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Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony?

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  • MissMandeyMissMandey
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    ugh, whatever. I don't fight online.

    From what little I have read, doctors are going to be getting the raw end of this deal, as are people who pay their private insurance. How is it fair to penalize people who take care of their own stuff?

    i thought that when I was a broke ass college kid, and I never expected a handout from America. I think the same now that I am a professional. i don't think that makes me a bad person to take care of myself and want others to work and do the same.

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  • betrothed123betrothed123
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    [QUOTE]I also think that if more people took private health insurance as seriously as their car payment or cell phone, then yes, you probably can afford it.  Or figure out a way to fit it in your budget.
    Posted by AlexiaANDRobert[/QUOTE]
    Exactly.  I don't make a ton of money by any stretch of the imagination, but I make sure that I have health insurance because I have health problems.  It is not an option to me.  If it came down to it and I had to choose between my cell phone and my health insurance, my cell phone would be gone.  No questions asked.  It's a priority so I make sure I have it.  People need to start taking responsibility for themselves and stop allowing the government to take everything over.

    Also I'm not a fan of the legislation they had to add in to get it to pass, such as the stuff regarding student loans.
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  • RachNRichRachNRich member
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? :<strong> We are not going to have many doctors if we all start thinking this way..</strong>. I agree Rach that $20k for 5 nights is insane - positively insane.  But just the other day I read an article about a doctor in some mid-west state who charges between $5 and $20 a visit for his services.  That's all his business makes, up to $20 a patient.  So he sees 20 people a day, that's $400 in his pocket?  Not exactly, he has to pay for the secretary, the nurses, the electricity, etc. etc.  I realize not all doctors are like this, but we shouldn't generalize so badly.  Stereotypes aren't always true across the board. 
    Posted by ZoeTheDog[/QUOTE]

    Thinking what way? Thinking that the reason someone should be a doctor should have nothing to do with how quickly they can repay their student loans that THEY incurred? How wonderfully ethical of them; who cares about the actual job, so long as we can hike up the cost of something (let's be honest, a hospital stay should not cost that much---why the need for it to be then if not to pay the ridiculous mark up of insurance companies and doctors) and make a profit.
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  • MissMandeyMissMandey
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    you don't know andrew or me.

    He loves his patients. He always cares, but you don't work that many hours a week and not want to be paid. I just don't think that's realistic. They're not saints. they're people with lives outside of their work.

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  • RachNRichRachNRich member
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : Which is exactly my point. Either way, this family is totally screwed whether they pay for insurance or not. What would you suggest this family do? Pay the $1500 a month for insurance (which they can't really afford), or pay the $50k bill when their son breaks his leg?
    Posted by btrflykate1230[/QUOTE]

    Well, I would rather not play Russion Roulette like that. But, then again, I like to take prevantive measures towards my health...and finding the money to pay for my insurance is one of them. I make next to nothing, and my insurance costs do eat up well over 25% of my income, but....it's more than worth it, to me anyways.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_anyone-else-watching-signing-ceremony?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:d50fa7cd-f133-4de1-a0c2-ad26cd70957cPost:79c6af7f-186e-4a24-b7fe-00b5254c2625">Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony?</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : Well, I would rather not play Russion Roulette like that. But, then again, I like to take prevantive measures towards my health...and finding the money to pay for my insurance is one of them. I make next to nothing, and <strong>my insurance costs do eat up well over 25% of my income</strong>, but....it's more than worth it, to me anyways.
    Posted by RachNRich[/QUOTE]

    Holy crap! That really blows. I would totally get the insurance too, but man. I'm so sorry. That's really shitty.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : Well, I would rather not play Russion Roulette like that. But, then again, I like to take prevantive measures towards my health...and finding the money to pay for my insurance is one of them. I make next to nothing, and my insurance costs do eat up well over 25% of my income, but....it's more than worth it, to me anyways.
    Posted by RachNRich[/QUOTE]

    This. 

    Yeah, money comes out of my paycheck all the time, and it sucks, and I'd love to have it.  But I also would love to not be homeless if I need surgery, or break a limb. 
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  • RachNRichRachNRich member
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    [QUOTE]I just wouldn't become anything because I loved it. I love to write poetry. I love to sleep in. I love to do a lot of things, but none of those things support my living. I am a hydraulic engineer. I do not love it. I never loved it. but I don't hate it and it pays the bills. that, in my opinion, is what a job is about...supporting your life to facilitate doing the things you love. and andrew does love his job as a doctor. but he also deserves to be paid. <strong>i don't think he is wrong for wanting and expecting just compensation.</strong>
    Posted by MissMandey[/QUOTE]

    Noone ever said there was anything wrong with JUST compensation--assuming the compensation is, in fact, JUST. What doctors and insurance companies charge for some of their services? <strong>NOT JUST.</strong> There is no way to justify $20,000 for staying in a hospital for 5 nights. Not a single thing. And that $20,000 bill does not include anything aside from room and board---that is not just; it just isn't.

    So yes, he deserves to get paid for what he does. So does everyone else. But nothing entitles him to large sums of money just <em>because </em>they can charge it.
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  • aggiebugaggiebug member
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : This statement makes me sick. No one told your husband he had to be a doctor, nor did they push him into debt to become one. That was his choice. Sick people shouldn't have to bend over and take it just to pay off your husbands "choice." The amount of money doctors/hospitals charge for things is out of this world. I'd gladly scan some of my insurance claims just for you all to see---arbitrary amounts. Random amounts of money for tests. When health care is private---it turns into a monopoly, where they can charge what they want. Seriously---$20,000 to stay 5 nights in a hospital? It doesn't even begin to make sense.
    Posted by RachNRich[/QUOTE]

    WHO is going to take care of the sick when they can't afford to live?    The reason their prices are outrageoulsy high is to cover their costs.  Annual liability insurance for an idividual Dr is high than the most incomes.



    I think a hospital should disclose how much it costs to keep its doors open for 1 day, I am just talking salaries, electricity, insurance etc.   <strong>Did you know for an average hospital to be in the black on a given day they can only have 8 open beds? </strong>


    I think most everyone agrees reform is needed but taxing me to pay for others is not changing the system its just putting more money into an already trouble ridden system. 
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  • kkchisholmkkchisholm
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    I also think that if more people took private health insurance as seriously as their car payment or cell phone, then yes, you probably can afford it.  Or figure out a way to fit it in your budget.
    Posted by AlexiaANDRobert

    My dad pays 750 a month for him, mom, me and sister. And that is ONLY catestrophic insurance.. There is a 10,000 dollar deductible.  It doesn't cover office visits, blood test, ultrsounds, x-rays etc.

    Good quality healthcare is not that easy to fit into ones budget.
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  • RachNRichRachNRich member
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : Holy crap! That really blows. I would totally get the insurance too, but man. I'm so sorry. That's really shitty.
    Posted by btrflykate1230[/QUOTE]

    Even if it cost 50% of my income, I'd do it. But, I'm biased...my medical bills make it worth it to me. And, because I work for a medical university, they cover everything at 100%. So, it more than worth it...
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : Agreed definitely...but I work in healthcare.  I staff hospitals.  I know how much my nurses, techs, SLP's, PT's, OT's, COTA's, etc all make, and I know how much the hospitals pay just to get their staff up to par.  $20k for 5 days most likely doesn't go to the doctor. 
    Posted by ZoeTheDog[/QUOTE]

    Oh, trust me, I am aware of that---but, it was the only specific number figure I could remember off the top of my head for my medical bills---a specific number that I find ludicrous.

    I can't begin to pretend to understand why the cost of everything medically related is as costly as it is, I can just presume that there is undoubted inflation---and something could be done to reduce the costs.
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    Hillary, not everyone in the US is literate. Our literacy rate is something less than 80%. And that's functionally literate, not just people who read novels in their spare time. Like, people who can read well enough to follow instructions and signs. How is one supposed to get a well-paying job or a college education if one cannot read?
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  • goheels05goheels05
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    I'm sorry, we were talking about the health care bill.  Smile

    Health care isn't expensive because greedy doctors are padding their wallets.  Health care is expensive for a lot of reasons:

    1.  Malpractice insurance
    2.  People going to the ER for non-emergencies
    3.  Unnecessary procedures being pushed on people who have insurance
    4.  Insurance companies demanding discounts and write-offs from doctors while the uninsured pay full price.

    What we need is a bill that addresses the above issues rather than making taxpayers blindly pay whatever is demanded. 
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  • aggiebugaggiebug member
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    But Rach pay for those overhaed costs is rolled into every charge on your bill not just the room bill.
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    [QUOTE]I'm sorry, we were talking about the health care bill.  Health care isn't expensive because greedy doctors are padding their wallets.  Health care is expensive for a lot of reasons: 1.  Malpractice insurance 2.  People going to the ER for non-emergencies 3.  Unnecessary procedures being pushed on people who have insurance 4.  Insurance companies demanding discounts and write-offs from doctors while the uninsured pay full price. What we need is a bill that addresses the above issues rather than making taxpayers blindly pay whatever is demanded. 
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_anyone-else-watching-signing-ceremony?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:d50fa7cd-f133-4de1-a0c2-ad26cd70957cPost:434b923a-7da8-4560-b115-89c5425cecde">Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm sorry, we were talking about the health care bill.  Health care isn't expensive because greedy doctors are padding their wallets.  Health care is expensive for a lot of reasons: 1.  Malpractice insurance 2.  People going to the ER for non-emergencies 3.  Unnecessary procedures being pushed on people who have insurance 4.  Insurance companies demanding discounts and write-offs from doctors while the uninsured pay full price. What we need is a bill that addresses the above issues rather than making taxpayers blindly pay whatever is demanded. 
    Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]
    Heels, my girl crush on you grows nearly every time you post.
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    And betrothed, I'm disgusted with most of the comments that you have posted. I don't think I've ever read such judgmental comments in my life. I'm so lucky that the girls I speak to on theknot are nothing like you...I would've never come on here for ADVICE if I would've encountered a big a bitch as you. I genuinely feel awful for your children or your future children, and I think it would be irresponsible of YOU not to invest in their future therapy sessions starting now. Because trust me when I tell you honey, they're gonna need it. ~jcaruncho2010
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  • RachNRichRachNRich member
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    [QUOTE]I<strong>Yes, we do all have the same opportunities.  Making excuses is what got us here.  Our country has free and compulsory education.  </strong>
    Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

    We do not all have the same opportunities. The rest of your post indicated that you came from a less than priviledge background, yet still made a name for yourself. Which, in my opinion, indicates that you did not have the same opportunities as, for instance, the children of the women from the Real Housewifes of New York, who  have the opportunity (because of their wealthy upbringing) to attend a top-notch private school for their k-12 education.

    While your <em>outcome </em>may be the same as someone else, that does not mean your <em>opportunities </em>were the same.
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_anyone-else-watching-signing-ceremony?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:d50fa7cd-f133-4de1-a0c2-ad26cd70957cPost:434b923a-7da8-4560-b115-89c5425cecde">Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony?</a>:
    [QUOTE]I'm sorry, we were talking about the health care bill.  Health care isn't expensive because greedy doctors are padding their wallets.  Health care is expensive for a lot of reasons: 1.  Malpractice insurance <strong>But why is this?</strong> 2.  People going to the ER for non-emergencies <strong>Again, why are people going to the ER? Perhaps it is because they don't have insurance, and thus do not have a primary care doctor (but, I agree with you)</strong>3.  Unnecessary procedures being pushed on people who have insurance  <strong>I definitely agree with this...but again, why is this happening if someone out there isn't itching for a payout? </strong>4.  Insurance companies demanding discounts and write-offs from doctors while the uninsured pay full price. What we need is a bill that addresses the above issues rather than making taxpayers blindly pay whatever is demanded. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : Heels, I think I love you.
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    Me. Too. 

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : We do not all have the same opportunities. The rest of your post indicated that you came from a less than priviledge background, yet still made a name for yourself. Which, in my opinion, indicates that you did not have the same opportunities as, for instance, the children of the women from the Real Housewifes of New York, who  have the opportunity (because of their wealthy upbringing) to attend a top-notch private school for their k-12 education. <strong>While your outcome may be the same as someone else, that does not mean your opportunities were the same.</strong>
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    I agree with this.
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    Heels, I agree with those problems in our health care system. I think certain things do still need to be addressed. However, I think if more people have insurance, less people will go to the emergency room for non-emergencies, or wait until they NEED to go to the emergency room, since they'll have more preventative care and a relationship with a primary care physician.

    Also, you are very intelligent and I assume your brother is as well. What if one of you had a learning diability as a child, or was not smart enough to do well in school and get those scholarships? Not everyone can be in the smartest 10% because... well, only 10% of people can, you know?
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    [QUOTE] I'm sorry, we were talking about the health care bill.  Health care isn't expensive because greedy doctors are padding their wallets.  Health care is expensive for a lot of reasons: 1.  Malpractice insurance <strong>But why is this?</strong> 2.  People going to the ER for non-emergencies <strong>Again, why are people going to the ER? Perhaps it is because they don't have insurance, and thus do not have a primary care doctor (but, I agree with you)</strong>3.  Unnecessary procedures being pushed on people who have insurance  <strong>I definitely agree with this...but again, why is this happening if someone out there isn't itching for a payout? </strong>4.  Insurance companies demanding discounts and write-offs from doctors while the uninsured pay full price. What we need is a bill that addresses the above issues rather than making taxpayers blindly pay whatever is demanded. 
    Posted by goheels05 [/QUOTE]

    So how does the current bill address the issues we seem to all agree are actually creating the problem?  It doesn't, and is in no way a step toward solving these issues.
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  • goheels05goheels05
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    My brother is LD and had a speech disability.  He got assitance through free programs offered by the public school system.  And I'm hardly smart, just very hardworking.  Or at least, I was when I had to be!
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  • RachNRichRachNRich member
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    [QUOTE]So how does the current bill address the issues we seem to all agree are actually creating the problem?  It doesn't, and is in no way a step toward solving these issues.
    Posted by betrothed123[/QUOTE]

    I don't know that the current bill <strong><em>doesn't </em></strong>address these issues, simple because (as I mentioned very early on in this thread) I haven't the time nor the patience to actually read the bill! (so, it could address these issues...but, until I read the bill, I don't know).
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  • goheels05goheels05
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    Yeah, what I'm saying is, the health care bill needs to be addressing THOSE issues before making people buy insurance.  They are putting the cart before the horse by saying "you must buy this health insurance even though it's broken.  We'll fix it later."  It should be the other way around. 
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  • kkchisholmkkchisholm
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    In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_anyone-else-watching-signing-ceremony?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:d50fa7cd-f133-4de1-a0c2-ad26cd70957cPost:78f06f39-df9e-4ab1-ad51-ebfb982d5cd9">Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony?</a>:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone else watching the Signing Ceremony? : We do not all have the same opportunities. The rest of your post indicated that you came from a less than priviledge background, yet still made a name for yourself. Which, in my opinion, indicates that you did not have the same opportunities as, for instance, the children of the women from the Real Housewifes of New York, who  have the opportunity (because of their wealthy upbringing) to attend a top-notch private school for their k-12 education. While your outcome may be the same as someone else, that does not mean your opportunities were the same.
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    I agree we do not not not not all have the same opportunities. AT ALL. The kids living in inner cities who get second hand, out of dated textbooks from the rich suburban neighborhoods do not have the same opportunies.  Yes some people do in deed "pull themselves up from their bootstraps" but that does not mean they have the same apportunities.
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  • AlexiaANDRobertAlexiaANDRobert
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    And regardless, you're still going to have people that abuse the system.

    I know a girl who is having her 2nd child with a guy that she's been engaged to for 2 years.  They won't get married, or keep postponing the wedding, because they get gov't assistance for her to have the kids as a single parent.
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  • goheels05goheels05
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    Well, we can argue semantics, but I believe my point still stands.  We all face our own challenges, and no one said life would be easy. 
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