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Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)

I have two questions, as you will see while reading this.

I live in WI. My husband and I do not have much disposable income.

My sister and her husband are quite wealthy and live in an extremely large, expensive home in NJ. She does not work. One of her two sons, who also lives in NJ, is 29 and is getting married for the second time; he has an almost nine year old son from his first marriage.

We "attended" his first wedding by cell phone. My parents, in their 80's at the time, were too ill/frail to make the trip back to NJ for the wedding so by an arranged plan on both ends, a cell phone was placed near the bride and groom during the ceremony so that we could hear the whole thing here in WI. They got married because she was pregnant. No one in my family really approved of the young woman (my sister more than anyone; the bride-to-be was wild and had a rather colorful lifestyle, to put it mildly). As such, it was a very small (but elegant) garden wedding.

Now, my much-loved nephew has become engaged to a lovely girl and the wedding will be held in an historical inn's gardens with about 150 guests.

My husband and I, after comparing the cost of flying to NJ and renting a car against driving there from WI found it is more cost effective for us to drive; still not cheap by any means, just cheaper than flying and car rental.

This entails driving the 20 hour, one way trip without stopping for the night to pay for a hotel, both there and back. My husband's employer pays a small hourly wage and then according to production rates, so his paycheck for the week we are gone will be very, very small. I am disabled and have a fixed income. We have two dogs we will have to board while gone. Gas and meals while traveling and in NJ, along with the wedding gift, which will be a generous amount of money, will stretch us to our limits.

My sister advised me via email last night that we will not be able to stay at her home while we are there, because her other son and his girlfriend are flying in from CO and staying with them. Their home has five bedrooms. It will be my sister, her husband and her son and his girlfriend but no room for us?. Hotels nearby are at least $150 per night, which puts us way, way past the money we have available to us to make this trip. I should also mention that there will be no other guests or family traveling to the wedding from out of state, so it is not a case where they are being inundated with requests to stay at their home.

So here is the first question; if we decide not to attend, is it selfish and horrible of us? Should we dust off the credit card and charge a trip that we can't afford for the sake of my engaged nephew, of whom I am very fond? 

As an alternative to attending we were thinking of sending a monetary wedding gift and also buying my nephew and his bride plane tickets to come to WI at their leisure and stay with us at our northwoods cabin, which sits on a pristine river. My nephew and his fiance love nature, hiking and fishing and have been longing for a chance to come here, and we would provide all of their ground transportation and meals during their visit. This way, we would spend quality, enjoyable time with my nephew and his new bride and do not have to deal with my sister at all.

My sister, through her rejection of us, has already ensured that there are hurt feelings on our end and friction that will no doubt last for a while. So here is the second question: am I asking too much by asking if the two of us can stay at her home for three or four days?

What I thought was going to be a joyous occasion and a wonderful visit has turned overnight into an ugly family situation. I know my sister will have a full plate with the wedding but all we are asking for is a bed. I don't know if I am having an emotional, knee-jerk reaction and need to give her space during such a busy time or if she is being an absolute jerk.

Carol in WI


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Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)

  • If you really can't afford it or it would put you in a bad spot financially, there's nothing wrong with declining the invitation.  Just send a nice card/heartfelt letter of congratulations, express your regret at not being able to make it to the wedding, and send a nice wedding gift.
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  • Don't do something that you can't afford to do.  I totally understand that you think your sister should offer up a place to stay--tell her that you are concerned about finances and see if she offers to have you stay with her.  But I hope you can be understanding if she doesnt offer--I can also understand how having house guests while also preparing for a family wedding could be too much for them.

    I don't think you need to give your nephew a huge monetary gift-chances are that he has some understanding of your financial situation, and would feel bad if you really put yourself out.  I think offering to fly him and his new wife up to Wisconsin on top of a monetary gift is really too much--very generous of you, but too much.  Definitely invite them to come visit, and use the cabin--if they are outdoorsy, they would probably love to take you up on this.  But you certainly shouldn't pay for their plane tickets (but taking them out for a meal - doesnt have to be fancy - while they are visiting would be a nice gesture)

    Bottom line-don't stretch your budget and do something you can't afford.  They should understand--and if they don't, theyre not people to put yourself out over anyways.
  • 1)  no it's not bad that you can't afford to attend the wedding.

    2) Short answer is she is not obligated to have you stay at their place. 

    Long answer:  In my family we ALWAYS let people stay at our house.  We bunk up, sleep on couchs or air mattress, whatever.  There was 18 people staying at our beach rental the night before our wedding (7 bedroom/8 bath house).   When we travel to any family member there is an assumption we would be staying at their home.  It's just want we (immediate and extended family) does.  My sister is very wealth, yet her family of 5 stayed in our 2 bedroom condo for a few days.   

     We know that travel costs money.  We would rather them stay with us, then not be able to see them at all because of hotel costs.  It's just not hotel costs.   Staying in a home allows you to cook in.(we always contribute to the food for the house.)   Staying in a hotel =  having to eat every meal out.  That adds to the costs also.  

    I'll admit that if my sister told me I couldn't stay at her house I would be taken back.   It also might mean we couldn't visit.   Seeing my sister would far outweigh the inconvenience of having extra guests in my home.

    Point is, if your family is like ours, i completely understand you being taken back by not being able to stay.  Unfortunately, there is nothing you can really do about it.






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  • arendivaarendiva member
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    edited January 2013
    I don't know how generous your monetary gift was meant to be but you could use that money to pay for a hotel instead. I agree with PP's that you should be able to find something cheaper that 150. As a gift you could get them something small of their registry instead, or just get them a card. Your presence IS a gift.
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  • Hello, and thanks for your valuable perspective. The wedding will be in the Bernardsville area, which has two hotels within 15 minutes. Both are very, very high end and do not offer rooms for less than $140 per night. I am a native of NJ and know the state well; I am sure we could find somewhere cheaper to stay, but we would then have to drive up to an hour to get to all of the venues (rehearsal dinner, wedding, reception and my sister's home). I think that the reason I am bothered so much by this "rejection" is because of both recent and long term selfishness on my sister's part that has greatly effected our relationship. While her past behavior is a big factor in my hurt feelings, it doesn't involve a wedding so I won't bore anybody with a monologue about a long standing sibling spat. <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> I think we will have to sit this one out, as it is not fare to the bride and groom for tensions to flare during this exciting and joyful time for them.

    Thanks again! Carol

    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nasty-family-mess-over-nephews-second-wedding-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:89004a1d-9c99-49e2-8873-aeec92dde340Post:7ea306f1-a4b4-49ba-b549-e61d14d1a3a1">Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Hi Carol! To your first question, no I don't think it is awful of you to skip the wedding. Sometimes there are things we'd like to do, but don't have the time or money for. It is understandable. To your second question, it would be nice if your sister offered to let you stay in her home, but she isn't obligated. You might mention the possibility of being unable to attend because of the travel costs and see if she offers, but if she doesn't I can't blame her. House guests are a lot of work for the hosts. Since finances are a concern, I would try to cut your costs a bit more. Don't worry about a big expensive gift if you can't afford it. Your nephew cares about you more than about fat envelopes. As for a hotel, you should be able to find something for less than $150. We got married in NJ and we were able to find hotels for around $100/night, and depending on the area there might be some motels around too.
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  • Wow! Great ideas and responses, and for that I thank you all. There is a lot of history to my relationship with my sister, and this rejection is ugly icing on a nasty cake, unfortunately. She will have three empty bedrooms and knows that my husband and I do not require any host/hostessing efforts. She also knows that she is pushing our relationship onto incredibly thin ice by telling us we cannot stay there because of her other son and his girlfriend being there. Her other son and girlfriend visit all the time, so it isn't a case of wanting to share a rare visit from him.

    Our home has always been open to them. In 2008, our parents died within two weeks of each other and her whole family was here at once. We housed them, fed them and drove them around and never gave a thought to any "inconvenience" to us. It was a desparately sad time, but a time when families pull together. To me, this is a joyous and happy time - when families pull together. In thinking this through, I believe that she and I each have a completely different perspective on such things.

    That being said, even if we find a way to cut costs and still make the trip there are already hurt feelings. Without going into a lot of detail, my sister has gone to great effort and expense to cook for (every day), accomodate and build housing for a feral cat that hangs around her house. Much greater an effort than she is willing to go to for me, so I think we will forego the wedding and stay away from a situation that is a pile of hot coals just waiting to burst into flames if any fuel is added.

    That would simply not be fair to my nephew and his fiance, and it is their day.
  • I don't recommend going into debt over this. We had a fair number of declines for our wedding and I understood that not everyone could make it. If you do decide to go, I wouldn't stress over giving a "generous" gift. A cousin of mine gave us $20 and I was shocked because I know they don't have a lot of money and they had flown their family of four out from California to attend, I really wasn't expecting anything at all.

    If you can afford it, I think it would be a lovely gesture to offer to fly the newlyweds out to visit, just please don't be hurt if they decline for one reason or another.
  • Do not put yourselves into a financial hardship just to attend this wedding.  Since you are originially from NJ are there any other relatives you could stay with?  A cousin or aunt/uncle? 

    In terms of other cost savings, have you looked into booking your rental car through hotwire.com?  They have the cheapest car rental rates I have found.  Perhaps those savings could allow you to stay one or two nights in the hotel?  Also, you can get cheap hotel nights there too.  I just did a quick search and they had hotels available in Basking Ridge for $63 per night for March (just picked a month).  The only thing with hotwire, is that you do not know what car rental company or hotel you are using/staying in until you make your purchase.

    If you can afford the trip, then go.  If you cannot, I would send a gift onto your nephew and his bride.  And if you want, make the offer for them to come to WI to stay at your cabin.  But do not put you and your family into a bad financial situation to attend the wedding.
  • RamonaFlowersRamonaFlowers member
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nasty-family-mess-over-nephews-second-wedding-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:89004a1d-9c99-49e2-8873-aeec92dde340Post:487ba3fa-ba24-4049-bd44-40c146642ac4">Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]I have two questions, as you will see while reading this. I live in WI. My husband and I do not have much disposable income.<strong> My sister and her husband are quite wealthy and live in an extremely large, expensive home in NJ. She does not work. </strong>One of her two sons, who also lives in NJ, is 29 and is getting married for the second time; he has an almost nine year old son from his first marriage. We "attended" his first wedding by cell phone. My parents, in their 80's at the time, were too ill/frail to make the trip back to NJ for the wedding so by an arranged plan on both ends, a cell phone was placed near the bride and groom during the ceremony so that we could hear the whole thing here in WI. They got married because she was pregnant. No one in my family really approved of the young woman (my sister more than anyone; the bride-to-be was wild and had a rather colorful lifestyle, to put it mildly). As such, it was a very small (but elegant) garden wedding. Now, my much-loved nephew has become engaged to a lovely girl and the wedding will be held in an historical inn's gardens with about 150 guests. My husband and I, after comparing the cost of flying to NJ and renting a car against driving there from WI found it is more cost effective for us to drive; still not cheap by any means, just cheaper than flying and car rental. This entails driving the 20 hour, one way trip without stopping for the night to pay for a hotel, both there and back. My husband's employer pays a small hourly wage and then according to production rates, so his paycheck for the week we are gone will be very, very small. I am disabled and have a fixed income. We have two dogs we will have to board while gone. Gas and meals while traveling and in NJ, along with the wedding gift, which will be a generous amount of money, will stretch us to our limits. <strong>My sister advised me via email last night that we will not be able to stay at her home while we are there, because her other son and his girlfriend are flying in from CO and staying with them. Their home has five bedrooms. It will be my sister, her husband and her son and his girlfriend but no room for us?.</strong> Hotels nearby are at least $150 per night, which puts us way, way past the money we have available to us to make this trip. <strong>I should also mention that there will be no other guests or family traveling to the wedding from out of state, so it is not a case where they are being inundated with requests to stay at their home.</strong> So here is the first question ; if we decide not to attend, is it selfish and horrible of us? Should we dust off the credit card and charge a trip that we can't afford for the sake of my engaged nephew, of whom I am very fond?  As an alternative to attending we were thinking of sending a monetary wedding gift and also buying my nephew and his bride plane tickets to come to WI at their leisure and stay with us at our northwoods cabin, which sits on a pristine river. My nephew and his fiance love nature, hiking and fishing and have been longing for a chance to come here, and we would provide all of their ground transportation and meals during their visit. This way, we would spend quality, enjoyable time with my nephew and his new bride and do not have to deal with my sister at all. My sister, through her rejection of us, has already ensured that there are hurt feelings on our end and friction that will no doubt last for a while. <strong>So here is the second question:  am I asking too much by asking if the two of us can stay at her home for three or four days? What I thought was going to be a joyous occasion and a wonderful visit has turned overnight into an ugly family situation. I know my sister will have a full plate with the wedding but all we are asking for is a bed. </strong>I don't know if I am having an emotional, knee-jerk reaction and need to give her space during such a busy time or if she is being an absolute jerk. Carol in WI
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    It sucks that you guys don't have the means to travel to the wedding, and while it would be a shame to miss it, it would be foolish to spend money you don't have on something that wasn't an absolute necessity, given your current financial situation.

    That being said, while it may sound harsh: your money problems are nobody's but your own. And your sister's financial situation (Which you seem to have an awful lot to say about) is none of your business. While it would be nice of your sister to offer up space, she's not actually doing anything wrong by not allowing you to stay with her. It's her house. She can host/not host whomever she wants to. It's not like she's responsible for your financial situation and "owes" you a room at her house.

    And to be honest, if my one kid was getting ready for a wedding and I had another kid and his s/o already coming in from out of state to stay with me, I probably wouldn't be interested in taking on extra house guests.

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  • Wow. I never said we had money problems. I just said that we don't have a lot of disposable income and that this would be an expensive trip for us, made prohibitively expensive with hotel costs. And I don't believe, after re-reading my post, that I had "a lot to say" about my sister's financial situation, just that she was wealthy and thus lives in a big house with lots of bedrooms.

    My elderly parents were forced to move out of their lifetime home in NJ because of all of the stairs. I saw my parents more frequently each year while living in WI than my sister did, who lives 30 minutes from the house they lived in. She would not visit my parents because she "didn't care for" driving through the town she and I grew up in, which is a nice, respectable, attractive town; just not full of mansions.

    My parents moved to Wisconsin to be near me, because she never had time for them. I took time off from work to help them shop for a home, close on a home, clean, paint and recarpet the home and my husband and I flew to NJ so that we could drive them and each of their cars back to WI. I took a week off of work to help them unpack and move in after the moving van got here. My sister was supposed to come help, too. She canceled the <strong><em>night before</em></strong> because her dog had an upset tummy and wouldn't eat unless she hand fed it omelettes that she cooked for it. She would not come visit my parents unless they paid for her plane ticket.

    My father was in the hospital and deathly ill with pneumonia, and I called her and told her to get on a plane immediately if she wanted to ever speak to him again. She refused, because she was exhausted from flying home from England the day before from a vacation that my mother begged her not to take because my father was so sick. She did not want to drive herself to the airport (30 minutes away) and said it was too late to get a limo that same day. I told her that our father was dying and that she should get here by plane, train, automobile or covered wagon as fast as she could and she said she would  come the following day when she was more rested and could schedule a limousine.He went into a coma before she got here and he never got to see or talk to her again. He died three days later.

    After sending her and her husband a beautiful Christmas gift she told me she didn't have time to shop for anything for us. I told her that while she needn't buy us anything - that in lieu of a gift, if she wanted, she had the option of making a tax deductible donation to a favorite charity of mine. She could do it online in five minutes or less; no shopping involved. While she thought it was a good idea, she didn't want to make the donation unless she was absolutely guaranteed that she was going to get a receipt to use as a tax deduction.She had the option of requesting that her donation be used to buy food or fuel for families with nothing to eat and no way to heat their homes in frigid winter temperatures - or asking that it be used for dog rescue efforts. She chose the dogs.

    Yes, my feelings are hurt and yes, her wealth and her selfishness are hard to bear when put in the context of her actions. I could write more about her incredulous actions, but that's about all I can stand to think about due to the heartache that it brings.

    So if I seem put out and taken aback by her actions, excuse me.

    You are right, you do sound harsh and I don't appreciate disproportionate comments about what I wrote.




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    [QUOTE]In Response to Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long) : It sucks that you guys don't have the means to travel to the wedding, and while it would be a shame to miss it, it would be foolish to spend money you don't have on something that wasn't an absolute necessity, given your current financial situation. That being said, while it may sound harsh: your money problems are nobody's but your own. And your sister's financial situation (Which you seem to have an awful lot to say about) is none of your business. While it would be nice of your sister to offer up space, she's not actually doing anything wrong by not allowing you to stay with her. It's her house. She can host/not host whomever she wants to. It's not like she's responsible for your financial situation and "owes" you a room at her house. And to be honest, if my one kid was getting ready for a wedding and I had another kid and his s/o already coming in from out of state to stay with me, I probably wouldn't be interested in taking on extra house guests.
    Posted by RamonaFlowers[/QUOTE]
  • Lastly, the son who is getting married does not live with her. He has his own place. My sister and her husband will be sharing their gigantic, five bedroom house and carriage house with TWO other people; her other son and his girlfriend. And three cats.






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    [QUOTE]In Response to Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long) : It sucks that you guys don't have the means to travel to the wedding, and while it would be a shame to miss it, it would be foolish to spend money you don't have on something that wasn't an absolute necessity, given your current financial situation. That being said, while it may sound harsh: your money problems are nobody's but your own. And your sister's financial situation (Which you seem to have an awful lot to say about) is none of your business. While it would be nice of your sister to offer up space, she's not actually doing anything wrong by not allowing you to stay with her. It's her house. She can host/not host whomever she wants to. It's not like she's responsible for your financial situation and "owes" you a room at her house. And to be honest, if my one kid was getting ready for a wedding and I had another kid and his s/o already coming in from out of state to stay with me, I probably wouldn't be interested in taking on extra house guests.
    Posted by RamonaFlowers[/QUOTE]
  • It sounds like you have a bad relationship with your sister, and that's unfortunate, but it sounds like it's unlikely to change and you will just get disappointed if you keep expecting her to do the kind/generous/sisterly thing.  

    It sounds like it would really stretch your finances and be not wholly pleasant to attend the wedding.  I wouldd not go.  I think your plan to send your regrets and a gift is fine.  Explain to your nephew (not your sister) that you are truly sorry to miss it, but you would love to send them plane tickets when it would be convenient for them to visit so that you can all spend some time at the lake together.  

  • It sounds like the issue you have is with your sister, not your nephew. I am confused that you state you can't afford to stay in a hotel, but say that if you decline, you will send your nephew a monetary gift AND plane tickets to come visit. What if you attend the wedding and pay for the hotel and offer use of your cabin as a gift to them? That way you aren't paying for a gift at all, but can still attend for your nephew.
  • Sorry, if I said purchase plane tickets I forgot to state that we have frequent flyer miles that we are not using and are about to expire. I never knew they could "die of old age", but I earned them through Northwest Airlines when I was still working and they were transferred to Delta when Northwest went under. Delta will only honor them for so much longer. 

    Have begged my family for years to come for a stay at our cabin. They are all very outdoorsy. Several times per year I get texts from my sister telling me what a great time they are having on a fishing or horseback or rafting vacation in Colorado, Wyoming or Montana. I then ask her if they can stop here on their way home. Minneapolis/St. Paul Airport is an easy and usually free stop to add to a trip from the east coast out west, or back. They never have time, and the reason they don't plan it into their trips to begin with is always, "it was so last minute, I never even thought about it:"

    Putting all of this in writing has been very clarifying. It is hard to believe that I grew up in the same house with the same parents as this person. I think that I've been trying too hard for too long in the hopes that generosity of spirit will shine through eventually and that we can have a nice relationship. Given our differences in how we approach things, I don't think that is going to happen.

    Thanks for all your constructive comments. I've made up my mind. As much as I would have loved to be there, the scales are in favor of staying home.


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    [QUOTE]It sounds like the issue you have is with your sister, not your nephew. I am confused that you state you can't afford to stay in a hotel, but say that if you decline, you will send your nephew a monetary gift AND plane tickets to come visit. What if you attend the wedding and pay for the hotel and offer use of your cabin as a gift to them? That way you aren't paying for a gift at all, but can still attend for your nephew.
    Posted by jennyd412[/QUOTE]
  • There is just so much unnecessary information here. She could be a multibillionaire with 800 free bedrooms in a gigantic Scottish castle and it wouldn't matter. She doesn't want you there. It sucks, but it is what it is. And your socioeconomic situation doesn't matter, either. You said attending this wedding and having to pay for a hotel would not be a financial drop in the bucket for you. So don't go and put the money elsewhere. Or go. Either way, the fact that you don't get along with the owner of the house should be NO shock to you that she doesn't want to host you.
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    [QUOTE]It sounds like the issue you have is with your sister, not your nephew. I am confused that you state you can't afford to stay in a hotel, but say that if you decline, you will send your nephew a monetary gift AND plane tickets to come visit. What if you attend the wedding and pay for the hotel and offer use of your cabin as a gift to them? That way you aren't paying for a gift at all, but can still attend for your nephew.
    Posted by jennyd412[/QUOTE]

    <div>Didn't OP say that her H would have to take time off work, like almost a whole week?  So they could spend (theoretically) the same amount of money of their gift to the nephew but won't be out the money from the missed work. </div><div>
    </div><div>And I agree, there is a lot of extra information that really isn't needed. But I'm pretty sure the OP has said a few times now that she is just going to stay home because of the issues with her sister and financial burden to them and she doesn't want to risk drama getting brought into nephew's wedding.</div>
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  • OP, are there other family members living near by that you could possibly stay with? You said there weren't many out of state guests so that makes me think there may be other places. 
  • WOW. Most of you have been so helpful! Some of you have not. I agree ... too much information and I'm the one who put it there. Trying to justify myself while "under fire", I guess. I honestly thought - in a forum like this - that everyone would be kind.

    Thank you to all of you who have offered great advice and suggestions, which is almost all of you. I appreciate that. I have never posted a conundrum like this online before, and honestly - some of the criticisms are shocking. I have to say, whether for this or any other issue - I will not do it again.

    Critical thinking means reading and listening to or observing facts. Too many subjective observations here to make me want to do this again.

    But a big THANK YOU to the ideas and suggestions offered.

    Signing off now. Carol in WI

  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nasty-family-mess-over-nephews-second-wedding-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:89004a1d-9c99-49e2-8873-aeec92dde340Post:b0d7f920-0b46-49b8-8f0d-4963342276da">Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]WOW. Most of you have been so helpful! Some of you have not. I agree ... too much information and I'm the one who put it there. Trying to justify myself while "under fire", <strong>I guess. I honestly thought - in a forum like this - that everyone would be kind. </strong>Thank you to all of you who have offered great advice and suggestions, which is almost all of you. I appreciate that. I have never posted a conundrum like this online before, and honestly - some of the criticisms are shocking. I have to say, whether for this or any other issue - I will not do it again. <strong>Critical thinking means reading and listening to or observing facts</strong>. Too many subjective observations here to make me want to do this again. But a big THANK YOU to the ideas and suggestions offered. Signing off now. Carol in WI
    Posted by Hurt & Perplexed[/QUOTE]

    No one was unkind, just frank and these other posters were reading your posts, just not between the lines. They read your words, not your feelings.

    Unfortunate as your situation is, it's not someone's "fault" per say, it's just crappy. Your sister has made her own decisions regarding the passing of your parents and visiting you - it's not something you can change. You can't change her, not matter how much you wish and will it (I've leared from my own familial experience). As difficult as it is to see a family member who is well off refuse to extend themself in any way, shape or form in order to aid anoter family member, it's not your position to judge her for it. She does seem selfish,  but that's not something you can hold against her.

    It sucks, it does, you aren't wrong for hoping that she will finally do something to aid her family, but you cannot hold it against her if she doesn't.

    Send a nice card and a gift (if you choose) to your nephew, offer your cabin, and toast to the couple the evening of the wedding.
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  • I felt really awful for you OP from your first post, and responded kindly with what I thought was good advice.  Now after reading your other posts, you seem extremely judgemental, and frankly, I have a difficult time believing that you know all these details about your sister's life if you're not even that close.  How on earth would you know that her dog was so sick that she had to sit right next to it and feed it omlettes by hand?  I think you are twisting this story to paint your sister in a bad light.  I DO believe that things arent good between the two of you, and it sounds like she hasn't been as family focused and dedicated like you have, but that's your choice.  All the extra information about how horrible your sister is just makes you look bad too.

    What this comes down to is that she doesn't want to host you at her home, and that;s her choice.  Don't put youself into debt over this wedding.  Send a nice card with your regrets, and invite your nephew to come us your cabin.
  • Is there a reason why you can't use your FF miles to fly to the wedding?  I think that would be a better use of them than flying your nephew out to see you if the miles need to be used up soon.  Your nephew may not be able to travel to see you quickly enough, especially if they are using up a lot of time off from work for their wedding, so it seems like the miles might end up going to waste if that's how you plan to use them.
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nasty-family-mess-over-nephews-second-wedding-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:89004a1d-9c99-49e2-8873-aeec92dde340Post:58996980-e0b7-41f3-be9f-57ec24c0fcaf">Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Is there a reason why you can't use your FF miles to fly to the wedding?  I think that would be a better use of them than flying your nephew out to see you if the miles need to be used up soon.  Your nephew may not be able to travel to see you quickly enough, especially if they are using up a lot of time off from work for their wedding, so it seems like the miles might end up going to waste if that's how you plan to use them.
    Posted by jessicabessica[/QUOTE]

    <div>Right?  Something about this situation just doesn't add up to me.  I think the OP is just super pissed that her sister won't let her stay there, so has added all this baloney.  If I were your sister I wouldn't invite you to stay either.  Sorry.  When we got married we didn't invite anyone to stay with us even though we have an extra bedroom.  It's stressful to have to host people, even if you don't think it is.  </div>
  • I think it's ridiculous to stretch yourself and finances thin....so I think the monetary gift is a great idea...the plane tickets if you can afford....it seems that if you can't provide the tickets, they will still be able to fly to you....and your sister? Well I have nothing nice to say, so ill keep those comments
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  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nasty-family-mess-over-nephews-second-wedding-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:89004a1d-9c99-49e2-8873-aeec92dde340Post:58996980-e0b7-41f3-be9f-57ec24c0fcaf">Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Is there a reason why you can't use your FF miles to fly to the wedding?  I think that would be a better use of them than flying your nephew out to see you if the miles need to be used up soon.  Your nephew may not be able to travel to see you quickly enough, especially if they are using up a lot of time off from work for their wedding, so it seems like the miles might end up going to waste if that's how you plan to use them.
    Posted by jessicabessica[/QUOTE]



    I thought this too. Why not use the FF miles to go to the wedding and use the money you were going to use to get there on a hotel?
  • In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nasty-family-mess-over-nephews-second-wedding-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:89004a1d-9c99-49e2-8873-aeec92dde340Post:4f7e27d9-c4e2-4bf9-9945-4a13129cbb7a">Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]Sorry, if I said purchase plane tickets I forgot to state that we have frequent flyer miles that we are not using and are about to expire. I never knew they could "die of old age", but I earned them through Northwest Airlines when I was still working and they were transferred to Delta when Northwest went under. Delta will only honor them for so much longer.  Have begged my family for years to come for a stay at our cabin. They are all very outdoorsy. Several times per year I get texts from my sister telling me what a great time they are having on a fishing or horseback or rafting vacation in Colorado, Wyoming or Montana. I then ask her if they can stop here on their way home. Minneapolis/St. Paul Airport is an easy and usually free stop to add to a trip from the east coast out west, or back. They never have time, and the reason they don't plan it into their trips to begin with is always, "it was so last minute, I never even thought about it:" Putting all of this in writing has been very clarifying. It is hard to believe that I grew up in the same house with the same parents as this person. I think that I've been trying too hard for too long in the hopes that generosity of spirit will shine through eventually and that we can have a nice relationship. Given our differences in how we approach things, I don't think that is going to happen. Thanks for all your constructive comments. I've made up my mind. As much as I would have loved to be there, the scales are in favor of staying home. In Response to Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long) :
    Posted by Hurt & Perplexed[/QUOTE]
    So why exactly can't you use the miles to pay for your airfare to the wedding, and use the money you save on gas towards a hotel?



  • Honestly, OP, you sound exhausting and majorly into grudge-keeping.



  • I'm stuck at "she apologized for not getting me a Christmas gift so I suggested she make a donation to a charity in my name."

    You both sound simply delightful.
  • There's NO way I'd open my house to guests if I was the mother of the groom and also hosting my other son and his partner. Call me a jerk I guess.
  • RamonaFlowersRamonaFlowers member
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    Maybe your sister doesn't want to put you up because she doesn't like how you obviously judge her and her lifestyle. It's as good of a reason as any to not to allow somebody to stay in their own home.

    Again, regardless of how much money she has/you don't have, what you have/she hasn't done for your parents or how much space in her house is/is not being used at the time, she is in no way responsible for putting you up. You may not like it, but she still hasn't done anything wrong here.



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  • Because the wedding date is not finalized and the ff miles have to be scheduled or lost before September, when the wedding will be. Even if they are used to schedule flights for next year, that is OK but it has to be done in the next few weeks or they expire. I can't hardly book flights for a wedding that has no date yet, can I? 

    Finished explaining my life away. This topic is CLOSED.


    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_nasty-family-mess-over-nephews-second-wedding-long?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:89004a1d-9c99-49e2-8873-aeec92dde340Post:2e690757-664c-4b61-b83b-420301cc2ed4">Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long)</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nasty Family Mess Over Nephew's Second Wedding (long) : So why exactly can't you use the miles to pay for your airfare to the wedding, and use the money you save on gas towards a hotel?
    Posted by Viczaesar[/QUOTE]
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