Agree or disagree?

bbyckes

There's a whole lotta crazy in this thread. A whole lot.

banana468

Care to walk me through the process "an illegal" goes through to get all their benefits without a ssn or other proof of being in the country legally?You're right.  There's zero possibility that the system is being defrauded.

jennandnickgetmarried

Haha, Banana.

talltalltrees

Care to walk me through the process "an illegal" goes through to get all their benefits without a ssn or other proof of being in the country legally?You're right. There's zero possibility that the system is being defrauded.Would you like to explain how? Or just "well it could be!!!"?

jennandnickgetmarried

Would you like to explain how? Or just "well it could be!!!"?Yeah, you're totally right.  Considering the huuuuuuuuuuge amount of moral people involved with the government, I bet none of the caseworkers just help their clients lie or help them do whatever it takes.

banana468

People get 'fake' social security #s all.the.time.My aunt has worked for a benefits company and she's witnessed it firsthand.   Yes she does what she can to stop it but when the economy sucks and it comes to being a pot stirrer or keeping your job, you do what you can to keep your job.

jennandnickgetmarried

Banana,Not to mention that even if she tried to report it, it's possible her supervisors would just poo-poo her because the government doesn't always care.  It would cost even more money for the government to track down everyone abusing the system than it does to just give it out.

copzgirl

Yeah, you're totally right. Considering the huuuuuuuuuuge amount of moral people involved with the government, I bet none of the caseworkers just help their clients lie or help them do whatever it takes.I am totally confused here...isn't your FI/DH one of these said employees??  this is where me making assumptions would not be good right??

jamm2019

There are US programs out there that help Illegal immigrants find free health care and other government programs that they can get free services without being deported for violating federal immigration laws.

jennandnickgetmarried

cozgirl,You would be correct because you are making assumptions.  I never said my FI was one of these people.  He does, however, work with these people.  When it's brought up, he's told to shut up.  This woman has even paraded her client boyfriends to work with her, and nothing happens.  Good luck trying to change it!But hey, thanks for trying to call me out.  I'm glad you're being productive today, twisting my words around and all that stuff.  Good for you!  Cookie?

Emmybean

There are US programs out there that help Illegal immigrants find free health care and other government programs that they can get free services without being deported for violating federal immigration laws.Care to list them for me? Cause I've got some friends....

smokeybailey

Uh, back to healthcare.  The only thing I'd like to say is that there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER that a family should have to declare bankruptcy because someone gets cancer or some other critical disease.  Your friend can tell me to sell everything I own but if there is not any sort of reform in our current health care system, it won't help if I get really sick.  My insurance company can dump me or if I am un/underinsured and I get sick, I may just be out of my complete livelihood.  I may be following all the rules and buying insurance but, oops, it doesn't cover this life threatening illness.  Oh well, right?Also, until there is reform, those without will continue to go to emergency rooms, which overwhelms hospitals and in turn causes closures due to cash shortage.Looks like one pays either way....

EastSideFluffy

My aunt has worked for a benefits company and she's witnessed it firsthand. Yes she does what she can to stop it but when the economy sucks and it comes to being a pot stirrer or keeping your job, you do what you can to keep your job. She doesn't report it?!!?!?!?!  But my tax dollars are going to buy terrorists caviar and skittles.  She should be ashamed of herself.Besides, if she loses her job, then she'd get to buy caviar and skittles on every one else's dime.  I'd much rather my hard earned tax dollars go to buy gourmet meals for a terrorist-fighting hero like that than to some poor El Salvadorian child in need of a flu shot.

[Deleted User]

Sing it, sister! Grocery stores should just hire minutemen as cashiers. They can police welfare and the borders at the same time! Any person using food stamps will be required to show a valid passport or be deported. _______________ This would make my day so much better. I would love to pack some heat while I am checking out people through my line. I already make metal notes of the clothes, car and food items that welfare recipients have while I am checking them out so being able to take out some illegals would break up the monotony.

talltalltrees

here are US programs out there that help Illegal immigrants find free health care and other government programs that they can get free services without being deported for violating federal immigration laws.Which programs are these? They are not eligible for welfare, unemployment or food stamps, to name a few. So I'd be interested in knowing which government programs offer free services to illegal immigrants. This free health care you're referring to, is it government funded or charity/private care?

banana468

Too late ESF she already lost her job.

notquiteblushing

I'm late to this thread but I think your friend is an @sshole. 

MrsBPO

Since the board crashed as I posted my response. Sarah, I am so sorry about your brother. Believe me, I understand your pain and your parents' and, to some extent, your brother's. And on that note, here I go again. To the OP and all the other posters "in support". My mother was a "welfare queen" when she hada hysterectomy and was on bed rest and recuperation for almost a year. That was the only time we'd ever been on assistance after she and my dad divorced. My good friend had to put her kids on welfare when she was put on SSI for a disability she incurred when she was plowed down by a drunk driver and her best friend killed before her eyes...in her own driveway. If she didn't apply for benefits for them, they were going to be placed in the foster system where "they would get better care" since she "wasn't providing as best she could" for them. I was on welfare. I committed welfare fraud and I would do it again if I had to do it over. My former husband was a disabled veteran, serving his second tour when he was disabled. We were in our mid-twenties when he started having grand mal seizures and he was disabled out of the military. He was given a disability rating, after a number of months, several hospitalizations and many seizures, that alloted us medical for him and $506/month to provide for our family. We lost military housing, our car, our savings, and everything else. We couldn't go on welfare because he had his military pension and we were appealing the decision. Our car wasn't registered in the right state (we were stationed in one state and we moved back to my/our home state but couldn't afford to register our car there without money, and we couldn't get money because our car wasn't registered in the state. Vicious circle without end. We had three, going on four, children and my husband was seizing uncontrollably. No health benefits for the family of this man who was disabled serving this country. No Social Security because he wasn't disabled enough or it should be coming from the VA not SSA. No welfare for every reason of plausible deniability for weeks and months on end. I was 7.5 months pregnant and had lost two jobs (retail nights and graveyards at a convenience store) due to exhaustion from pregnancy, overwork, stress, caring for three kids, caring for a disabled husband and everything else. We were fortunate to find a sympathetic apartment manager who let us rent for partial each month while we waited for the VA appeals. Then the manager ran off with the rent money and we had to leave. At 7.5 months, denied welfare multiple times, denied SSI, denied full VA benefits, denied denied denied, we ended up living in a tent. I went to the welfare office and told them my husband left me and the kids and we were abandoned and living in a tent. Because there was no husband, I got emergency assistance withint two hours. Miraculously, a couple days later he "returned" to us. And from that point on we were "those people." When our youngest son was 6 weeks old, we finally found a house. Yes, three months in a tent while we tried to find a house that would accept us. Our son, the child of a disabled veteran, came home from the hospital to live in a tent. My ex was still seizing several times per week and I was caring for him and doing the best I could for him and my kids. And because he was a man living off the system, he was treated with disdain and disgust. The caseworker would speak with/at me while he stood there, telling me to tell him what he needed to know or do. This went on for months. This man, who had worked and suffered for months, was less than nothing in her eyes and in the eyes of everyone around us because he and his family were "welfare recipients." It was humiliating to cash the checks that came each month, and see, or feel, the looks of the people around you, the bank tellers, and everyone else. Because you were "welfare recipients." We were talked down to because we were welfare recipients (and no, this is not my imagination. I was told "don't be stupid" and "you're a liar" and "you don't know" by these charming people many times over that period. Because I was a recipient and therefore stupid and uneducated and a drain on society. I still remember the look on my poor ex's face when the caseworker called us in one day shortly after we'd moved into our house. By that time, they didn't even bother seeing the clients at their desks. They'd installed a phone bank and called the lobby from their desks. We were sitting in the lobby for quite some time when he was finally called to pick up the phone. I was sitting across the lobby with the kids and looked over, to see his face drain of color and him drop the phone to his side. He put the phone back to his ear and yelled into it "Didn't you even read the file. I CAN'T WORK. They WON'T LET ME. I am a Disabled Veteran. If you can find me a job the government will let me do, I'll take it. I can't work on computers. I can't use power tools. I can't climb on ladders. I can't do anything. Except I'm a guinea pig until they figure out what's wrong with me." It broke him that day. It took me and him many years to pick up those pieces. People like the OP's friend are the reason we were humiliated, the reason I went back to work so soon after that, the reason my children were raised by a broken and battered man while I worked and slaved and did menial jobs and anything else I could instead of staying home to care for him and them until he was stable, and returning to school to be able to raise them better. (I left when we married and moved with the military. They didn't have online education back then; they didn't have a lot of things you take for granted today. For all you know, she has an injured spouse or a disabled child; she's raising a half-dozen foster children (yes, you can get public assistance for fostering a child); the car might be worth very little (mine was only worth a few thousand, and Ford Explorers were the biggest trade-ins for Cash for Clunkers btw.) or it's a remnant of better times (I would have kept my little Escort if we could have made the payments, after all.) There are a million stories behind the people using the cards. And more of them are honest stories than dishonest ones. Please don't judge if you don't know the story. If she's dishonest, she doesn't care. If she's honest, it kills her enough to be having to use that card and face the condemnation in the eyes of the people in line behind her.