some clarification, please

crfische

I think the best results come from those offenders who are in treatment, have an extensive support system, and a probabtion officer who keeps tabs on them, and the three entities are working together. It's a hawthorne effect of sorts. If you have someone to be accountable to, that's your best bet. Keep in mind there are a number different types of sex offenders.

Liberty27

Also with the fact that a wife chooses not to turn her husband in and the protection of the children.  I can see where a wife would make that decision, I am not defending it, I can just see the reasoning.  Say a wife finds out what a husband is doing illegally, and she has to decide whether or not to turn him in.  If she does she could potentially risk her children being ostrazied (sp?) at school and at home.  The father could be put on the SO list, and some women may feel that is worse, depending on the crime.  Once again, I am not defending it, just trying to explain why I think they may decide that.

danieliza1127

Liberty - maybe it depends on the type of offense, I think that's what you're saying.  I hope that's what you're saying.  Peeping by video is quite different from molestation, I get that.  I'm hoping if you found out your daughter was being molested by your husband that you would turn him in, if not, then I feel sorry for your kids should anything devastating like that ever happen to them.

Liberty27

Yeah- it is completely dependent on the crime.

danieliza1127

And for the record, I'm not saying I agree with you Liberty, just trying to understand your point of view. 

tidetravel

In most cases, I think it's a matter of denial on the part of the wife.  It's not like she found out he was committing petty theft.  He was violating his own underage daughter and her friends.  Filming 14 year old girls is child pornography and is a federal crime.  If she finds out he is doing it, and does nothing, she's just as guilty as he is.The potential ramifications from allowing him to continue far outweigh any social ramifications that may arise from turning him in.   

Liberty27

Thats not my opinon, that is just where I could see another women coming from. My opinon is that as of right now sex offender laws can be counter productive to rehabilitation and that certain crimes need to be dealt with more harshly while others need to be given more leinency.  Someone who commits more than one crime or a crime against someone under the age of 10 should probably spend the rest of their life in jail, while two kids who happen to be under the age of consent who have sex with eachother shouldn't be labeled as sex offenders for life.  I think the umbrella laws for sex offenders need to be changed.

BecW2be

Dear god, Liberty, are you actually suggesting you could understand a woman not turning in her husband so that they don't look bad in the community?!? Please say you are not. Let that little girl figure out that her protector defended her offender instead of her just to save face and make sure the perv was around for prom and graduation. THAT won't cause need for any additional therapy AT ALL.

sarabellam

Pumpkin, you may be right that I'm overreacting just a bit. When you know the (alleged) victim, it shifts the way you look at situations like this.

Liberty27

I would personally never defend a husband who would be doing that to my daughter.  I am saying that, depending on a lot of different circumstances, such as the crime, the victim, ect., ect., that could be a thought process a woman would go through. 

kate51485

So if someone abuses a child only one time, and the child is over 10, the offense is somehow lessened? 

TheSaltyPeanut

I agree with Liberty on that last statement. I'm coming into this thread kind of late, but I've had extensive training on adult sex offenders and worked with them for several years before changing professions. You cannot just take all levels of sex offenders and throw them in prison. Most people would be horrified to know the amount of money one prisoner costs tax payers each year. FI works in corrections too, so we follow this stuff pretty closely.

TheSaltyPeanut

I should clarify that I would in a heartbeat turn FI, H, Dad, Mom, WHOEVER I found to be a perpetrator of ANY type of sex offense!

stina93446

Thanks for the cliff notes, go heels for posting that bit. I wasn't going to read hers. because I was lazy. That being said, I would TOTALLY turn my F/DH in for that. And he would go to jail because yes, that is sick what he did!

Liberty27

Of course evrything needs to be handled on a case by case basis but i don't think someone who abuses a child over 10 once should have no consequences.  Of course there are consequences!  But do I think two teenagers who have consensual sex should have the rest of there lives ruined?  Absolutely not.  There needs to be a realistic line drawn on what is a crime and what is not. 

sarabellam

You cannot just take all levels of sex offenders and throw them in prison. Most people don't advocate throwing the 17 year-old that gets a BJ from his 15 year-old girlfriend into prison. But in cases where the age difference is so great, do you not think that prison is warrented?

brookelynpaisley

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ffmaid

Wow This is so not what I expected from the title of this post. I was expecting something like which is maid or matron of honor or some frippery like that. Anyone Anyone who woudl sexually abuse someone an din particular a child is a scuzzbucket that needs to both go to jail and get mental help in jail. If someone works in child abuse services and feels that these people are not scuzzbuckets that need confinement and metal help then they are in teh wrong proffession and should be fired. Ugh creepy

TheSaltyPeanut

Honestly, in some cases, no. Each case is obviously different. There are MANY factors that come into play. I specifically used to perform presentence recommendations for the Court and make sentencing recommendations for sex crimes.

TheSaltyPeanut

ffmaid I hope that was not directed at me, that is not what I said at all.

ffmaid

No peanut it had nothing to do with you . It was in response to "Legally I would have to, because I am an intern at a child abuse service agency and therefore am a mandated reported to abuse. Personally though, I do not share the normal view that these people are disgusting and that their only option should be jail. Take that as you wish. " Which is a scuzzbucket thing to say I am not talking about a 18 and 17 year old fooling around I'm talking abuse. When anyone sexually abuses anyone and in particular when an adult abuses a kid they are beyond icky

sarabellam

Saltypeanut, I think ffmaid is aiming at the person from whom I asked for clarification, not at you.I still can't get past the statement that denialante, someone who wants to be a social worker, does not view an alleged child pornographer as disgusting.

danieliza1127

SaltyPeanut - me too!!  That's exactly what I did for two years and I had to do all of the sex offense cases that came through the county during that period.

TheSaltyPeanut

thank you andplusalso, the reason why I changed professions is because the work WAS exhausting physically and mentally draining. I had to make recommendations that were consistent with what is common in our area along with other factors. If I were to recommend 20 years in prison for the above noted offense, I would be laughed out of Court and ripped a new one from my boss. It’s just not realistic. Do I think that dude is a creepy mcCreeperson? OBVIOUSLY!

TheSaltyPeanut

mahh! That's awesome Dani!