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  • edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]Mica and Biblio - Okay, that makes a lot of sense, now! As an outsider looking in, <strong>I'll honestly say that it looks very, hmm, controlling? extreme? to have some of the requirements that the Catholic church does to the naked eye</strong>. But we also don't know the reasoning behind it. Knowing it now, though, it is definitely something that I could more easily get behind. While I don't necessarily agree with it, I see now where they're coming from. I cannot believe how much I'm learning from this, it's really great. There is a lot of misunderstanding about the Catholic faith in my family, so it's a really good feeling to have things really explained from the perspectives of those in the faith itself. Thanks again, ladies :)
    Posted by SpokenVows[/QUOTE]

    Why does the knot keep eating my posts?!

    I was just going to say that I understand your feelings. My FI is not Catholic and feels the same way about certain things also. Heck, I feel that way about some things too! If you or your FI want to know more, maybe sitting down with a priest is a good idea, or getting a copy of the Catechism like PP suggested.
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    edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Teach Me? : Why does the knot keep eating my posts?! I was just going to say that I understand your feelings. My FI is not Catholic and feels the same way about certain things also. Heck, I feel that way about some things too! If you or your FI want to know more, maybe sitting down with a priest is a good idea, or <strong>getting a copy of the Catechism like PP suggested</strong>.
    Posted by SoHappyToBeMrsC[/QUOTE]

    I know I'll sound like a broken record - but I really cannot stress enough how much this has helped me truly understand aspects of the Church's teachings.

    For one very big reason, and no offense to the Catholics, I really truly considered the Catholic Church to be "the evil empire".  Though I don't plan on running out and converting, my perceptions and understanding of the Church has done a complete 180 since this book and the meetings with the priest.  I have a new respect for the sanctity of their rites/rituals/sacraments.

    I am Christian, but not Catholic; I have been away from my own church for many years and the thoughts and conversations that have developed through this process have made me realize how much I miss that in my life.

    It has been so incredibly worth it to me.

     

  • edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_teach?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:b9933215-6ce7-4498-b543-054afdd18515Post:b9549303-d7d9-4c97-8cdf-40083c306eef">Re: Teach Me?</a>:
    [QUOTE]Thanks for all the replies! They're very helpful. As linz said, a sin is a thought, action, or lack of action that separate you from God. So, wouldn't marrying a Pagan, for example, separate you from Him? A SO plays a large part in your life, and their religion is often brought into daily life situations, as well. But, if it's not considered a sin, I don't understand why FI's mother thinks it is. <strong>Very good Spoken. If you know that marrying a non-Christian/Catholic will take you away from your relationship with God and you do it anyway, that would be a sin. If you don't think it will, probably not a sin. And, for some Catholics, it actually draws them closer to God because they begin to value their faith more and lead their spouse into a relationship with God.</strong>

     Hmm. I guess I still don't really understand HAVING to get married in a Catholic church to have it recognised. But I also don't know what a Sacrament or a Eurcharist is. What is so different from a Catholic church and another church? Are they not both a house of God? <strong>A Sacrament is a public, tangible action that makes our Invisible God, Visible. So, the Eucharist, for example is the real presence of Jesus. He said in the Gospels that the bread and wine were His body and blood, and as Catholics, we like to take Him at His word and believe that by the power of the Holy Spirit, the bread and wine become Jesus' body and blood during Mass. Other Christians think of it as just a symbol or a temporary presence so it's kind of a big difference. One is saying the bread and wine are like a picture of Jesus that remind us of His sacrifice, the other (Catholic) perspective is that Jesus becomes truly present to us in the Eucharist. So that's a little bit about why the Catholic Church sees some differences between holding worship and celebrating a Sacrament in a Catholic church vs. a non-Catholic Church.

    </strong>Now that I understand why they have counselling, I actually love the idea. I'm not sure how I feel it is something you must do, but I think it's very smart to have it. And I understand the general idea of why they would want the children to be raised Catholic, but does it HAVE to be Catholic? Why not another denomination? <strong>As much as Catholics and Protestants are both Christians, there are some significant differences (see the comments above about the Eucharist, for example). As Catholics, we believe that there can be Truths about God in other religions, but the fullness of the Truth about God and His self-revelations are found in the Catholic Church. So, as an analogy, if you believe you have a completely nutritious feast to offer your children, why would you settle for a less nutritious or incomplete meal for your kids?

    </strong>I find the later convertion an interesting thing. A couple people had suggested to me that I convert to Catholicism for the wedding, and then convert back just to have our marriage recognised by FI's church. Personally, I find it would be extremely offensive to both religions, in a way. It would be a slap in the face to both of them Thanks again :) <strong>Yeah, that would be a slap in the face and I urge you to be open to the Catholic Church, but please don't convert just for the wedding, especially if you are only going to convert back. The Church's "rules" are all about the salvation of souls and are only in place to help bring about the conversion of hearts. If we treat them as the ends, rather than the means, we do a disservice to religion and faith. I'm glad you're asking these questions.</strong>
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  • edited December 2011
    Okay, finally got caught up on the convo, kind of, random mixed-up timing. But, I thought this quote is appropriate for the conversation:

    "There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church." - Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_teach?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural Wedding BoardsForum:615Discussion:b9933215-6ce7-4498-b543-054afdd18515Post:7523d434-7033-4bd8-82c2-5583c8e5ab9c">Re: Teach Me?</a>:
    [QUOTE]its my understanding that the dispensation is only given when there is a dire circumstance that necessitates it.
    Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

    Not at all Calypso

    My brother married in a Congrgationalist church with a priest on the altar.  It didn't requre much more than reguesting the dispensation
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    edited December 2011
    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/cultural-wedding-boards_catholic-weddings_teach?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Cultural%20Wedding%20BoardsForum:615Discussion:b9933215-6ce7-4498-b543-054afdd18515Post:135cb7fd-e3d6-46ef-a99e-8624aa5584dc">Re: Teach Me?</a>:
    [QUOTE]<strong>Yes, the Catholic church believes we are the right religion and others are not.</strong> If your FI does not believe in the church, does not go to Mass, and doesn't intend to raise his children to believe that the Catholic church is the one true religion (and if you don't agree with it), then it sounds like a Catholic wedding may not be right for the two of you as a couple, or for your future family. I know that sounds harsh, but you have to make the right choice for yourselves. If you do decide to skip the Catholic wedding, I would recommend presenting a united front to your MIL and family. They might have a very negative reaction.
    Posted by SoHappyToBeMrsC[/QUOTE]

    <div>I want to detail this more because it can be very misleading for those who are non-Catholic.  Due to misunderstandings pre-1960 the Church did a lot of work to <em>clarify</em> the teaching on Truth.  We've made progress since the 20th century and it would be good to not revert to misunderstanding on this board.</div><div>
    </div><div>The Church believes she has the fullness of the Truth. <strong> But this does not mean that other religions or beliefs do not have <em>any</em> truth. </strong> The Jews believe in one God, in common with all Christians.  The Protestants believe in the Holy Trinity, also in common with Catholics.  And it is obviously good and holy that Buddhist monks do many charitable works, that the Hindus love and teach their children, and so on.</div><div>
    </div><div><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000000;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">In the Creed, we say the Church is, "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic."  I'm going to focus on that last bit, "Apostolic."  What does that mean?  </span><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000000;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">It is Apostolic because the apostles </span><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000000;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">(the first bishops) </span><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000000;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">Jesus had chosen make up an unbroken line called Apostolic Sussession faithfully protecting t.  The death of the last apostle, St. John, marks the end of divine revelation.  After this there is no new teaching, only <em>clarifications</em>.  </span><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000000;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">Jesus assured the apostles and their successors (the popes and the bishops) by saying, "He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me."  Jesus promised to guide his Church into all Truth. We can have confidence that his Church teaches only the truth.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000000;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">
    </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000000;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">Does this mean that the Catholic Church has all religious answers?  Not at all.  There are certain questions that Jesus himself said we can't fathom, like how our soul rejoins our body during the ressurection of the body at the end of time.  Jesus just says it'll be great.  We call this a Mystery of our Faith.  </span><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000000;line-height:normal;" class="Apple-style-span">And not knowing every single answer doesn't impede us from being disciples of Jesus.</span></div>
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  • edited December 2011
    Thanks for clarifying the Truth issue, Clear. I was trying to convey the idea that other faiths have some truth in my post, but fell short.

    Also, I love all of our different analogies for why the Church thinks passing faith along is important. They are making me smile.
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    edited December 2011
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    [QUOTE]Thanks for clarifying the Truth issue, Clear. I was trying to convey the idea that other faiths have some truth in my post, but fell short. Also, I love all of our different analogies for why the Church thinks passing faith along is important. They are making me smile.
    Posted by bibliophile2010[/QUOTE]

    Ditto.  That was a very eloquent explanation.
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