not a war.

If you get knocked up, have the baby.

So men are not affected by the abortion laws in this country? I bet that more men are for abortion then women are, considering that the dudes have to now pay child support for the next 18 years to some chick they had a one night stand with or a an ex girl friend that they would rather nevet hear from again.

Most men I know support abortion, it is the women I know that are against it. Posted by aguysview

So, you're arguing about men being treated like secondary parents, which is not that untrue of a statement, one of the most pervasive in the justice system and culture. But you're betching about paying child support to a "loose woman" that the guy CHOSE to screw. You want the fvck without the onus of responsibility like you're saddling women with, but you're whining about not feeling responsible enough with parenting...soooo what do you want? Posted by dharmabunny[/QUOTE]

Ummmmm I am not complaining at all about paying child support. I said that men in general are not against abortion and that is one of the main reasons.
You win at reading compression.

aguysview

Varuna, you are a moron plain and simple. How is not having an abortion a choice? If abortion was not available you would have the baby, because thats what your body does. That is like saying you chose to pee. Having an abortion is a choice, having a baby is biology.

jojobrn

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_time-article?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special%20Topic%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:47Discussion:8dc3a79f-293f-496d-9e5d-c5f5ba5c689fPost:8fc2fc46-23e4-46d1-9ef2-9fd4b3cf1e78">Re:Time article</a>:
[QUOTE]See I do not think that any of those legislations are a good idea. A wiman should have a right yo decide what she wants to do with her body, and what is in her body. I admit I may have misunderstood what some of you where trying to convey But to say thay it is flat out hatred for women is ignorant. And to the person that said free clinics dont preform abortions LOL. Let me guess you are from some red state in the middle of the country. Come to The North east coast of america, that is basically what free clinics are for.
Posted by aguysview[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>have you ever worked in a free clinic? have you ever been the one to set up billing? No? Didn't think so. I worked in a PP clinic and guess what, even in my fantastic home state of CA where funding is state provided for women without insurance to get birth control, well women exams, breast exams, etc. they do not cover abortions. Any woman who walked in the door of that clinic paid out of pocket or had it billed to insurance, if they were lucky enough to have it. I saw women who had to get pay day loans, add more credit card debt, borrow from friends or family. They certainly were not getting their abortions paid for. </div><div>
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VarunaTT

Becoming pregnant is biology, if you either don't try to prevent or your prevention fails.  Pregnancy is not an uncontrollable state of being.  Peeing, pooping, blinking, heart beats, lung contractions are all biological neccesites, uncontrollable states of being.  Pregnancy is not.  You can choose to end the pregnancy, therefore you can chose to continue it and lots of women do, every day.  You don't choose any other state of biological necessities.  And you're blantantly choosing to ignore that fact.

aguysview

Once a woman is pregnant she can choose to have an abortion. If she lives in a country or state that does not allow or have the option for abortion she will have the baby, unless the pregnancy ends due to natural complications or if she causes some dorm of harm to herself. Abortion is the choice. Not birth.

aguysview

A very close friend of mine runs a free clinic in NYC proper, they preform abortions on young and homeless woman more than twice a week. Every month she gets a big fat check from thr state. Don't confuse CA for NY.

tawillers

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/special-topic-wedding-boards_wedding-woes_time-article?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Special Topic Wedding BoardsForum:47Discussion:8dc3a79f-293f-496d-9e5d-c5f5ba5c689fPost:f7d92806-221f-43f1-bc83-ae33441371ee">Re:Time article</a>:
[QUOTE]A very close friend of mine runs a free clinic in NYC proper, they preform abortions on young and homeless woman more than twice a week. Every month she gets a big fat check from thr state. Don't confuse CA for NY.
Posted by aguysview[/QUOTE]

By "free clinic" you mean "table in a dark alley and a coat hanger", because a real doctor doesn't give a woman 2 abortions per week.

VarunaTT

NY STATE does provide voluntary funding for abortions, on a state level.  They're one of 4 states that do so.  So yeah, in this particular case your particular tax dollars go to help fund abortions for low-income women.  

So glad you chose to judge low income/homeless women = sluts.  

aguysview

I meant to say young and homeless women. Don't be stupid. Young women that need abortions 9 times out of 10 are sluts. Decent girls under the age of 18 are not in the need of an abortion. And homeless women in need of an abortion are more than likely to be crack hore junkie prostitutes.

VarunaTT

So you don't think I'm being stupid, allow me to quote you:

"Sounds more like a war on loose women. If she made her dude wear a rubber or if she was proactive and used one if the many posdible birth control methods, slutty mc slut pants wouldn't need your tax dollars to fund an abortion."

"Young women that need abortions 9 times out of 10 are sluts. Decent girls under the age of 18 are not in the need of an abortion. And homeless women in need of an abortion are more than likely to be crack hore junkie prostitutes."

^^Your words.

It doesn't matter why or how a woman of any age wants to control her repoductive system JUST LIKE A MAN GETS TO DO, only men don't face medical/age/slut judgements or restrictions to purchasing condoms.  

You don't get to judge access to medical needs/procedures for another person.  Can you get that through your thick skull?  It doesn't matter if it's to save a woman's life from pre-eclampsia or if it's b/c she can't finacially manage a child or if she forgot her birth control or her birth control just happened to fail or believed a man who told her he had a vasectomy or whatever other myriad of reasons she wants it.  

And BTW, the "fat check' coming to your friend? If she's working at a free clinic, it's not like the only thing going on there is abortion.  There's other medical health care going on.  Abortions aren't that much of a money maker, especially if it's only 2xweek.  It's not like NY State has a special "McSlutty Pants Abortion" fund.  They have state health insurance available to low income/homeless people and this is a medical procedure availabe under that insurance plan.

aguysview

Preeclampsia is a late term issue. And last time I checked late term abortion is still illegal. Your highly offended by the word slut, i see. Maybe a nerve has been struck? Were you one of those loose college chicks with no respect for her body? You sound like one.

shawnandlauren

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[QUOTE]I meant to say young and homeless women. Don't be stupid. Young women that need abortions 9 times out of 10 are sluts. Decent girls under the age of 18 are not in the need of an abortion. And homeless women in need of an abortion are more than likely to be crack hore junkie prostitutes.
Posted by aguysview[/QUOTE]

Ah, I had no idea that the Rush Limbaugh Center for Empirical "Hore" Research finally released its report on this topic.  FINALLY.

mrsconn23

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re:Time article : Ah, I had no idea that the Rush Limbaugh Center for Empirical "Hore" Research finally released its report on this topic.  FINALLY.
Posted by shawnandlauren[/QUOTE]

I like you.  Please stay.

VarunaTT

I know it's a late term issue.  If you had looked at the list of legislature I'd given you, you would've seen that some legislation is proposing that a doctor not give women diagnoses to save their lives, some legislation is pending to not allow abortion in any circumstance even when there is a risk to the life of the mother, etc, thus doing away with even the small caveats for late term abortion that exist.  Instead, you believe the only reason any woman would possibly want to control her own reproductive system is b/c she's "slutting around" and is therefore less of a person that the "decent girls" are.

I'm not offended when someone like you, calls me a slut. I don't consider it a measure of pride or self-loathing.  It just literally means nothing when it's from someone with your opinions.

aguysview

In Response to Re:Time article:[QUOTE]I know it's a late term issue. nbsp;If you had looked at the list of legislature I'd given you, you would've seen that some legislation is proposing that a doctor not give women diagnoses to save their lives, some legislation is pending to not allow abortion in any circumstance even when there is a risk to the life of the mother, etc, thus doing away with even the small caveats for late term abortion that exist. nbsp;Instead, you believe the only reason any woman would possibly want to control her own reproductive system is b/c she's "slutting around" and is therefore less of a person that the "decent girls" are.I'm not offended when someone like you, calls me a slut. I don't consider it a measure of pride or selfloathing. nbsp;It just literally means nothing when it's from someone with your opinions. Posted by VarunaTT[/QUOTE]

Again I never once said that I am against abortion. But your prejudging of me has apparently left you blind.

All I have said was that government should not be paying for abortions because some loose chick does not want to take responsibility for her actions.
Then you and others said government does not pay for them.

Yet now you acknowledge that in NY the stats does pay for them. So I am right. Period. You can call me every name under the sun, I am not the one speaking from ignorance.

Also I did not call you a slut, I asked.
A question and am accusation are entirely 2 different things.

BTW, You say someone like me, do you know me? I bet your husband feels the same way I do. Shoot for all you know I am your husband ;

aguysview

Also why is it okay for a woman to decide to terminate a pregnancy or give up a child for adoption if she doesn't want to deal with a kid. But if a guy decides that he does not want a child he is called a dead beat. I am not talking about medical issues, obviously if a womans life is in danger she should be urged to take what ever means necessary to save herself.

VarunaTT

Sorry, I never met my ex in a coffee shop and then lied about it (since it never happened) to my husband.  Nor have I ever had inappropriate text messages with another man not my husband.  So, you can't be my husband.

aguysview

Yeah my ex FI cheated on me. Burn! Should I google you I bet I can find much more on you. I also accept this as your acknowledgement that I am right, considering that you felt the need to attack my personal issues. Classy, your husband is a lucky man.

VarunaTT

You're going after me for class, after calling me a slut?  And you didn't attack me personally?

That's rich.  You're just a crazy troll now, instead of someone I disagreed with.

VarunaTT

Ha, I just realized you deleted that post.  Nice. You said, "Where you one of those loose women in college who didn't respect their bodies?  You sure sound like one."

That's nice.  

aguysview

I called you a slut? No I did not, I asked if you were. Big difference. Your just mad because you were proven wrong.